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11 Nov 2014 19:22

HelgeBlendet wrote: Oh... and thanks to Andy Schleck for retiring... I just know I would've picked him next year just because...


At the start of the year I posted on here "last time I pick Andy", well he didn't even give me a choice:p
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11 Nov 2014 19:44

The Hitch wrote:Its going in my sig.


Hahaha, that's awesome. Maybe everyone should have this in their sig.
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11 Nov 2014 19:46

LaFlorecita wrote:At the start of the year I posted on here "last time I pick Andy", well he didn't even give me a choice:p


you can still choose to pick him, Flo ;)

only costs 25 points or something; you never know, I did that with Efimkin the first year of the game and he came out of retirement to get, well, something like less than 100 points. And then retire again. But, you can still do it!
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11 Nov 2014 20:33

skidmark wrote:you can still choose to pick him, Flo ;)

only costs 25 points or something; you never know, I did that with Efimkin the first year of the game and he came out of retirement to get, well, something like less than 100 points. And then retire again. But, you can still do it!


NO. :p :p a waste of 25 points and a space
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12 Nov 2014 13:13

Happy to make the top 20. When this progression continues next time I will destroy the field.
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13 Nov 2014 20:27

Thanks to all those who helped run the game this year and congratulations to Pentacycle on his convincing win :cool:

With the fourth season done and dusted, it's time to look at the all-time rankings. Even though, The Hitch closed the gap to a single point during the summer, skidmark's late season resurgence means that he holds a somewhat comfortable 544 points lead before next season. Mc_mountain is a distant third.
skidmark 53625
The Hitch 53081
mc_mountain 51613
EvansIsTheBest 51036
Kazistuta 50843
ingsve 50130
bicing 50010
MADRAZO 49721
Armchair Cyclist 49015
The Amateur 48168
Tuarts 47898
will10 47757
Ferminal 47609
Hugo Koblet 47507
theyoungest 47086
Handbrake 46495
Mellow Velo 45422
sublimit 44985
Jancouver 44867
Jpettersen 43908
Object 43487
Jakob747 42920
al_pacino 42845
Geraint Too Fast 40598
Blues in the bottle 40307
trotters aotearoa 40021
TeoSheva 40001
Tomazo 39631
Ruudz0r 39524
minessa 39463
gustienordic 39283
shalgo 37747
auto de fé 37524
greenedge 37262
Netserk 37236
18-Valve. (pithy) 36823
Ham-N-Eggs 36701
Gotland 36675
vladimir 36498
Kvinto 36127
adamski101 36035
Squire 35717
Skibby the bush kangaroo 35678
Froome19 35629
Lortnoc 35550
nobilis 35507
jsem94 35488
AntonioRossi 35307
LaFlorecita 35109
HelgeBlendet 35055
Maaaaaaaarten 34868
the asian 34774
AAC1983 34472
ansimi 34455
CraZyCaLL 34316
just some guy 34287
DJ Sprtsch 34103
Total Package 33362
King Of The Worlds 33164
Popchu 32799
Panda Claws 32653
the_fool_on_the_hill 32141
auscyclefan94 32014
CQmanager 31740
Jan the Man 31017
hilltopfinisher 29620
Nyssinator 29439
Kevin Rudd's Hairdryer 29314
Waterloo Sunrise 28454
Luke Schmid 27977
FF'Wilco 27956
Kwibus 26733
Timmy-loves-Rabo 26449
kurtinsc 26301
Karbonkel 25506
taiwan 24616
Sasquatch 24544
The Cobra 24270
hrotha 23655
ironted 23555
SteelyDan 23528
togo95 23523
AussieGoddess 23485
*Falze* 23379
nck1000 23283
lancaster 23071
cineteq 23070
Sylvester 22808
Duartista 22800
Pentacycle 22608
Martin 22343
Moondance 22341
PeterB 22337
Yellow Knight 22177
Spider1964 22100
Bumeington 22050
GP Blanco 22018
Bellsax 21998
Sneekes 21780
element 21562
Afrank 21530
asdfgh101 21482
roundabout 21395
LightBing 21311
luckyboy 21123
jaylew 21063
gerundium 20970
Eyeballs Out 20957
Eric8-A 20778
comodoro 20499
VeloRooms 20338
search 20329
Andrichuk 20236
NairoQ 20099
R_O_Shipman 19774
Jraama 18291
Tigerion 18213
tgsgirl 17370
Zam_Olyas 17160
whittashau 16596
coinneach 16432
Rocksteady 16040
jencredible 14490
Swede1 14137
CasperVG 13753
schullster46 13739
Michele 13658
Reuell 13572
Havetts 13494
flyers 13209
SantiBotero 13128
Tank Engine 13123
fedaia 12999
Strassenrennen 12766
Michielveedeebee 12696
djlovesyou 12344
chinaboy 12133
omloop van het houtland 12050
freddybobs 11985
nvpacchi 11716
The Aluminium Monster 11709
nordicICE1024 11660
Housoe 11485
miguelvazpinto 11388
Von Mises 11378
reader11 11363
Damiano 11335
Youri900 11314
Midnightfright 11280
Wigwan 11167
DnthasldHoff 11082
Pcutter 11006
bubbles 10962
Ambiturner93 10874
Cuyphagist 10857
Zaschrona 10856
joy118118 10803
mortand 10574
dogboy 10559
Barrus 10495
coppiman 10450
Blackbandit222 10394
Inzaghi 10353
Kjellus 10273
Passista 10204
Vitapen 10148
dlwssonic 10130
Dim 10118
Ruby United 10111
martyfulu 10038
benreynolds 10027
FlorinM 10021
keithmcmahon 9958
Spare Tyre 9924
Pabryan 9876
Fowsto Cope-E 9825
royalpig180 9735
henry olonga 9686
Moncoutie 9589
Dekker_tifosi 9587
sykkelerbest 9570
Team Riis 9561
zapata 9489
Kato777 9479
Makiavelli 9424
ForzaCampagna 9218
Parrulo 9178
Team Sky Fans 9145
Jimy-Arts 8980
bullet50000 8752
Sydney21 8719
microdose 8675
deValtos 8624
sosososik 8468
XlandaluzeX 8341
Contre la montre 8181
Jiaying 8180
Thibaut Pinot 8041
Team Kapiris 7903
Arnout 7628
Akubra 7469
who dat 7357
jens_attacks 7329
Libertine Seguros 7272
Weeley Wheeler 7176
Sdrawkcab 7088
sigsky 7019
Jukebox 7013
Vonn Brinkman 6696
Phoenix118 5724
Wiggins_fan 3423
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14 Nov 2014 19:50

EITB, thanks for the running totals, that's awesome to look at! And not just because of my position in it, I mean it's cool to see that running total for everyone (although I'm curious how many of those players have played all 4 years).

To everyone, I've been thinking about the game for next year. I think we've hit upon a set of rules that work quite well, but have heard a few different proposals for how to change the game. Hugo always maintained that the simplicity of the game was one of its hallmarks, and I'm inclined to agree, so as I'm intending on continuing to organize it I'm interested in preserving the very simple nature of it. Other ideas involving trades of riders or active rosters or a points valuation based on something more than raw CQ points can spawn other games, that's great, but my feeling is that's not what this game is about.

That said, if there's one thing I would consider changing, it might be the total points for teams. MC provided me with some info on how CQ points have changed since the game has started:

total points scored by all teams

2010 217683
2011 229067
2012 239226
2013 234051
2014 238259

average of the top 18 teams (not always the WT)

2010 7154
2011 7802
2012 8401
2013 8156
2014 8369

So, if the initial goal was for 7500 to be an 'average' team, it might be worthwhile considering an increase in team value. Then again, who knows what will happen if WT rosters are reduced as they are supposed to be, the total might go down. And I have zero interest in reducing rosters, I love the fact that you have to pick as many riders as you do, it's fun to follow more riders.

I've talked to MC and Hugo about this over PM and we're all kind of ambivalent about such an idea. Regardless, it's late enough in the year that people have probably been picking their teams, so I'm not really inclined to make any changes for next year, but this is more just to see what people think. So yeah, opinions are welcome, maybe somewhere indicating which option you're closest to of a) keep it the same, b) change it now! or c) change it maybe, but next year.

Thanks!
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14 Nov 2014 22:23

1st let me say thanks to all who organized, ran, up-dated and did all the work to make this game as enjoyable as it was.

This was my 1st year to participate in the game, and I was close enough to see last place I have to vote to keep things like they are. Its easy to play have 30 riders total 7500 pts or less. Trading or replacing riders although seems like a good thing how much confusion will it cause? What happens when riders don't get put on the right teams?? Regular teams hardly ever switch riders in the year so why here.

Some of the fun is being able to select a team and not having to micro-manage it. Adding more rules and variables doesn't always make things better sometimes less is best and I think this is one of those things. Just my thoughts on the issue. Thanks for your time,
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15 Nov 2014 01:31

If its not broken, dont fix it.

On the other hand, if you dont try to make it better by making changes you will not improve the game and you may be missing out.

Personally, I'm open to changes but only in the team size or team budget area. Less or more riders or lower/higher budget is OK with me either way.

That way we may realize that: A) We go back to the old version or B)We keep the new version. There is not that much to risk.

Proposal 1) I think 25 riders may work well with our current budget as many teams are stuffing free riders just to fill out their team anyway.

Proposal 2) Increase the budget to allow for more expensive riders. 8500 may work and its not that far from the current budget.

Once again, "if you don't try you'll never know"
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15 Nov 2014 13:12

I'm completely against trades or active/inactive rosters. The fact that you have to deceide early and live with it is the beautiful part of the game.

I don't think we should increase the budget. Looking at the CQ-rankings it seems that teams will be more similar with higher budgets as most of us will zero onto the same underperforming top riders. Hoping they will bounce back into the 1700 - 2000 points range. With a budget of 7500 points you will have to choose wisely among the options whereas you could easily fit everyone of those into a team worth 800-8500 points. I fear with an increase of the budget the game will become more top-heavy and dependent on the performance of the high-end riders. I'd definitely prefer the current budget.
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15 Nov 2014 14:09

The game works fine as it is, I cannot see any reason to change anything. For returning players it is always nice to compare scores against earlier years and maybe aim for an all time high. With any changes to number of riders or max points allowed this would be meaningless.
Only addition that I can think of is to put a ranking for the weekly winners in the updates. Could lead to more people following the game even if they are out of the picture overall.
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16 Nov 2014 10:15

One season is always going to differ from the next based purely on the availability of picks. In that sense it can feel like a change without having to change anything. It may just be me but 2015 seems like the hardest year yet (alternatively, the least like any previous season).
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16 Nov 2014 11:10

I haven't checked out the amount of really good cheap picks yet, but depending on that, I think I'll go with a couple of big hitters. There would have to be a lot of good cheap picks before going down the route of >60% of my budget going to three riders.
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16 Nov 2014 14:22

Netserk wrote:I haven't checked out the amount of really good cheap picks yet, but depending on that, I think I'll go with a couple of big hitters. There would have to be a lot of good cheap picks before going down the route of >60% of my budget going to three riders.


My first draft was 34 riders at 12500 points. I removed the two 1000+ picks and I was still way over budget! And I didn't even try to fit in Alberto :eek:

Most of the riders I see as good value are between 200 and 700 points... meh
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16 Nov 2014 20:38

vladimir wrote:Only addition that I can think of is to put a ranking for the weekly winners in the updates. Could lead to more people following the game even if they are out of the picture overall.


Very good idea imo! One that could make the game better.

About the budget I think 7500p is just fine. True that a WT team has some more value, CQ wise, but every year we can pick riders that are cheap CQ wise, but costly $budget$ wise. Guys like tommeke in 2014 or Henao/Stannard/Gesink in 2015. So with 7500p we have enough budget to make what would be a dream team out there in the road. A 8500p team would be a dream team + Purito! :p Too much imo.
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16 Nov 2014 21:12

oliveira wrote:Very good idea imo! One that could make the game better.

About the budget I think 7500p is just fine. True that a WT team has some more value, CQ wise, but every year we can pick riders that are cheap CQ wise, but costly $budget$ wise. Guys like tommeke in 2014 or Henao/Stannard/Gesink in 2015. So with 7500p we have enough budget to make what would be a dream team out there in the road. A 8500p team would be a dream team + Purito! :p Too much imo.


Finally the first spoiler or name dropping for next year:D. I have three of the four on my (starting to get very long) shortlist already so no help for me, but I wonder how many Sky riders that will be on the average CQ manager team next year? Probably three or four and even more I guess if you include those that have left;)
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16 Nov 2014 21:39

I could use 1000 extra points

am trying to fit all my faves in, got 7110 with 6 riders :p

Sagan-Jrod-Alberto + several others not going to fit:D

So now I have 33 riders at 7480 with Alberto included:eek:

I have given up on a good position:o
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17 Nov 2014 15:27

vladimir wrote:Only addition that I can think of is to put a ranking for the weekly winners in the updates. Could lead to more people following the game even if they are out of the picture overall.


Do you mean the equivalent of a points jersey? I do like that idea, could be points jersey for high scorers and KOM jersey got high movers. I did try and get my head round something similar at the start of the year but I reckon it probably needs to be done on a separate spreadsheet.

Might be the best way to do it would be if someone would take responsibility for collecting and reporting on the data, to take the pressure off the people doing the updates (which can be quite time consuming).

Some really good points being made about maintaining the budget.
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17 Nov 2014 15:28

As this year's Lanterne Rouge I am very keen for the new season to get underway so I can make amends for my disgraceful performance!

When will we be able to start submitting teams for 2015?
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17 Nov 2014 17:47

Something like a CQ game green jersey will be great.

One could just use TDF points system for a flat stage for every weekly update to keep it simple.
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