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15 Jan 2017 12:17

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Re: 2015-17 Emerging Riders CQ game

06 Feb 2017 07:06

Well, I'm in 5th place after two years, but only 17 points out of a podium spot (not including January scores of course). Here's my team:

BOUDAT Thomas
CHEVRIER Cl?ment
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian
HNIK Karel
K?NG Stefan
LATOUR Pierre-Roger
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
LUDVIGSSON Fredrik
MOHORIC Matej
MULLEN Ryan
NAESEN Oliver
POWER Robert
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney
RUFFONI Nicola
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
VERVAEKE Louis
ZEPUNTKE Ruben

So far, the only ones to really achieve superstar status are Gaviria, Latour, Lopez (and, points-wise if not profile-wise, Naesen). MADRAZO and Joelsim both have all of these; Hugo is missing Naesen and Jakob doesn't have Latour.

The second tier of guys who I think can still possibly make a breakthrough this year are Kung, Mohoric, Power, Ruffoni and Vervaeke... and maybe I can include Mullen there too, although that is just based on his TT at the Worlds last year. Unfortunately, ahead of me Hugo has ALL of them, Joelsim has all save Mullen and Mohoric and MADRAZO has all save Ruffoni and Vervaeke. Jakob and I have very different teams from this point on, so if I do well I can move up a spot there. That's not much advantage from the guys who are in the tier where I think they've underperformed their talent so far.

So I guess I'm gonna have to depend on guys like Ludvigsson, Hnik and Zepuntke to, uhhh... wait, where are they riding? Hmm, this might not be the game for me to overcome a 1000 point deficit. Oh well, at least I don't have Campbell Flakemore.
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Re: 2015-17 Emerging Riders CQ game

07 Feb 2017 01:18

skidmark wrote:Well, I'm in 5th place after two years, but only 17 points out of a podium spot (not including January scores of course). Here's my team:

BOUDAT Thomas
CHEVRIER Cl?ment
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando
HENAO GOMEZ Sebastian
HNIK Karel
K?NG Stefan
LATOUR Pierre-Roger
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
LUDVIGSSON Fredrik
MOHORIC Matej
MULLEN Ryan
NAESEN Oliver
POWER Robert
QUINTANA ROJAS Dayer Uberney
RUFFONI Nicola
VAN DER POEL Mathieu
VERVAEKE Louis
ZEPUNTKE Ruben

So far, the only ones to really achieve superstar status are Gaviria, Latour, Lopez (and, points-wise if not profile-wise, Naesen). MADRAZO and Joelsim both have all of these; Hugo is missing Naesen and Jakob doesn't have Latour.

The second tier of guys who I think can still possibly make a breakthrough this year are Kung, Mohoric, Power, Ruffoni and Vervaeke... and maybe I can include Mullen there too, although that is just based on his TT at the Worlds last year. Unfortunately, ahead of me Hugo has ALL of them, Joelsim has all save Mullen and Mohoric and MADRAZO has all save Ruffoni and Vervaeke. Jakob and I have very different teams from this point on, so if I do well I can move up a spot there. That's not much advantage from the guys who are in the tier where I think they've underperformed their talent so far.

So I guess I'm gonna have to depend on guys like Ludvigsson, Hnik and Zepuntke to, uhhh... wait, where are they riding? Hmm, this might not be the game for me to overcome a 1000 point deficit. Oh well, at least I don't have Campbell Flakemore.


You almost got me worried there saying I had Mullen and not Vervaeke, compared to Joelsim. But as I suspected it is the other way around, so with Vervaekes great start to the season, and now even also one of my worst picks Senni starting to show a little of the talent he showed as u23 and getting some points things look pretty good for me. But so much can still happen and for instance the mentioned Mullen could still also be great and help Joelsim threathen me and still its too early to write the rest of you off yet. You also have Chevrier, that used to be a great talent, and who knows if he suddenly explodes too, after his very slow progress so far as a pro. Besides Joelsim Jakob is perhaps the most dangerous though with riders like McLay and maybe Looij that could potentially score high this year.
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Re: 2015-17 Emerging Riders CQ game

07 Feb 2017 04:52

MADRAZO wrote:
You almost got me worried there saying I had Mullen and not Vervaeke, compared to Joelsim. But as I suspected it is the other way around, so with Vervaekes great start to the season, and now even also one of my worst picks Senni starting to show a little of the talent he showed as u23 and getting some points things look pretty good for me. But so much can still happen and for instance the mentioned Mullen could still also be great and help Joelsim threathen me and still its too early to write the rest of you off yet. You also have Chevrier, that used to be a great talent, and who knows if he suddenly explodes too, after his very slow progress so far as a pro. Besides Joelsim Jakob is perhaps the most dangerous though with riders like McLay and maybe Looij that could potentially score high this year.


Whoops sorry, yeah I was looking back and forth between tabs and scrolling up and down through teams, my mistake. True that McLay is a real potential threat; Looij I am less sure about, as he was so fast so young two years ago but that seems to have vanished. Either way, even if top spot is out of reach I'll be excited to follow along this year - this was a weird class, it seems like lots of them have gone in fits and starts with injury/illness (Kung, Power) or really stop/start development (Chevrier, Vervaeke, Ruffoni, Mullen, and even Henao and Quintana have shown talent only to have long periods of nothing).
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07 Feb 2017 20:51

Into the decisive third year: will some of our picks have a delayed breakthrough?

Year 3, Month 1 to 5th Feb

Rather unimpressive: the riders in the 2017-19 game have scored better this month. Maybe our key picks are established enough now not to be concerned with the early season events, or maybe this edition just has fewer Aussies.

MCLAY Daniel 120pts 4 teams (a win and a third in Majorcan races)
VERVAEKE Louis 84 23 (a second and a fourth in Majorcan races)
SENNI Manuel 77 4 (3rd in Volta a la Comminitat Valenciana)
LATOUR Pierre 61 23 (4th in Bessèges)
MARECZKO Jakub 48 17 (11th and some stage points in Dubai)
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 46 14 (2 stage wins in San Juan)

Points gained
1 GPBlanco 408 (Vervaeke, Senni, Latour, Mareczko, Gaviria)
2 Madrazo 398 (Vervaeke, Senni, Latour, Mareczko, Gaviria)
3 Kazistuta 396 (McLay, Vervaeke, Latour, Mareczko, Gaviria)
4 HugoKoblet 371(Vervaeke, Latour, Mareczko, Gaviria)
5 Joelsim 358
6 Jakob747 354
7 ItalianGigolo 324
8 Josedin 315
9 Mutschi 314
10 Multispeed 305
11 Nuvolablu 284
12 Asdfgh101 280
13 Snccdcno 274
14 GeraintTooFast 273
15 Leadbelly 262
16 Skidmark 261
17 Alykaptan 255
18 Blues_in_the_Bottle 254
19 Karaev 253
20 Ludwigzgz 246
21 Comodoro 236
22 HilltopFinisher 216
23 RoteLaterne 208
24 Vladimir 196
25 Flo 195
26 AlPacino 187
27 Armchair_Cyclist 185
28 Del1962 177
29 MCMountain 175
30 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 166
31 DJSprtsch 163
32 Ruudz0r 149
33 Scrooll07 74
CollectiveWisdom 336


Standings
A slight increase in the leader's margin, and in that between 2nd and the chasers. Only one positional change: Italian Gigolo leapfrogs Leadbelly for 4th.

1 Madrazo 9823
2 Joelsim 9529
3 Multispeed 8293
4 ItalianGigolo 8190
5 Leadbelly 8179
6 Jakob747 8137
7 HugoKoblet 8128
8 Skidmark 7910
9 Nuvolablu 7900
10 Kazistuta 7785
11 Vladimir 7410
12 MCMountain 7263
13 Karaev 7214
14 Alykaptan 7193
15 GPBlanco 7168
16 HilltopFinisher 6961
17 Ruudz0r 6727
18 Blues_in_the_Bottle 6705
19 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 6481
20 Asdfgh101 6453
21 Snccdcno 6247
22 GeraintTooFast 6045
23 Josedin 5825
24 RoteLaterne 5696
25 Ludwigzgz 5670
26 Mutschi 5514
27 AlPacino 5370
28 Comodoro 5263
29 Del1962 5091
30 Flo 4934
31 Armchair_Cyclist 4760
32 Scrooll07 3306
33 DJSprtsch 2350
CollectiveWisdom 8168
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06 Mar 2017 23:26

Year 3 Month 2 up to 5th March

Still not really taken off this season:
(Name/points/teams)
ROGLIC Primoz 209 1 (GC win and 2 stage podiums in Volta ao Algarve for MCMountain)
NAESEN Oliver 95 10 (top tens in Omloop and Kuurne)
JARAMILLO DIEZ Daniel Alexander 84 1 (GC 4th in Langkawi for Comodoro)
MARECZKO Jakub 70 17 (1st, 1st, 2nd and 4th in Lagkawi stages)
MOHORIC Matej 53 15 (top ten in Laigueglia)


1 Madrazo 443 (Naesen, Mareczko, Mohoric and 11 other scorers)
2 Joelsim 413 (Naesen, Mareczko and 13 other scorers)
3 MCMountain 402 (Roglic and 9 others)
4 Vladimir 395
5 Blues_in_the_Bottle 394
6 HugoKoblet 379
7 ItalianGigolo 377
8 Armchair_Cyclist 350
9 Skidmark 342
10 Multispeed 341
11 Jakob747 335
12 Nuvolablu 334
13 HilltopFinisher 304
14 Leadbelly 301
15 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 284
16 GPBlanco 282
17 Ruudz0r 269
18 Karaev 266
19 Alykaptan 257
20 Josedin 254
21 Ludwigzgz 253
22 AlPacino 229
23 Kazistuta 226
23 Del1962 226
25 Snccdcno 217
26 RoteLaterne 198
27 Mutschi 183
28 Asdfgh101 175
29 Scrooll07 167
30 DJSprtsch 153
31 Comodoro 148
32 Flo 147
33 GeraintTooFast 134
CollectiveWisdom 377

The top 2 in February were already the top two overall: their stranglehold increases. HugoKoblet moves up 2 places for the only drama in the top ten. At least the race for the last podium spot might have some suspense...
1 Madrazo 10266
2 Joelsim 9942
3 Multispeed 8634
4 ItalianGigolo 8567
5 HugoKoblet 8507
6 Leadbelly 8480
7 Jakob747 8472
8 Skidmark 8252
9 Nuvolablu 8234
10 Kazistuta 8011
11 Vladimir 7805
12 MCMountain 7665
13 Karaev 7480
14 GPBlanco 7450
14 Alykaptan 7450
16 HilltopFinisher 7265
17 Blues_in_the_Bottle 7099
18 Ruudz0r 6996
19 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 6765
20 Asdfgh101 6628
21 Snccdcno 6464
22 GeraintTooFast 6179
23 Josedin 6079
24 Ludwigzgz 5923
25 RoteLaterne 5894
26 Mutschi 5697
27 AlPacino 5599
28 Comodoro 5411
29 Del1962 5317
30 Armchair_Cyclist 5110
31 Flo 5081
32 Scrooll07 3473
33 DJSprtsch 2503
CollectiveWisdom 8538
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07 Mar 2017 20:32

Being one spot behind Ludwigzgz in the first edition would have been incredible ...
Thanks for the update.
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05 Apr 2017 10:58

Year 3, Month 3 6th March to 2nd April


Those emerging riders from 27 months ago are now being named among the main contenders in major events, but not many of us recognised who would be doing that.

NAESEN Oliver 231pts for 10 teams (3rd in Harelbeke, 6th in Dwars door Vlaanderen, double figure hauls in Paris-Nice, Gent-Wevelgem and Ronde)
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc 227pts (3rd in Catalunya GC, with stage and mountain classification points, 5th in GP Indurain, stage & GC points in Paris-Nice for Asdfgh101 and Blues in the Bottle)
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 226pts 14 teams (5th in Milan-San Remo, 9th in Gent-Wevelgem, stage win in Tirreno-Adriatico)
ROGLIC Primoz 166 (4th in Tirreno-Adriatico and some stage points for MCMountain)
BOUDAT Thomas 108 16 (2nd in Loire Atlantique and Paris Troyes, stage win in Settimana Coppi e Bartali, points from other Coupe de France events)
DE BUYST Jasper 105 9 (3rd in Ronde van Drenthe, 10th in Dreidaagse GC)
DASSONVILLE Flavien 96 4 (winin Tourangelle, 9th in Loire Atlantique)
LOOIJ André 64 10 (top ten in Nomere and Handzame)

but among those that we all overlooked were:
CALMEJANE Lilian 200 (GC win and stage points in Settimana Coppi e Bartali, KoM winner in Paris-Nice)
AVILA VANEGAS Edwin Alcibiades 141 (GC 2nd and stage pts in Tour of Taiwan)
VAN LERBERGHE Bert 107 (5th in Nokere, 12th in Gent-Wevelgem)
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas 106 (5th in Harelbeke, 15th in Dwars door Vlaanderen)

Points earned
1 Blues_in_the_Bottle 766 (Soler, Gaviria, Boudat and De Buyst)
2 Madrazo 758 (Naesen, Gaviria, Boudat)
3 Skidmark 672 (Naesen, Gaviria, Boudat, but much less from minor scorers than Madrazo)
4 ItalianGigolo 666(Naesen, Gaviria, Boudat, but much less from minor scorers than Madrazo)
4 Asdfgh101 666(Soler, Gaviria, Boudat)
6 Jakob747 626
7 MCMountain 593
8 HugoKoblet 583
9 Joelsim 553
10 Multispeed 545
11 Josedin 537
12 Ruudz0r 500
13 Leadbelly 488
14 Armchair_Cyclist 454
15 Kazistuta 440
16 GPBlanco 383
17 Nuvolablu 375
18 Karaev 358
19 Vladimir 350
20 Ludwigzgz 349
21 Alykaptan 300
22 GeraintTooFast 289
23 HilltopFinisher 285
24 Del1962 270
25 Scrooll07 254
26 Snccdcno 252
27 RoteLaterne 244
28 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 235
29 Flo 197
30 DJSprtsch 194
31 AlPacino 163
32 Comodoro 141
33 Mutschi 113
CollectiveWisdom 516

Standings
Madrazo stretches out his lead by a couple of hundred more points, Joelsim joins him in crossing the 10,000 point marker, Italian Gigolo makes it onto the podium, and Blues in the Bottle is biggest riser with a 4 place improvement.

1 Madrazo 11024
2 Joelsim 10495
3 ItalianGigolo 9233
4 Multispeed 9179
5 Jakob747 9098
6 HugoKoblet 9090
7 Leadbelly 8968
8 Skidmark 8924
9 Nuvolablu 8609
10 Kazistuta 8451
11 MCMountain 8258
12 Vladimir 8155
13 Blues_in_the_Bottle 7865
14 Karaev 7838
15 GPBlanco 7833
16 Alykaptan 7750
17 HilltopFinisher 7550
18 Ruudz0r 7496
19 Asdfgh101 7294
20 The_Fool_on_the_Hill 7000
21 Snccdcno 6716
22 Josedin 6616
23 GeraintTooFast 6468
24 Ludwigzgz 6272
25 RoteLaterne 6138
26 Mutschi 5810
27 AlPacino 5762
28 Del1962 5587
29 Armchair_Cyclist 5564
30 Comodoro 5552
31 Flo 5278
32 Scrooll07 3727
33 DJSprtsch 2697
CollectiveWisdom 8999

The top two have 11 riders in common, so to make the game competitive Joelsim needs his different 7:
BUCHMANN Emanuel
EIKING Odd Christian
VALLEE Boris
RUFFONI Nicola
SARREAU Marc
FOLIFOROV Alexander
CONTRERAS PINZON Rodrigo


to outscore Madrazo's:
MOSCON Gianni
VLIEGEN Loïc
BOUDAT Thomas
MOHORIC Matej
WACKERMANN Luca
SENNI Manuel
VAN DER POEL Mathieu

by about 75 points per rider over the remainder of the year.


I haven't updated the Collective Ignorance hypothetical team for a while, the top 18 riders who none of us selected. It would have a total score of 10796, so closer to Madrazo than any other manager has accomplished.

TORRES AGUDELO Rodolfo Andres 982
CALMEJANE Lilian 870
CLAEYS Dimitri 844
BETTIOL Alberto 743
SMITH Dion 683
CAMPENAERTS Victor 613
BEVIN Patrick 610
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh 602
VAN LERBERGHE Bert 531
MEURISSE Xandro 525
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 520
WÜRTZ SCHMIDT Mads 513
LAPORTE Christophe 512
BRANDAO Joni Silva 475
GERTS Floris 465
MOAZEMI GOUDARZI Arvin 464
BACKAERT Frederik 424
POLITT Nils 420

The top 8 of these are in the top 18 team of eligible riders, which would have a score of 16321:
NAESEN Oliver 1478
ROGLIC Primoz 1385
GAVIRIA RENDON Fernando 1289
LATOUR Pierre 1203
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 1060
TORRES AGUDELO Rodolfo Andres 982
MARECZKO Jakub 978
CALMEJANE Lilian 870
CLAEYS Dimitri 844
MCLAY Daniel 823
MOSCON Gianni 822
BETTIOL Alberto 743
SMITH Dion 683
KÜNG Stefan 632
TURGIS Anthony 614
CAMPENAERTS Victor 613
BEVIN Patrick 610
ANDERSEN Søren Kragh 602

Madrazo's score is 67.5% of this perfection, DJSprtsch's is 16.5%
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