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16 Nov 2017 14:18

Thanks everybody for the great season. Being my first attempt, I'm very happy with the 22nd place. Looking to improve next year.
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16 Nov 2017 15:19

Not very happy with my 95th position but at least I won the Green Jersey competition,which is better than nothing
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16 Nov 2017 17:24

Yes, thanks to the organizers for this and congratulations to fauniera on his victory. I'm already looking forward to next year encouraged by my sixth place this year. Perhaps we should consider ending the game earlier next year? Personally I don't see much point waiting for the last Chinese race to finish.
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16 Nov 2017 17:51

This seems to be the right time to post an updated version of the all-time lists I posted last year!


Top overall score
Rank, name, total score
1 (-) skidmark 97581
2 (-) Kazistuta 92984
3 (-) MADRAZO 90990
4 (+3) Hugo Koblet 90456
5 (-) EvansIsTheBest 89411
6 (+3) Armchair cyclist 87306
7 (+1) will10 86754
8 (+2) Ferminal 85638
9 (+2) Jancouver 83849
10 (+2) Jpettersen 83479

Kazistuta cuts away almost 2000 points from skidmark's advantage, but the all-time leader is still far ahead of the pack. mc_mountain and ingsve have disappeared from the all-time top 10 after not participating this year.


Average placement (3+ participations)
Rank, name, (no. of participations), average placement
1 (-) Geraint Too Fast (6) 16,2
2 (+1) The Hitch (5) 16,4
3 (-1) skidmark (7) 21
4 (+2) Kazistuta (7) 23
5 (-) gustienordic (4) 24
6 (+5) Squire (5) 25
7 (-) Nyssinator (3) 26
8 (+1) Cykeltyven (3) 27
9 (+1) bicing (4) 28
10 (+2) TeoSheva (3) 30

Geraint Too Consistent keeps his lead in the average placements. skidmark's bad season sees him drop behind The Hitch. Sometimes it can help your standings if you don't participate, it seems.

Now for the casualties. freshman, who was 4th in this list last year after three solid participations, tumbles down to 12th after an anonymous 58th in 2017. The top 10 also loses Kjellus, whose 59th this year takes him down from 8th to 18th. Kjellus' average placing drops from 26 to 35.


Top weekly scores
Rank, name, weekly score, (after which race)
1 Ben1376 2146 (Giro d'Italia 2014)
2 fauniera 2101 (Giro d'Italia 2014)
3 CQmanager 2063 (Tour de France 2015)
4 Kwibus 1962 (Vuelta a Espana 2011)
5 kurtinsc 1940 (Vuelta a Espana 2011)
6 Milanello 1930 (Giro d'Italia 2014)
7 Ruvu75 1899 (Tour de France 2015)
8 highoctane 1885 (Giro d'Italia 2014)
9 Slow_Rider 1875 (Giro d'Italia 2014)
10 MCardinalR 1874 (Giro d'Italia 2014)

No new entries in the top 10 this year. scrooll07's post-TdF score is the highest of the year: 1549 points. That's only good enough for 45th in the list of all-time highest weekly scores.


Top yearly scores
Rank, name, yearly score, (year)
1 skidmark 19372 (2012)
2 Kvinto 18106 (2012)
3 Nyssinator 17785 (2012)
4 FF'Wilco 17116 (2012)
5 TeoSheva 17096 (2012)
6 Armchair cyclist 17092 (2012)
7 EvansIsTheBest 16911 (2012)
8 mc_mountain 16479 (2012)
9 shalgo 16446 (2012)
10 Netserk 16319 (2012)

The 2012 dominance is still not broken, but fauniera's winning score of 15867 is not too shabby. It's the 17th highest yearly score of all time, and the 2nd highest non-2012 year (only beaten by Cykeltyven's 16209 points which won them the game in 2015). the asian's haul of 15698 this year is good enough for 20th of all time, and the 3rd best non-2012 score.


Most popular picks
Rank, name, percentage of teams, (year)
1 BOONEN Tom 92,0 % (2014)
2 KITTEL Marcel 91,7 % (2016)
3 SCHLECK Andy 90 % (2013)
4 HUSHOVD Thor 89 % (2013)
5 DEGENKOLB John 89 % (2017)
6 HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 86 % (2015)
7 EWAN Caleb 85 % (2015)
8 SCHLECK Andy 85 % (2014)
9 BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 84 % (2016)
10 BRESCHEL Matti 83 % (2012)

This year John Degenkolb turned out to be the 5th most obvious pick of all time. Elia Viviani was high on the list too, having been picked by 79% of the 2017 teams.

On 18 occasions has a rider been picked by more than 3/4ths of all teams in a year. Andy Schleck is the only one to have had this honour twice.


Top overall picks
Rank, name, overall picks
1 (+2) DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd 325
2 (-1) PHINNEY Taylor 316
3 (+1) BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 296
4 (-2) GOSS Matthew 289
5 (-) MOSER Moreno 270
6 (-) SCHLECK Andy 257
7 (-) BOONEN Tom 252
8 (+1) EWAN Caleb 248
9 (+22) ARU Fabio 236
10 (-2) HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 215

What is it with CQ managers and Americans?

None of the hopeless cases that make up the top 5 have been the most picked in a single year, but have been high on the list for many editions. "He will have his breakthrough this year, it has to be this year!"


Best rookie
Year, name, placing
2012 Nyssinator 3rd
2013 SteelyDan 1st
2014 Cykeltyven 2nd
2015 snccdcno 3rd
2016 abbulf 3rd
2017 SafeBet 22nd


Trivia

skidmark is the only player to double the value of his team on more than one occasion - and he has done it three times!

In their six participations, Geraint Too Fast has never finished outside the top 30. This year they did it again (17th). Nobody comes close to such consistency.

If we look past the rather meaningless last weekly update of 2016 (with like one small Chinese race), skidmark comfortably won the 2016 game by placing in the weekly top 10 just once, and that was a 9th place! Zubeldia would be proud.

This year we lost another three of the ever presents, as ingsve, mc_mountain and trotters aotearoa didn't take part. There are now only 16 people who have participated in all seven editions of the game.

No weekly score outside the end week for a GT has ever reached 1500 points.

2016 is the only year where the top weekly score hasn't come after a GT: 1387 points for Kjellus after Tour de Suisse.

fauniera's victory in the CQ game 2017 marks the first time that the most popular team wins the game.

There's often been a strong relationship between 1st and 2nd place in either the overall rankings or the popularity rankings: Both times skidmark has won the game, his team was 2nd in the popularity ranking. Both Cykeltyven (2014) and Kvinto (2012) finished 2nd overall when they were 1st in the popularity rankings.

The all-time master of popularity is The Hitch, whose placings in the popularity rankings in the five editions they participated read: 7th, 5th, 1st, 4th, 2nd.
skidmark is not far behind: His teams have been in the top 10 of the popularity ranking five times, and the two non-top 10s were a 12th and an 18th place.

As of last year, as many as 59 riders had been picked at least once every year of the game. This year, that number took a huge hit. As of 2017, only 31 riders have been in the game every year. One rider (Sylwester Szmyd) survived in this list even though he retired at the end of 2016. Maybe Tigerion was hoping for a comeback?

Among the riders who have been picked at least once every year, Juraj Sagan has the fewest total picks: 15. That could mean he has one or two very faithful fans.

Marcel Kittel has the record for the most points earned in one season across all players who picked him, with 136488 points in 2016.

Tom Boonen's net score of 206108 points is the highest in the game, highly influenced by his successful 2012 and 2014 seasons both coming on the back of very unsuccessful seasons (which made him a popular and cheap pick for those years).

Carlos Betancur has incurred the biggest net loss of points in the game (counting both profitable and non-profitable seasons): -32974 points! It's worth noting that Betancur has turned a profit for four of the seven seasons he's been in the CQ game.

Carlos Betancur also has the single biggest loss-incurring season: Losing a total of 39228 points in 2015. Ricco's 2011 is in second place with a total loss of 30744 points for all players combined (-31752 if we go by the rules that was in place in 2011: That riders caught doping lost all their scored points).
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16 Nov 2017 18:05

Love those Trivia! Thanks a lot Squire.
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16 Nov 2017 18:20

My goal for next year will be to take the lead in the average placement competition! I have an average of 16 now after 2 participations.
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Re: The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

17 Nov 2017 08:20

Thanks everyone! And thanks to skidmark and all the other guys who did updates.

Looking forward to 2018. I already have way too many names that i want to cram into my team.
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17 Nov 2017 16:01

Happy to have made the podium. I never expected this to happen at the beginning of the year.
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17 Nov 2017 17:07

I'm waiting to see Squire on Mastermind; specialist round "CQ game data, 2011 to date"
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Re: The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

18 Nov 2017 14:34

Thank you very much Skidmark for organizing this once again great game. Also thanks to Squire for the actually quite interesting trivia.

I'm quite happy with my 16th place this year. I honestly didn't expect to be so high up in the rankings after failing completely in my first participation last year. That said, I'm not 100% satisfied since I was 3rd overall around halfway through the season, but lost some ground in the 2nd half. Especially when Teuns scored a lot of points after the tour it was always horrible to see that your riders actually make quite a lot of points but still you go down in the rankings because of missing one rider. Now I just hope to improve even further next year. :)
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Re: The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

18 Nov 2017 17:35

skidmark wrote:
finishing in the top 20 in this comprehensive game is no mean feat. Thanks all, and congrats to the winner![/url]


I would have said anybody in the top 21 did well.
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18 Nov 2017 17:44

fauniera wrote:It's a bit too early to tell, as both Gaviria and Ewan will race the Tour of Guangxi.

Indeed. The popular combo ended up 10 points ahead. Guess my post counts as an example of celebrating too early, eh?
Goodbye, Tommeke; thank you for all you have given us!
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22 Nov 2017 09:22

Squire wrote:

Average placement (3+ participations)
Rank, name, (no. of participations), average placement
1 (-) Geraint Too Fast (6) 16,2
2 (+1) The Hitch (5) 16,4
3 (-1) skidmark (7) 21
4 (+2) Kazistuta (7) 23
5 (-) gustienordic (4) 24
6 (+5) Squire (5) 25
7 (-) Nyssinator (3) 26
8 (+1) Cykeltyven (3) 27
9 (+1) bicing (4) 28
10 (+2) TeoSheva (3) 30

Geraint Too Consistent keeps his lead in the average placements. skidmark's bad season sees him drop behind The Hitch. Sometimes it can help your standings if you don't participate, it seems.



Haha yeah, Skidmark is the 2 time champion (+1 time runner up), all time leader and only slightly below me on this list despite more participations so I tip my hat to him. If i had participated last 2 years, no way I would have come close to a 16th overall average.
Skidmark is truly the king of the cq game and second head next to Hugo Koblet on the CQ Mount Rushmore

Still I look back on that with pride. Even though the first year was less people, I can't have been too bad at this cycling thing to maintain that over 5 (wow was it really that many January deadline days spent obsessing over the rankings :o ) seasons.

Of course props to Kazistuta who also has an incredible average for 7 performances, and to GTF who I already called out a few years ago as being some sort of cq savant.
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28 Nov 2017 02:05

Hey all! I took a little CQ break since the last update, but it's nice to see folks chime in about how they appreciated this year's game. Also, thanks to Squire for such a comprehensive breakdown of the all-time facts. The game is now going into its 8th edition, and it has maintained its basic structure, but to me it's not something you have to tweak too much. I know that every year a few less posts happen on the thread, but the level of participation and number of teams is still quite high. Are people still having fun? Any suggestions? Someone mentioned that with the new WT events, the average team points have gone up, so it may be an appropriate time to up the CQ points total. I do like that somewhat of a tradition has developed at the 7500 level (plus it allows for some pretty direct comparisons on that all-time list), but at the same time, I'm open to change if there's a widespread interest in it. If anyone has strong feelings about this, let's talk about it in the next week, as I'm sure there are a good number of teams who have already started preparing for a 7500-point team in 2018. But yeah, feedback welcome, even if it's to say that you don't post much on the thread but like the game.

For me, I'm loving the game still, but I've had trouble keeping up with the updates this year. I might do an early callout to sign people up for more of the summer, maybe all the way from April to August. But I'll get to that in the new thread. I hope to put it up around the same time as this one went up last year, which was December 15th, or maybe even a bit earlier.

Thanks for playing again everyone.
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28 Nov 2017 06:06

Looking forward to a next year edition of this great game... I am probably the only one who has a list of riders ready by now:)
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28 Nov 2017 08:37

skidmark wrote:Hey all! I took a little CQ break since the last update, but it's nice to see folks chime in about how they appreciated this year's game. Also, thanks to Squire for such a comprehensive breakdown of the all-time facts. The game is now going into its 8th edition, and it has maintained its basic structure, but to me it's not something you have to tweak too much. I know that every year a few less posts happen on the thread, but the level of participation and number of teams is still quite high. Are people still having fun? Any suggestions? Someone mentioned that with the new WT events, the average team points have gone up, so it may be an appropriate time to up the CQ points total. I do like that somewhat of a tradition has developed at the 7500 level (plus it allows for some pretty direct comparisons on that all-time list), but at the same time, I'm open to change if there's a widespread interest in it. If anyone has strong feelings about this, let's talk about it in the next week, as I'm sure there are a good number of teams who have already started preparing for a 7500-point team in 2018. But yeah, feedback welcome, even if it's to say that you don't post much on the thread but like the game.

For me, I'm loving the game still, but I've had trouble keeping up with the updates this year. I might do an early callout to sign people up for more of the summer, maybe all the way from April to August. But I'll get to that in the new thread. I hope to put it up around the same time as this one went up last year, which was December 15th, or maybe even a bit earlier.

Thanks for playing again everyone.

7500 looks fine to me.
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28 Nov 2017 08:57

I only did a quick calculation without removing stagiaires, but here's the average CQ-score of riders on WT-teams the last three seasons:

2015: 292
2016: 298
2017: 310

So the nominal increase from 2016 to 2017 was double that of 2015 to 2016, but in average we're looking at a 4% increase in price for WT-riders for next year's game (not adjusted for who will stay on etc., just the general gist).

Perhaps looking at top half, quartile or decile will reveal more radical changes - but for me much of the fun in January is playing around with the budget and making those hard decisions. Staying at 7500 sounds good to me.
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28 Nov 2017 09:53

Maybe unsurprisingly i'm happy with the rules as they are.

Martin wrote:I am probably the only one who has a list of riders ready by now :)

Ha. No way. :)
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28 Nov 2017 11:23

fauniera wrote:Maybe unsurprisingly i'm happy with the rules as they are.

Martin wrote:I am probably the only one who has a list of riders ready by now :)

Ha. No way. :)


I have almost 60 riders that I need to have in my 2018 team already. Will it be allowed to have more than one team :p
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28 Nov 2017 17:26

I vote aswell for sticking with 7500 points. Works great and leads to nicely balanced teams for the whole season.

Looking forward to 2018, allthough I haven't done any research yet and my longlist (build-up from last year) only has 64 riders so far. Lots of "work" to do in December.
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