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Race Design Challenge

10 Jul 2015 20:00

The time has come for my race design challenge, people!

The idea is fairly simple. As you surely know, the 2017 Giro will be in fact the 100th edition. As such, everyone expects a route which has to be "meaningful" for the history and tradition of the Giro and/or Italy itself.

You'll have to design your own 100th Giro.

The rules are the following:
- Start and finish must be placed in Italy
- Can't have more than 2 stages abroad
- All the stupid UCI constraints are in effect. I want a believable route. If you need, you can ask the jury for an exception.
- Transfers of more than 75 kms can be made only during rest days

The jury:
- I'll be part of it :p
- I'm looking for a couple more members. If you want to apply, just send me a PM. I will announce the jury as soon as it is decided.
- Keep in mind that jury members will not compete, so if you wanna design a Giro, you can't be part of the jury

The competition:
Every participant will post one stage every other day. The jury will assign points to the best routes the day after each round. This system will hopefully encourage people to care about the progression of their stages and prevent overly backloaded routes. And it will add suspence to the competition ;) The points to be assigned will increase in the third week, and the last votation will have the highest number of points to assign. But even so, you don't want to fall back at the beginning.

I will post more details once I have a better idea of how many members are participating.

If you want to participate as a contestant, sign up on this thread or PM me. I will keep a list of players in this post.

The showcase will start on Monday, August 17th, when all players will have to post their stage 1 (the deadline will be at midnight UTC time). On Tuesday 18th the jury will assign the first points, and on the 19th it'll be time for stage 2 and so on.

You basically have the whole tdf to plan your route ;) Good luck!

EDIT:
And here we have the FINAL CLASSIFICATION!!!!!!!!

1. Barmaher 643

2. Gigs 636

3. Libertine 634

4. Brullnux 597
5. Stromeon 591
6. Billie 534
7. Finn 467


The routes:
Barmaher
Billie
Brullnux
Finn
Gigs
Libertine
Stromeon
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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Re: Race Design Challenge

11 Jul 2015 13:24

Is there any rule how big a town has to be to host a stage finish
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11 Jul 2015 13:26

Big enough so it could realistically host a finish? I guess it's up to the jury to estimate how big that is, though it's not as big a problem in the Giro as in the Tour.
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11 Jul 2015 15:02

Netserk wrote:Big enough so it could realistically host a finish? I guess it's up to the jury to estimate how big that is, though it's not as big a problem in the Giro as in the Tour.

Hey will you play or what? ;)

No, there won't be any limit on the town size. There must be a town though :p You can't end a stage in the middle of a road
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11 Jul 2015 15:05

Dunno if I'll play or not. We'll see.
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19 Jul 2015 13:14

All things considered, the challenge start will be postponed for two weeks. It'll start on August 17th. Hope it is ok for everybody :)
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Re: Race Design Challenge

06 Aug 2015 12:00

1.) I don't know if I have already written that but I will participate
2.) I think you wrote somewhere in the Race Design Thread that we are allowed to make a transfer of over 75 km's before the last stage if this last stage is either a typical flat mass start stage or a rather short ITT, but I couldn't find that post. Is this now really allowed and what is the maximum length of such a stage (I think you wrote that in this post too but as I already wrote, I can't find it)
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Re: Race Design Challenge

06 Aug 2015 12:09

Gigs_98 wrote:1.) I don't know if I have already written that but I will participate
2.) I think you wrote somewhere in the Race Design Thread that we are allowed to make a transfer of over 75 km's before the last stage if this last stage is either a typical flat mass start stage or a rather short ITT, but I couldn't find that post. Is this now really allowed and what is the maximum length of such a stage (I think you wrote that in this post too but as I already wrote, I can't find it)

There it is :) yes I confirm it is allowed, on those conditions
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1757120#p1757120
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Re: Race Design Challenge

06 Aug 2015 12:12

Eshnar wrote:
Gigs_98 wrote:1.) I don't know if I have already written that but I will participate
2.) I think you wrote somewhere in the Race Design Thread that we are allowed to make a transfer of over 75 km's before the last stage if this last stage is either a typical flat mass start stage or a rather short ITT, but I couldn't find that post. Is this now really allowed and what is the maximum length of such a stage (I think you wrote that in this post too but as I already wrote, I can't find it)

There it is :) yes I confirm it is allowed, on those conditions
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1757120#p1757120

Thx :)
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10 Aug 2015 07:41

Only one week to go. Please all participants send me a PM (or just post here) to confirm your participation :) In the next couple days I will announce the jury and the details of the point system
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11 Aug 2015 08:39

I plan on entering. Thanks for organising. My Giro is probably going to be shite, but I will put myself up for humiliation.
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11 Aug 2015 09:09

barmaher wrote:I plan on entering. Thanks for organising. My Giro is probably going to be shite, but I will put myself up for humiliation.

don't say thing like that, you should act as a good GT organizer and overhype your own race :p
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11 Aug 2015 12:31

Under promise.

Over deliver.
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11 Aug 2015 18:07

I shall enter, but my route is something of a rush. I shan't be able to do my eighty-paragraph stage summaries that I usually end up doing on the RDT here either I fear, do we just post the route or do we do a brief summary of the reasoning behind choosing that stage?
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11 Aug 2015 18:28

Libertine Seguros wrote:I shall enter, but my route is something of a rush. I shan't be able to do my eighty-paragraph stage summaries that I usually end up doing on the RDT here either I fear, do we just post the route or do we do a brief summary of the reasoning behind choosing that stage?

Whatever you want. The brief summary gets you style points, but the competition is about the route only. ;)
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12 Aug 2015 14:58

Are there points for how a route hangs together overall?

So my route has two themes.....

I try to visit every region in mainland Italy for either a stage start or a stage finish.
I try to pay homage to the classics. Lombardia, Strade Bianche, Roma Maxima and Milan San Remo will be addressed.

If you are judging every route by its individual stages, I may suffer.

Furthermore, my rough draft final week has two flat stages. I want to encourage racing on certain days. Am I shooting myself in the foot?
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12 Aug 2015 17:09

barmaher wrote:Are there points for how a route hangs together overall?

So my route has two themes.....

I try to visit every region in mainland Italy for either a stage start or a stage finish.
I try to pay homage to the classics. Lombardia, Strade Bianche, Roma Maxima and Milan San Remo will be addressed.

If you are judging every route by its individual stages, I may suffer.

Furthermore, my rough draft final week has two flat stages. I want to encourage racing on certain days. Am I shooting myself in the foot?

the jury will judge each stage based on all they know at that point. So on stage 12 they'll judge all the stages up to the 12th

as for the last question, I don't see the problem. It depends really
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12 Aug 2015 17:49

OK, that makes sense I think.

I thought each stage was judged discretely, with more weighting being given to week 3. Seems like I misinterpreted, which is cool. So it is not a big deal to have a flat stage on Stage 17, as it will be judged in the context of the previous weeks.

Thanks, and sorry to be pedantic.
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Re: Race Design Challenge

13 Aug 2015 22:43

OVERVIEW
100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 1: Milano - Verona (211 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 2: Verona - Padova (141 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 3: Abano Terme - Bologna (201 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 4: Bologna - Ancona (226 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 5: Jesi - Sarnano (198 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 6: Ascoli Piceno - Chieti (161 km)
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100th GIRO D ITALIA stage 7: Francavilla al Mare - Lanciano (50 km ITT)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 8: Lanciano - Blockhaus (186 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 9: Sulmona - Vesuvio (237 km)
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100th GIRO'ITALIA stage 10: Formia - Roma (201 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 11: Rieti - Terminillo (23 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 12: Narni - Montalcino (188 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 13: Siena - Pisa (170 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 14: Pisa - Rapallo (219 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 15: Genova - Sanremo (195 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 16: Cuneo - Sestriere (167 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 17: Susa - Pinerolo (247 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 18: Torino - Como (235 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 19: Bergamo - Aprica (191 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 20: Tirano - Sulden (147 km)
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100th GIRO D'ITALIA stage 21: Milano - Milano (24 km ITT)
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Re: Race Design Challenge

14 Aug 2015 06:28

Gigs_98 wrote:How many people are participating?

I would say 7 people, but I'm still awaiting confirmation by a few of them.

The jury will be composed by three judges:
- Me
- Pricey_sky
- Mayomaniac

I take the chance to thank bot of them for applying :)
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