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Re: World Politics

27 May 2017 23:04

....and speakin' of weird....or maybe not so weird....which to some screams volumes....

Two months after the alleged chemical attack on Khan Sheikhoun in Syria and the US cruise missile strike on Al-Shayrat air base from where the alleged chemical attack was allegedly launched, the OPCW investigators charged with investigating the alleged chemical attack have failed to inspect either location
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....and just to drive a huge nail thru this and pin it to an appropriate door....

......the failure of the OPCW inspectors to inspect either location meant that the investigation of the Khan Sheikhoun attack had effectively collapsed even before it started.

Needless to say it is a basic principle of any criminal investigation – which is what this investigation essentially is – that the investigators inspect the crime scene and any other locations related to it. The fact that the inspectors in this case have not even attempted to discharge this basic task shows that they are not really interested in carrying out an investigation at all.

This is the inevitable consequence of the President of the United States and of Western governments making a pronouncement of the Syrian government’s guilt before any investigation of the Khan Sheikhoun incident had taken place. That inevitably was going to prejudice the conduct of the investigation, with the result that we now see.

What that means is that when the investigation eventually reports its findings they will carry no authority, and will be rejected with good cause by those who dispute its conclusions
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https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2017/05/26/russia-fumes-as-opcw-investigators-fail-to-inspect-khan-sheikhoun-or-al-shayrat-air-base/

....so it seems the "proof" now hinges on the word of terrorist proxies wearing white helmets and supported by some pajama clad blogger in a basement in Coventry.....

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29 May 2017 05:36

Nice conclusion you make. Did those 'white helmets' collect samples on behalf of the French and other teams finding that sarin or sarin-like substances were used? Strangely, I see only Russian news reports (25/05) saying that all conditions are now good for the OPCW to visit. One day later, your story was posted. So clearly, yes, it's time to draw far-sweeping conclusions.
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29 May 2017 12:33

Jagartrott wrote:Nice conclusion you make. Did those 'white helmets' collect samples on behalf of the French and other teams finding that sarin or sarin-like substances were used? Strangely, I see only Russian news reports (25/05) saying that all conditions are now good for the OPCW to visit. One day later, your story was posted. So clearly, yes, it's time to draw far-sweeping conclusions.


....excellent question....so do you know who supplied the samples that the French purportedly tested....?.....and which other teams exactly....?.....

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29 May 2017 16:05

...following up on my immediate impressions of the just ended live press-conference btwn vlad and macron.

1st off, the setting was a bit unusual b/c macron in a special rare gesture for a foreign visitor held the meet in Versailles.

the content or the progress in the talks was hard to measure, b/c both talked in generalities and motherhoods.

i only was left with interpreting their faces and intonations. vlad was tense and very serious even biting his lips once or twice. as if he was under great pressure. macron, otoh, was sounding as if he enjoyed himself. when asked about the le pen visit to moscow, he refused to comment. when asked why he did not allow the rt and sputnik reporters at one of his electoral events, he bluntly called them 'spreaders of false information'. said the sanction may be enhanced if needed, to which vlad said - somewhat besides the point - it wont help anything.
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Re: World Politics

30 May 2017 12:08

....file under application of Merikan exceptionalism, uber class....and given the broad support of this legislation kinda neatly dispenses with the thin dime eh....

Russia Calls House Bill an “Act of War.” Will the Senate Block H.R. 1644?


What caught the eye of Russian critics was Section 104, the part of the bill that presumed to grant the US “inspection authorities” over shipping ports (and major airports) far beyond the Korean Peninsula – specifically, ports in China, Russia, Syria, and Iran. The bill identifies more than 20 foreign targets, including: two ports in China (Dandong and Dalian and “any other port in the People’s Republic of China that the President deems appropriate”); ten ports in Iran (Abadan, Bandar-e-Abbas, Chabahar, Bandar-e-Khomeini, Bushehr Port, Asaluyeh Port, Kish, Kharg Island, Bandar-e-Lenge, Khorramshahr, and the Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airport); four facilities in Syria (the ports at Latakia, Banias, Tartous and the Damascus International Airport) and; three ports in Russia (Nakhodka, Vanino, and Vladivostok). Under the proposed law, the US Secretary of Homeland Security could use the National Targeting Center’s Automated Targeting System to search any ship, plane, or conveyance that has “entered the territory, waters, or airspace of North Korea, or landed in any of the sea ports or airports of North Korea.” Any vessel, aircraft, or vehicle found in violation of this US law would be subject to “seizure and forfeiture.” House Bill Raises a Red Flag for Russia

“I hope [this bill] will never be implemented,” Kosachev told Sputnik News, “because its implementation envisions a scenario of power with forced inspections of all vessels by US warships. Such a power scenario is beyond comprehension, because it means a declaration of war.”

Russian officials were understandably outraged by Congress’ imperious move to extend the US military’s authority to include surveillance of sovereign ports in the Russian Far East. Russia’s Upper House heatedly noted that such actions constitute a violation of international law that was tantamount to a declaration of war.

“No country in the world, and no international organization, has authorized the US to monitor implementation of any resolutions of the UN Security Council,” Kosachev observed. He accused Washington of attempting to “affirm the supremacy of its own legislation over international law,” an example of US “exceptionalism” that he claimed constitutes “the main problem of present-day international relations.”

Kosachev’s Upper House colleague, Alexey Pushkov, underscored this concern. “It is absolutely unclear how the bill will be implemented,” Pushkov stated. “To control Russian ports, the US will have to introduce a blockade and inspect all ships, which amounts to an act of war.” Pushkov argued that the lopsided 419-1 vote “indicates the nature of the legal and political culture of the US Congress.”


http://worldbeyondwar.org/russia-calls-house-bill-act-war-will-senate-block-h-r-1644/

....one can only hope there are enough adults in the Senate to derail this rank stupidity...

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31 May 2017 12:32

blutto wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Nice conclusion you make. Did those 'white helmets' collect samples on behalf of the French and other teams finding that sarin or sarin-like substances were used? Strangely, I see only Russian news reports (25/05) saying that all conditions are now good for the OPCW to visit. One day later, your story was posted. So clearly, yes, it's time to draw far-sweeping conclusions.


....excellent question....so do you know who supplied the samples that the French purportedly tested....?.....and which other teams exactly....?.....

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....hmmm.....seems we have a plague of crickets descending on parts of this thread.....

....and oh here is something that may trip up the generally accepted narratives being pedaled by the MSM's and their fellow travellers as undisputed truer than true fact.....

Those few left to die for the cause in Mosul pose a different problem. Documents found at Mosul University detailed a crude chemical weapons program, developed in loco, including experiments with nerve agents on prisoners. One needs specialists to conduct such experiments – and many may be Westerners. Where are they? They have been smuggled deep inside the middle of nowhere "Syraq" desert between Deir Ezzor and al-Qaim
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https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201705251053969840-daesh-west-stench-of-death/

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31 May 2017 16:42

blutto wrote:
blutto wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Nice conclusion you make. Did those 'white helmets' collect samples on behalf of the French and other teams finding that sarin or sarin-like substances were used? Strangely, I see only Russian news reports (25/05) saying that all conditions are now good for the OPCW to visit. One day later, your story was posted. So clearly, yes, it's time to draw far-sweeping conclusions.


....excellent question....so do you know who supplied the samples that the French purportedly tested....?.....and which other teams exactly....?.....

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....hmmm.....seems we have a plague of crickets descending on parts of this thread.....

....and oh here is something that may trip up the generally accepted narratives being pedaled by the MSM's and their fellow travellers as undisputed truer than true fact.....

Those few left to die for the cause in Mosul pose a different problem. Documents found at Mosul University detailed a crude chemical weapons program, developed in loco, including experiments with nerve agents on prisoners. One needs specialists to conduct such experiments – and many may be Westerners. Where are they? They have been smuggled deep inside the middle of nowhere "Syraq" desert between Deir Ezzor and al-Qaim
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https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201705251053969840-daesh-west-stench-of-death/

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Ask the French secret service, because I don't know. Room for all kinds of possible conspiracy theories, surely.

Meanwhile, you go on about 'MSM', but on the other hand see no contradiction in then posting stories from Sputniknews or other news outlets heavily linked to the Russian government, who have a very, very clear stake in Syria and the sarin saga. Strange.
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Re: Re:

31 May 2017 16:58

Jagartrott wrote:
blutto wrote:
blutto wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Nice conclusion you make. Did those 'white helmets' collect samples on behalf of the French and other teams finding that sarin or sarin-like substances were used? Strangely, I see only Russian news reports (25/05) saying that all conditions are now good for the OPCW to visit. One day later, your story was posted. So clearly, yes, it's time to draw far-sweeping conclusions.


....excellent question....so do you know who supplied the samples that the French purportedly tested....?.....and which other teams exactly....?.....

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....hmmm.....seems we have a plague of crickets descending on parts of this thread.....

....and oh here is something that may trip up the generally accepted narratives being pedaled by the MSM's and their fellow travellers as undisputed truer than true fact.....

Those few left to die for the cause in Mosul pose a different problem. Documents found at Mosul University detailed a crude chemical weapons program, developed in loco, including experiments with nerve agents on prisoners. One needs specialists to conduct such experiments – and many may be Westerners. Where are they? They have been smuggled deep inside the middle of nowhere "Syraq" desert between Deir Ezzor and al-Qaim
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https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201705251053969840-daesh-west-stench-of-death/

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Ask the French secret service, because I don't know. Room for all kinds of possible conspiracy theories, surely.

Meanwhile, you go on about 'MSM', but on the other hand see no contradiction in then posting stories from Sputniknews or other news outlets heavily linked to the Russian government, who have a very, very clear stake in Syria and the sarin saga. Strange.


....so you don't have a clue on either point....ok....no surprise....

...yeah starting with the crap you're peddling....

....as for that article....it was by Pepe Escobar, and will compare his record with you or the rags you rely on for the gossip and innuendo you think is news anytime....read, he has been a very reliable source for a very long time....and I have this thing about working with reliable sources, weird eh....

....and oh the West/French don't have "a very clear stake"....oh please, cry me a river.....

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Re: Re:

31 May 2017 17:32

blutto wrote:....and oh the West/French don't have "a very clear stake"....oh please, cry me a river.....

That was exactly the point.
People that think they are critical, are often only critical in one direction.

Gossip and innuendo, good one :D
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31 May 2017 20:31

brilliant. the British home Secretary has decided it's fine to sell arms to 22 out of 30 of the countries on the human rights blacklist because it's good for business. those Yemeni kids agree.
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Re: Re:

31 May 2017 22:19

Jagartrott wrote:
blutto wrote:....and oh the West/French don't have "a very clear stake"....oh please, cry me a river.....

That was exactly the point.
People that think they are critical, are often only critical in one direction.

Gossip and innuendo, good one :D


...would love to look at the study you based that on...or did you come up with that all on your own, like drawing from your own experience....?.....

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Re: World Politics

02 Jun 2017 13:13

....don't know exactly how to take this but well worth a read....this guy pays on a bigger chess board than mine and while I see his points as valuable still not grokking all the possible permutations....may be something for python to play with , hint hint....all I know not comfortable with the big picture outcome here ( like the last such undertaking worked out so well for everyone )...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/02/jihad-2-0-the-making-of-the-next-nightmare/

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Re: World Politics

03 Jun 2017 10:07

blutto wrote:....don't know exactly how to take this but well worth a read....this guy pays on a bigger chess board than mine and while I see his points as valuable still not grokking all the possible permutations....may be something for python to play with , hint hint....all I know not comfortable with the big picture outcome here ( like the last such undertaking worked out so well for everyone )...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/02/jihad-2-0-the-making-of-the-next-nightmare/

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you're right, was not easy to follow pepe...if i am awake now - and i should be since i just finished my 2nd espresso - he is basically pointing at muslim albania (and the numerous albanian minorities in the balkans) fast becoming a jihad hub in the very heart of europe. the implication, though not expressed as articulately as pepe usually does, is that the west-incubated 'good muslims', like say previously in afghanistan, after getting done with those they oppose , may turn on their creators.

then, the mess in the heart of europe could be immeasurably worse...
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Re: World Politics

03 Jun 2017 10:28

python wrote:
blutto wrote:....don't know exactly how to take this but well worth a read....this guy pays on a bigger chess board than mine and while I see his points as valuable still not grokking all the possible permutations....may be something for python to play with , hint hint....all I know not comfortable with the big picture outcome here ( like the last such undertaking worked out so well for everyone )...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/02/jihad-2-0-the-making-of-the-next-nightmare/

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you're right, was not easy to follow pepe...if i am awake now - and i should be since i just finished my 2nd espresso - he is basically pointing at muslim albania (and the numerous albanian minorities in the balkans) fast becoming a jihad hub in the very heart of europe. the implication, though not expressed as articulately as pepe usually does, is that the west-incubated 'good muslims', like say previously in afghanistan, after getting done with those they oppose , may turn on their creators.

then, the mess in the heart of europe could be immeasurably worse...


....thanks for that...confirms my reading of the piece....so who do you think will benefit ?....sorry dumb question....so how do you think they will go about realizing that benefit ?....

....btw liked that Pepe made reference to the fact Kosovo is a major crime hub ( one that was required, according to some sources, to transport agricultural produce from Afghanistan to Europe and beyond )....so to regurgitate , uhhh, " someone " came up with an appropriate casus belli, mass graves that were WMD-like never found, and got themselves a location for the largest military base in Europe, access to significant mineral deposits and a huge coal field, and a path needed to help their poor Afghani farmer friends get their farm produce to market....win win win eh....hint, it wasn't the Russians....

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Re: World Politics

03 Jun 2017 11:14

blutto wrote:
python wrote:
blutto wrote:....don't know exactly how to take this but well worth a read....this guy pays on a bigger chess board than mine and while I see his points as valuable still not grokking all the possible permutations....may be something for python to play with , hint hint....all I know not comfortable with the big picture outcome here ( like the last such undertaking worked out so well for everyone )...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/02/jihad-2-0-the-making-of-the-next-nightmare/

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you're right, was not easy to follow pepe...if i am awake now - and i should be since i just finished my 2nd espresso - he is basically pointing at muslim albania (and the numerous albanian minorities in the balkans) fast becoming a jihad hub in the very heart of europe. the implication, though not expressed as articulately as pepe usually does, is that the west-incubated 'good muslims', like say previously in afghanistan, after getting done with those they oppose , may turn on their creators.

then, the mess in the heart of europe could be immeasurably worse...


....thanks for that...confirms my reading of the piece....so who do you think will benefit ?....sorry dumb question....so how do you think they will go about realizing that benefit ?....

....btw liked that Pepe made reference to the fact Kosovo is a major crime hub ( one that was required, according to some sources, to transport agricultural produce from Afghanistan to Europe and beyond )....so to regurgitate , uhhh, " someone " came up with an appropriate casus belli, mass graves that were WMD-like never found, and got themselves a location for the largest military base in Europe, access to significant mineral deposits and a huge coal field, and a path needed to help their poor Afghani farmer friends get their farm produce to market....win win win eh....hint, it wasn't the Russians....

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The US has been supporting Albanians in both Macedonia and Serbia since Yugoslavia broke apart in the early 90's. They want ethnic Albanians to have as much influence in the Balkans as possible. US or Canadian media may not be covering this much these days, but you can bet your house things are happening there that are very worrisome. There aren't any armed conflicts, but politically this could blow up at any time. The leading government in Macedonia is essentially being pressured to give Albanians anything they ask, if the don't, the US immediately interferes and asks 'why didn't you give them what they asked for?' The American ambassador to Macedonia is a key player there. Instead of being a neutral player, he is telling the Macedonians how to run their country. Not long ago this exact scenario played out in Serbia. Drug smuggling is another issue.
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Re: World Politics

04 Jun 2017 11:39

blutto wrote:
python wrote:
blutto wrote:....don't know exactly how to take this but well worth a read....this guy pays on a bigger chess board than mine and while I see his points as valuable still not grokking all the possible permutations....may be something for python to play with , hint hint....all I know not comfortable with the big picture outcome here ( like the last such undertaking worked out so well for everyone )...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/02/jihad-2-0-the-making-of-the-next-nightmare/

Cheers

you're right, was not easy to follow pepe...if i am awake now - and i should be since i just finished my 2nd espresso - he is basically pointing at muslim albania (and the numerous albanian minorities in the balkans) fast becoming a jihad hub in the very heart of europe. the implication, though not expressed as articulately as pepe usually does, is that the west-incubated 'good muslims', like say previously in afghanistan, after getting done with those they oppose , may turn on their creators.

then, the mess in the heart of europe could be immeasurably worse...


....thanks for that...confirms my reading of the piece....so who do you think will benefit ?....sorry dumb question....so how do you think they will go about realizing that benefit ?....

....btw liked that Pepe made reference to the fact Kosovo is a major crime hub ( one that was required, according to some sources, to transport agricultural produce from Afghanistan to Europe and beyond )....so to regurgitate , uhhh, " someone " came up with an appropriate casus belli, mass graves that were WMD-like never found, and got themselves a location for the largest military base in Europe, access to significant mineral deposits and a huge coal field, and a path needed to help their poor Afghani farmer friends get their farm produce to market....win win win eh....hint, it wasn't the Russians....

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i wish i knew more about the balkans...unfortunately, i dont follow the region as closely as say the middle east or eastern europe. the limited based knowledge though still does not prevent me from fearing the trouble brewing in the balkans...and it is not only the 'good local muslims' that worry me.

there are now 6, if memory serves, six balkan countries that aspire to join the eu..it seems they are no closer to a full fledged membership than 15 years ago when the process was launched. it's hard to point one reason WHY it is taking so long. my hunch is that the eu heavyweights like germany only interested in as little as possible attention to the region aiming at keeping it war-free as opposed to prosperous and democratic...regardless, such an unfulfilled expectation and even a disappointment among many balkanians cant but lead to re-emergence and sharpening of the old ethnic and religious rivalries..that's where the the us, the well known political 'vacuum filler' comes into the picture with its own geopolitical goals which are - spreading its military via the nato as wide as possible and containing russia anywhere it still kept a finger in. perhaps containing china (and possibly turkey) is a goal too. in one word, instead of a sluggish and limited yet peace-keeping objective of the eu the americans, as ever, are out to make and look after their new friends. at the moment it is muslim albania and the numerous albanians all over the balkans..the 'bad guys' to contain are the serbians in sebia and elsewhere in the balkans.

where will it end ? i hope not but will not be surprised if a new armed conflict ensues following a stated goal of albania and kosovo to unite in one state...

the balkans are ALWAYS smoldering... :mad:
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Re: World Politics

04 Jun 2017 12:57

The Manchester Bombing as Blowback: The Latest Evidence

The evidence suggests that the barbaric Manchester bombing, which killed 22 innocent people on May 22nd, is a case of blowback on British citizens arising at least partly from the overt and covert actions of British governments. The British state therefore has a serious case to answer. We focus primarily here on UK policies towards Libya but also touch on some of those related to Iraq and Syria.

Summary

In summary, the evidence so far shows that there are six inter-related aspects of blowback:
1. Salman Abedi and his father were members of a Libyan dissident group – the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) – covertly supported by the UK to assassinate Qadafi in 1996. At this time, the LIFG was an affiliate of Osama Bin Laden’s al-Qaeda and LIFG leaders had various connections to this terror network.
2. Members of the LIFG were facilitated by the British ‘security services’ to travel to Libya to fight Qadafi in 2011. Both Salman Abedi and his father, Ramadan, were among those who travelled to fight at this time (although there is no evidence that their travel was personally facilitated or encouraged by the security services).
3. A large number of LIFG fighters in Libya in 2011 had earlier fought alongside the Islamic State of Iraq – the al-Qaeda entity which later established a presence in Syria and became the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). These fighters were among those recruited into the British-backed anti-Qadafi rebellion.
4. UK covert action in Libya in 2011 included approval of and support to Qatar’s arming and backing of opposition forces, which included support to hardline Islamist groups; this fuelled jihadism in Libya.
5. One of the groups armed/supported by Qatar in 2011 was the February 17th Martyrs Brigade which, some reports suggest, was the organisation which Ramadan Abedi joined in 2011 to fight Qadafi.
6. Qatar’s arms supplies to Libya in 2011 also found their way to Islamist fighters in Syria, including groups affiliated with al-Qaeda and ISIS.

Conclusions

The evidence points to the LIFG being seen by the UK as a proxy militia to promote its foreign policy objectives. Whitehall also saw Qatar as a proxy to provide boots on the ground in Libya in 2011, even as it empowered hardline Islamist groups.

Both David Cameron, then Prime Minister, and Theresa May – who was Home Secretary in 2011 when Libyan radicals were encouraged to fight Qadafi – clearly have serious questions to answer. We believe an independent public enquiry is urgently needed.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47179.htm

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04 Jun 2017 14:09

This doesn't even mention that the LIFG are a registered terrorist group in the uk, and that Abedi has been known to the security services already: it was a disappointingly large failure to stop this (edit: this isn't supposed to be criticising the article, by the way, although I realise know it may sound like thay. I am trying to emphasise how the government really should've stopped it).


Yesterday London as well. It's awful, beyond words. I don't live in a large city but in a much more rural area so I don't know how the feeling is in larger cities, if there is a palpable sense of fear or anything. It would be very understandable if there was. There are no details on the attackers or anything yet, and trust the British police (one of the best in the western world I think usually) to make sure that everyone involved is brought to heel. However, I want to criticise drumpf for disrespecting Londoners and attack. First, he misquoted Sadiq Khan seemingly to settle a score with him. Then he used it to defend his travel ban, when as of now there are no details of the attackers. And finally he somehow made this into an attack on gun control. This isn't how a president of any country should act immediately after an attack on amother country, ally or otherwise. It isn't kind or pleasant, especially when details are still hazy. I would like him to refrain from such comments until the facts are clear about what has happened and we can have a reasoned debate and discussion about what is the best way to stop this senseless and nihilistic and murderous lunacy. These people have no place in this country, or any; but nobody is helped by the comments like the ones which the US president has made.

But something has to be done, no more of this #prayfor... bs. That has been clear for a long time, but nothing has ever been done. I don't know what exactly as I am not an expert in counter-terrorism measures and don't work at the home office. Indeed, qe shouldnt be cowed or stop doing the things we enjoy ans go out and go to concerts or whatever, but the government needs to do something. Otherwise innocent people will continue to die at the hands of these murderers.

I never like to comment on these things on any social media platform because it is a very sensitive topic and I never know how what I mean in my head will be read on the page. I find it difficult to get these things across well, without writing anything that is in truth extremely stupid and makes me look like a bit of a tw*t. But I wanted to say something for this one at least, and I hope I will never have to write anything or say anything to my friends like this again. Unfortunately, that seems like an unlikely scenario.
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$112 billion in Iraq is missing: Official

04 Jun 2017 14:31

http://www.rudaw.net/english/business/04062017
$112 billion in Iraq is missing: Official
Adil Nuri, a Kurdish MP and spokesperson of the Integrity committee in the Iraqi parliament believes the source of corruption is that there is not a "serious will" to battle corruption by Baghdad.

“Corruption has support in Iraq with strong men backing it,” Nuri said. “There is not a serious will to end it by the prime minister, therefore our efforts to face corruption will have no results.”

“Arrest warrants are issued for the corrupt ministers but they end up leaving the country,” Nuri complained.
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