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13 Sep 2016 07:31

vredeling wrote:It was a very nice game. See you next...... Giro?


Plenty you can do before that.

33 riders with a total cost of 7500 for the whole year: the main game. Closing date usually just after New Year.

12-15 riders, 1st year pro or U25 and never a pro, budget 1000 pts with about the same start date and a full year duration: the Youth game.

18 riders with a lifetime CQ of less than 200 pts each (no restriction on total spend, except the logical 3582 limit) with scores tracked for 3 years: enter by the end of January. (The Emerging Riders game)

Then you have the first leg of the Four Seasons championship: Spring Classics (12 riders, 3000 pt budget, about 20 one day races from Omloop to Liege)

Then the Giro (same rules as the Vuelta) and the Tour (same rules, slightly larger budget).

You might find you need therapy after a few years of trying every game...
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13 Sep 2016 08:13

Armchair cyclist wrote:
vredeling wrote:It was a very nice game. See you next...... Giro?


Plenty you can do before that.

33 riders with a total cost of 7500 for the whole year: the main game. Closing date usually just after New Year.

12-15 riders, 1st year pro or U25 and never a pro, budget 1000 pts with about the same start date and a full year duration: the Youth game.

18 riders with a lifetime CQ of less than 200 pts each (no restriction on total spend, except the logical 3582 limit) with scores tracked for 3 years: enter by the end of January. (The Emerging Riders game)

Then you have the first leg of the Four Seasons championship: Spring Classics (12 riders, 3000 pt budget, about 20 one day races from Omloop to Liege)

Then the Giro (same rules as the Vuelta) and the Tour (same rules, slightly larger budget).

You might find you need therapy after a few years of trying every game...


Not on this forum, but Cyclogame starts in a couple of days.
Similar concept as this game, but for cyclo-cross.
www.cyclogame.net
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Re:

13 Sep 2016 08:56

Armchair cyclist wrote:
Best possible team (as far as I can find)
(Name, cost, points, picks)
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 1775 934 2
YATES Simon 365 315 26
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David 95 288 6
FELLINE Fabio 685 268 0
TALANSKY Andrew 393 248 14
WYSS Danilo 91 65 0
SCHWARZMANN Michael 59 60 1
QUEMENEUR Perrig 20 40 4
PAULINHO Sergio Miguel Moreira 10 15 6

This lot has a total score of 2233, and with a popularity score of 59, would have been the second lowest team in popularity. The least popular squad: Vladimir's.


Not sure how Felline ended up in this team. The following team scored 2536 points. (Further improvements to this team are possible, I think)
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David
QUEMENEUR Perrig
SILIN Egor
GESINK Robert
YATES Simon
ELISSONDE Kenny
MEERSMAN Gianni
TALANSKY Andrew
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander
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13 Sep 2016 10:04

Hakkie2 wrote:
Armchair cyclist wrote:
Best possible team (as far as I can find)
(Name, cost, points, picks)
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 1775 934 2
YATES Simon 365 315 26
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David 95 288 6
FELLINE Fabio 685 268 0
TALANSKY Andrew 393 248 14
WYSS Danilo 91 65 0
SCHWARZMANN Michael 59 60 1
QUEMENEUR Perrig 20 40 4
PAULINHO Sergio Miguel Moreira 10 15 6

This lot has a total score of 2233, and with a popularity score of 59, would have been the second lowest team in popularity. The least popular squad: Vladimir's.


Not sure how Felline ended up in this team. The following team scored 2536 points. (Further improvements to this team are possible, I think)
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David
QUEMENEUR Perrig
SILIN Egor
GESINK Robert
YATES Simon
ELISSONDE Kenny
MEERSMAN Gianni
TALANSKY Andrew
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander


Felline ended up there because I made a quick, albeit flawed, attempt to find the best permutation.

But yes, that group fits the budget with 24 points to spare, for a total, as you say, of 2536, thanks. But still only three of the Collective Wisdom picks make that group.
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13 Sep 2016 11:32

This is I believe the most popular winning team. It would have been possible to just beat Vladimir with this team (1768 vs 1763).
It's a team with Contador!

Peraud
Yates
Frank
Meersman
Talansky
Contador
Gesink
Scarponi
Konig

157 selections in total, for a cost of 'only' 3190 CQ.
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13 Sep 2016 22:58

It is good to know that one can win without having the race winner (even when that winner has racked up 216 leader jersey points as well), and that our popular selections were not universally hopeless: good work.
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19 Sep 2016 02:12

Armchair cyclist wrote:
shalgo wrote:
vredeling wrote:Feel ur pain Shalgo. Let's announce a cooperation: Team Shalgo-Vredeling.


That is a generous offer, considering how well your team is doing. At least Frank's 5 points nearly doubled my point total today.


If you were to replace Lopez, Kruijswijk, Vervaeke and Pardilla from Vredeling's team, and replace them with Contador, Talansky, Restrepo and Peraud from Shalgo's selection, you would still be within budget, and would be in fourth place.

The two of you are among 10 teams that have lost both Kruijswijk and Lopez: there are only 7 teams that has not suffered the loss of one or other of them (AmisVelo, BigMac, GeraintTooFast, Leadbelly, Rote_Laterne, USPostal, Vladimir).


I went back and examined this hypothetical Vredeling/Shalgo team (Contador, Talansky, Restrepo, Peraud, Yates, Hermans, Meersman, Cort Nielsen, and Geniez). If I am reading the final workbook correctly, this team would have ended up with 1600 points--a podium finish, but still not good enough to win.
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