Log in:  

Register

2018 FIFA World Cup XXI

Grab a short black and come join in the non-cycling discussion. Favourite books, movies, holiday destinations, other sports - chat about it all in the cafe.

Moderators: Eshnar, Irondan, King Boonen, Red Rick, Pricey_sky

04 Jul 2018 06:55

Horrible game. Diving, play-acting, dirty fouls, constant whining to the ref. That late equalizer from Mina was a blow for the neutral fan since it meant another 30 minutes of cr*p.

Colombia was unrecognizable. A totally different team from the one I saw play against Poland. For sure they were the instigators but disappointing that England joined the party.
User avatar Flamin
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,651
Joined: 04 Jan 2011 00:31

06 Jul 2018 08:15

OMG england won a penalty shootout............LOL I have only caught up with the result

followed 'til end extra time...then after earlier experiences I turned away....................

shame! on colombia marring wor beautiful game

can't see brazil losing now.......................unless russia really have this bought?

Mark L
User avatar ebandit
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,121
Joined: 02 Aug 2012 18:24

06 Jul 2018 19:54

Suarez and Neymar out. What a great day for football! :D
ice&fire
Member
 
Posts: 1,293
Joined: 01 Jul 2015 19:30

Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup XXI

06 Jul 2018 20:03

Great win for Belgium.Lukaku is an amazing player,he showed his class in every game at this WC.
User avatar DBotero
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,311
Joined: 14 Mar 2015 14:22

Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup XXI

06 Jul 2018 20:08

DBotero wrote:Great win for Belgium.Lukaku is an amazing player,he showed his class in every game at this WC.


Agreed. Belgium’s counter attack in the first half was deadly.
Instigating profanity laced tirades since 2009
User avatar Scott SoCal
Veteran
 
Posts: 11,640
Joined: 08 Nov 2012 16:47
Location: Southern California

06 Jul 2018 21:34

Casemiro is so important for brazil/real. I've never really rated him but seeing fernandinho in his position today makes me realise how essential he is. Fernandinho was horrific today, he let hazard, De Bruyne and Lukaku get past him so easily.

France v Belgium is going to be interesting, both teams have leaky defences and play on the counter, but France seem to have a stronger midfield and I imagine Mbappe (or even dembele) will seriously hurt the Belgian defence with their pace
Brullnux
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,350
Joined: 31 Mar 2015 14:41

Re:

06 Jul 2018 23:06

Brullnux wrote:Casemiro is so important for brazil/real. I've never really rated him but seeing fernandinho in his position today makes me realise how essential he is. Fernandinho was horrific today, he let hazard, De Bruyne and Lukaku get past him so easily.

France v Belgium is going to be interesting, both teams have leaky defences and play on the counter, but France seem to have a stronger midfield and I imagine Mbappe (or even dembele) will seriously hurt the Belgian defence with their pace

Despite what the scoreline of the Argentina game might suggest, France's defence isn't leaky. By a lot of metrics, it's actually the best in the tournament. Argentina could only really create three chances and they did a good job of converting each and every one of those but conceding three chances to a team with the firepower of Argentina isn't bad. The other games, the defence has been dominant. Varane and Umtiti are by far the best centre-back pair left in the tournament and they have finally started to gel. Hernandez has been outstanding at left-back and Pavard started out pretty shaky but has really grown in confidence as the tournament progressed. Even Lloris looks good at the moment.

The interesting part is that France defence has been great at shutting down the number one weapon of the other team (for example Suarez today didn't get a shot off or even a touch inside the french box) but Belgium is much more multi-dimensional than the teams France has played to date. We'll see if they can adjust.

On the other hand, Belgium has left tons of gaps and has given up a bunch of goals without the excuse that their opponents are converting their chances at an unsustainable rate. They really are that bad. Meunier is their only good option as a fullback and he won't play. After seeing Douglas Costa tear open the left side of their defence, I have no idea who's going to stop Mbappé.

The real difference though is in midfield. France has looked far more organized in their pressing and has a big edge in term of physicality in the middle of the pitch (this is actually the one defining feature of that French team). Kanté, Pogba and Matuidi can run any team into the ground (Giroud and Griezmann have very high work rates too). While Belgium deserves a ton of credit for getting their creators to buy into their defensive scheme they just don't compare in term of ability to cover ground. Expect them to start to really tire around the hour mark. If Belgium can't get an early goal, they are going to be in a lot of trouble.

On the other side, Croatia is a much better unit than Russia but they often seem to play like less than the sum of their parts in the knockout stage. They have a lot of old legs and the extra time against Denmark will have done them no favour. Still, they are a class above Russia and should advance as I don't see them play with the same passive gameplan as Spain.

Sweden is fresher (no extra time) and a very bad matchup for England. They defend set pieces incredibly well (as long as it's not a direct freekick from Kroos) which will force England to make the difference in open play where they have looked toothless so far. Sweden will probably manage a scrappy goal and should be enough to see them through.

Sweden/Croatia should a tight game that could go either way but I'd rather see Croatia in the final as I like Modric's and Mandzukic's games a lot. By that point, I don't think they'll be able to muster enough energy to trouble the team from the top of the bracket but world cup finals never play out as you expect.
User avatar EvansIsTheBest
Member
 
Posts: 420
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 06:49

Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup XXI

07 Jul 2018 00:31

Belgium again so lucky. Can back with a fluky goal against Japan, Japanese commited harakiri to stop extra time (which Belgium would have won but been tired). Then against Brazil so many times did rickeshades in the area just happen to fall a bit to high or out of the way of a brazil player plus a lucky own goal.

Dont like France either but if we have to have a parade in ten days, I'd much rather it be in Paris than Brussels since France already won one and at least they might stop talking about 1998
User avatar The Hitch
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,897
Joined: 14 Jun 2010 10:58
Location: London.

Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup XXI

07 Jul 2018 07:29

The Hitch wrote:Belgium again so lucky. Can back with a fluky goal against Japan, Japanese commited harakiri to stop extra time (which Belgium would have won but been tired). Then against Brazil so many times did rickeshades in the area just happen to fall a bit to high or out of the way of a brazil player plus a lucky own goal.

Dont like France either but if we have to have a parade in ten days, I'd much rather it be in Paris than Brussels since France already won one and at least they might stop talking about 1998


I don't think Belgium were lucky.Hazard could have closed the game on the 60' and they had a lot of counters were they just didn't concentrate enough to make them count.Brazil goal was a great one but they showed too little to say they deserved more from this game.
Japan was the better team but their tactical approach was hilarious considering they had the game in the bag when leading 2-0 and ending with that corner :o
User avatar DBotero
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,311
Joined: 14 Mar 2015 14:22

Re: Re:

07 Jul 2018 07:35

EvansIsTheBest wrote
On the other side, Croatia is a much better unit than Russia but they often seem to play like less than the sum of their parts in the knockout stage. They have a lot of old legs and the extra time against Denmark will have done them no favour. Still, they are a class above Russia and should advance as I don't see them play with the same passive gameplan as Spain.
agree with the bolded, but there is the invisible or imperceptible home factor. though, THAT can go either way overburdening the host. i also observed the physical stamina in some russian strikers to bet them run fresher at the end. my sense is the croatian game will be to own the space and the russians not objecting...
Sweden is fresher (no extra time) and a very bad matchup for England. They defend set pieces incredibly well (as long as it's not a direct freekick from Kroos) which will force England to make the difference in open play where they have looked toothless so far. Sweden will probably manage a scrappy goal and should be enough to see them through.
agree again. i also feel sweden will bet on their '2nd floor' advantage. the swedes also have shown a remarkable disciple and i doubt will gift the english their cherished set piece kicks.
DJPbaltimore:'John Kerry is an honorable person and would not call out the Russians if there was not evidence', 'the 2 of you are russia stooges'
in foreign policy there are no eternal friendships or eternal enemies, only eternal interests
User avatar python
Veteran
 
Posts: 6,830
Joined: 25 Sep 2009 01:01

07 Jul 2018 07:47

@evans is the best, France have a leaky defence. They gave up opportunities to both Australia and Peru and in their previous matches their defence also didn't look amazing when the game was stretched. Better than Belgium's, but a level below Uruguay and Brazil (until they lost casemiro)
Brullnux
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,350
Joined: 31 Mar 2015 14:41

07 Jul 2018 11:29

Agree with Hitch that Belgium was lucky. Also let's not forget Kompany's clear foul on Jesus was somehow not a penalty. On the other hand, this team is much more mature than 4 or even 2 years ago. Luck isn't random. The best teams have more 'luck' than minor teams. Therefore they would have never gotten this kind of fortune back then.

@Brullnux
Fernandinho was indeed bad, though I don't know if anyone can stop Belgium on the counterattack when you move forward as much as Brazil did.

As for Brazil vs France defence. France has more pace at the back, which is of course very important against Lukaku, Hazard, KDB. I'd definitely fancy the French to handle them better than Brazil did.

@DBotero
Ehm, Belgium was just sloppy at times in 2nd half, messing up multiple 3v4 or even 4v4 situations. That's not an argument to say they weren't lucky. Their level dropped.
User avatar Flamin
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,651
Joined: 04 Jan 2011 00:31

Re: 2018 FIFA World Cup XXI

07 Jul 2018 11:31

Brullnux wrote:@evans is the best, France have a leaky defence. They gave up opportunities to both Australia and Peru and in their previous matches their defence also didn't look amazing when the game was stretched. Better than Belgium's, but a level below Uruguay and Brazil (until they lost casemiro)

I'm not saying France is playing like Italy '06 at the back but leaky is just going too far. Apart from a moment of madness from Umtiti with the penalty he conceded against Australia, they completely shut down the teams in their group. Argentina got a great finish from Di Maria, a fluky deflection of Mercado and a well-worked goal from Aguero. But at the end of the day, that's a game where France only made two mistakes defensively (not closing out faster on Di Maria and giving Aguero too much space on his header) which isn't terrible against such a talented team. Uruguay created one good scoring opportunity in the entire game. I mean those are not the number of a leaky defense :

Opponent Shots against / Shots on target against / Expected Goals against
Uruguay 11 / 5 / 0.7
Argentina 10 / 4 / 1
Denmark 5 / 2 / 0.1
Peru 10 / 2 / 0.3
Australia 6 / 1 / 0.2 (+ 1 penalty)

Those, on the other seem a lot more problematic :
Opponent Shots against / Shots on target against / Expected Goals against
Brazil 27 / 9 / 2.5
Japan 11 / 4 / 0.8
England 11 / 2 / 0.6
Tunisia 16 / 5 / 1.1
Panama 7 / 2 / 0.5
User avatar EvansIsTheBest
Member
 
Posts: 420
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 06:49

07 Jul 2018 15:25

Yes!! Marvellous England in semifinal!
And The Final Countdown..... France against England...... next Sunday...... just after Roubaix stage........ epic.
User avatar Bot. Sky_Bot
Member
 
Posts: 999
Joined: 20 Aug 2017 12:52

07 Jul 2018 15:51

Excellent. A few thousands of Britons singing......
User avatar Bot. Sky_Bot
Member
 
Posts: 999
Joined: 20 Aug 2017 12:52

07 Jul 2018 15:57

Solid win by England. Sweden poor but England decent apart from the few goal scoring chances.
Brullnux
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,350
Joined: 31 Mar 2015 14:41

07 Jul 2018 16:48

So England play Croatia or Russia, I prefer Croatian as even though they have better players, Russia in Moscow would be very difficult
del1962
Veteran
 
Posts: 6,762
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 17:20

Re:

07 Jul 2018 16:49

Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:Excellent. A few thousands of Britons singing......


How many where Scotsmen :D
del1962
Veteran
 
Posts: 6,762
Joined: 16 Oct 2012 17:20

07 Jul 2018 16:51

Really happy that England have made it through but I still feel the winner will come from the France/Belgium game. Kudos to Sweden for getting so far and playing in the right spirit of the game (unlike Colombia!).
Hayabusa
Member
 
Posts: 671
Joined: 07 May 2012 14:18

07 Jul 2018 17:07

Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:Excellent. A few thousands of Britons singing......


footballs coming home.....footballs coming home

....3 lions on my chest...........................

if only england can make it to the final ending 52 yrs of hurt....last time my evil father packed me

off to the park with mother so he could watch in peace...LOL

Mark L

now croatia surely must beat russia...they must must they not?
User avatar ebandit
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,121
Joined: 02 Aug 2012 18:24

PreviousNext

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests

Back to top