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The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

15 Dec 2016 21:46

Hi all, and welcome to the 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Game! This is the seventh edition of the game. Please see below for some history, basics, and more specific rules related to dates, dopers, etc.

History

The game was launched on December 8th 2010 by cyclingnews forum poster Hugo Koblet. His idea was to have a game where you build a cycling team from the website cqranking.com and its comprehensive numerical rankings of riders. What was originally meant to be a 25-team max competition that Hugo reserved the right to cancel if there was lack of interest became the most successful game in cyclingnews forum history, and has expanded to velorooms forums as well.

Hugo successfully ran the game for 3 years, and it bred various offshoots, such as a youth game, seasonal games (classics and GTs), emerging riders and riders in decline games. I took over organizing the main game for 2014 when Hugo got too busy, and have done so for the past three years.

Some statistics:

2011 – 87 participants
1. ingsve – 13897 points
2. Waterloo Sunrise – 13450
3. mc_mountain – 12670

2012 – 129 participants
1. skidmark – 19345 points
2. Kvinto – 18087
3. Nyssinator – 17761

2013 – 132 participants
1. SteelyDan – 13094 points
2. Geraint Too Fast – 13074
3. will10 – 12986

2014 – 150 participants
1. Pentacycle – 14367 points
2. Cykeltyven – 13693
3. Ruudz0r - 13609

2015 – 155 participants
1. Cykeltyven – 16209 points
2. skidmark - 15616
3. snccdcno - 15412

2016 – 144 participants
1. skidmark – 15392 points
2. jeroenk - 14707
3. abbulf - 14448

That is it for preamble. Let’s go through the more comprehensive set of rules:

Basics

The game is based on the point system developed by the website www.cqranking.com. Based on this system you will have to select a team of between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points. 7500 points is a fair bit under the mean for the ProTour teams whose mean for 2016 is 8581 (although the median is 7564, much closer). 7500 is closest to the amount of points Cannondale-Drapac made this season, the 10th ranked of the 18 WT teams.

Your aim then is to select a team of riders who will increase their 2016 score the most during the 2017 season. The winner of the game is the one who has selected the team with the highest combined value when the game ends.


1. How the game works

1.1. Start & Finish
The season starts when the first race giving CQ points is held (which is the Aussie National TT Championships on January 5th) and ends when the last major race (.1 or higher) is held. The winner will be crowned when the next update after the last major race is out.*

*An extension will be granted to the end of season if it is very close at the top. If any teams are within 100 points of the leader after the last major race, the season will be automatically extended until the final race of the year unless all teams within 100 points explicitly concede. As well, anyone in the top 10 can extend the season by PMing me a request to do so before the last major race starts.

(The reason for this rule is that although minor races go through December, it is rare to have a rider in the game participate in these races, so it is sensible to end the season when people are still generally watching cycling. But if it's a very close race, it's important to crown the person who picked the best team for the year.)

1.2 Updates
Each week we will publish an update with a top 10 and a list of the high scorers and high jumpers. This will sometimes be by me, and sometimes by others – I will be setting a tentative schedule based on volunteers.

2. On doping

2.1. On ex-dopers
All riders are available to choose, except for riders who are provisionally suspended by the UCI (as of their most recent list).

Riders who have been suspended for doping and had that affect their 2016 score will not be available simply for their 2016 score. Instead, a rider’s value will be equivalent to that of his last full season; or, if he has more recently had a (not full, due to suspension) season in which he has earned more points, that season represents his value. Riders who have been suspended by the UCI (ie. Not merely provisionally suspended) are on this list. **note that this year there is the exceptional case of some riders that are on this list but were found to have no fault. Those riders are available at 2016 score as there was essentially no doping infraction**

Therefore, you can pick any rider you like, but if you want to take Luca Paolini, for example, he won't cost the 0 points he earned in 2016 (he was suspended all year). His suspension began in 2015 so his last 'full' season was 2014, in which he scored 95 points. However, since he scored more in his 'partial' 2015 season, his cost is instead the 273 points he scored in that season.

Hopefully the lists I've provided and the rules are clear enough, but if you make an error I will try to let you know if any of your submissions fall into this category.

2.2. Riders getting caught during the season
If you include a rider in your team who gets caught with his hands in the cookie jar, nothing happens right away. Your rider keeps his points unless the cqranking.com deletes his results before the end of the game.

Basically, the value of a rider on cqranking.com always stands.

3. Submitting your team

3.1. How do I?

You pick between 25 and 33 riders whose combined value doesn’t exceed 7500 points and send the list to me.

As I will manually have to include the teams into the Microsoft Excel file which keeps track of the scores, please be careful that you send your team to me based on the correct formula. I don’t take any responsibility for any error you might make. If I spot an error I will do my best to contact you but I can’t guarantee anything. Of course, if you have any questions feel free to ask either here in this thread or by sending a personal message.

The layout you need to use is this:

VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro
CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto
Etc.

Nothing else. No points after the name. Also, be careful that there is no “space” after the name, because I will have to delete it manually, but can't always detect these things in time for the game. If there is an error that isn't discovered until after the game starts, the rider will simply be deleted from the team without replacement.

To make things easier for both you and me I will link to a file for you to download in which you can type in your team and it will automatically show you the value of each rider as well as the aggregated value of your team. Then you will just have to copy your team (names only) directly from this file and send it to me.

Hopefully this clears any misunderstandings of a rider’s value as well as reduces the number of errors made in a team sent to me.

3.2. When do I?
The first race of the season will start January 5, so I want to have your team in hand on January 3 at the latest.

There are two deadlines: a submission deadline and a revision/publication deadline, spaced 24 hours apart. This is to address the issue brought up in recent years about whether it is 'fair' to allow changes after teams have seen the teams of other players, and for 'late' submissions. I would like to make this a game that is accessible to as many people as possible, yet preserve that element of fairness. So, the submission deadline will be when I want to have received all the teams. The revision and publication deadline is to allow a 24-hour period for me to look over the teams and allow a chance to people to change their team in case of error, before having access to a list of riders that other teams picked. If you get mixed up with the time zone or unexpectedly don't have internet access around the submission deadline, I will accept teams up to the revision deadline at my discretion, but if allowed those teams will not have the chance to revise in case of error.

The submission deadline is 23:59 (CET) January 2nd, so early January 3rd for Aussies and sometime earlier on January 2nd for North Americans. The revision and publication deadline is 24 hours later; I would ask that people refrain from posting the riders on their team until after that, so midnight CET on the start of January 4th.

Please note that even though it feels as though the season is over, it’s actually not. There are still racing to be done and CQ points to be handed out that could affect the value of a rider you have picked. It is always possible that an obscure rider may score points in a small race at the end of season, or that CQ will adjust points for an earlier season race for whatever reason (eg. readjusting points for suspended dopers) Be mindful of these changes.

cqranking.com usually uploads the final update of the season on December 31, and the values in this update are the ones we’re using. However, the changes are usually very small so there’s no reason why you can’t start selecting your team already today!

**Disclaimer: ensuring your team is full of eligible riders and is on budget is your responsibility. If I notice you are over budget or have an ineligible rider I will send you a message, but if you don't get back to me in time, or I don't catch it before the deadline, I will simply remove one rider to make your budget work. Obviously it is to your advantage to be able to choose all your riders, so please be diligent.**

Create Your Team

Hugo created a very helpful file in 2012, referred to above, that helps avoid any errors in calculation and helps ensure you are formatting your rider names correctly. I would encourage everyone to use this option, especially if you are not confident in your spreadsheet creating skills. Please use the file attached here to create your team, then copy and paste the rider names to send to me by PM once you have it correct. Thank you.

**note: the 'create your team' file has not yet been manually updated to include different scores for dopers as per rule 2.1, so it is currently wholly your responsibility to account for this.**

I think that about covers everything. If you have any questions or if I forgot to add or explain anything, please let me know.

Have fun and remember to visit www.cqranking.com! Without their great work it wouldn’t be possible to have this game.

This game is also being run through velorooms.com forums, and you can submit a team to me through either here or there. Updates will also be posted to both places.
Last edited by skidmark on 26 Dec 2016 23:07, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

15 Dec 2016 21:47

This post is reserved to list submitted teams as they come in. If you have submitted a team recently and don't see it appear within 24 hours, please message me to see what is up. Teams on the list marked with an asterisk need a change, and I have messaged you with the details.

Here's an alphabetical list of teams I have confirmed as of a few hours before publication deadline - if you don't see your name on it and sent your team in, let me know asap.

18-valve
abbulf
adamski101
al_pacino
AlyKaptan
ansimi
Archieboy
Armchair Cyclist
armchairclimber
AupaPyama
barmaher
Bicycle Boy
Blues in the Bottle
bminchow
bort
Brullnux
Carlo Algatrensig
ChrisDK
comodoro
Cqmanager
CraZyCaLL
Crevaison
del1962
DFA123
DJ Sprtsch
DJW
Eric10
escartin
Eyeballs Out
Falze
fauniera
Ferminal
freshman
Geraint Too Fast
Gigs_98
Googolplex
Gotland
GP Blanco
greenedge
Guigsteam
Guybrush
hakkie2
HelgeBlendet
Hugo Koblet
Hugo87
Italian Gigolo
Jakob 747
Jancouver
JeroenK
Joelsim
Josedin
Jpettersen
just some guy
kabete
Karaev
Kazistuta
Kjellus
Kryvo
laarsland
LaFlorecita
Leadbelly
lenissart
LightBing
Londonpat
LosBrolin
Ludwigzgz
LukasCPH
Maaaaarten
MADRAZO
Magnumpti
Martin
Mellow Velo
merengues
minessa
Nicosix
nuvolablu
Object
oliveira
Pentacycle
PeterB
Pirrewiet
Poles & Co.
Polliwop
Popchu
postmanhat*
PremierAndrew*
PunchingRouleur
R_O_Shipman
Roar Like A Mouse
rote_lanterne
Russell23
SafeBet
Schleckamagurky
scrooll07
search
shalgo
Shawnm4747
Simple
skidmark
Slapshot
snccdcno
Sneekes
sodak_za
Spice Girls
Squire
sublimit
Team Roubaix
the asian
the attacking vikings
Tigerion
togo95
tom-jelte
torcia_86
Total Package
trackstand
Trudgin
Tych23
VeloRooms
Vesica
vladimir
vroome.exe
Wallenquist
will10
WKA311
Yellow Knight
zlev11
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16 Dec 2016 01:51

Thanks! So far I have changed my team about 15 times and I'm sure I will change it 20 more times by the deadline :D
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16 Dec 2016 07:02

Great! Here we go again. Can't wait to the holidays so that I can start working on my team. I probably say this every year, but I think it's particularly hard to make a good team this year. There are some obvious picks, but apart from those I think we'll see a big diversion in team selection this year.
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16 Dec 2016 10:55

Skidmark, thank you for running this game. I am already working on my team hoping to improve this year's result.
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Re: The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

16 Dec 2016 18:03

Already started to build my team... This year looks harder than ever before because there are so many good picks! It looks impossible for me to fit all this picks in my team so I will either have to get rid of my 2 800+ picks or just not pick some 350-450 riders... This is so hard!

Do you guys like any 1000 + picks this year?

PS: Big thanks to Skidmark for running the game!
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Re: The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

16 Dec 2016 21:07

Karaev1 wrote:Already started to build my team... This year looks harder than ever before because there are so many good picks! It looks impossible for me to fit all this picks in my team so I will either have to get rid of my 2 800+ picks or just not pick some 350-450 riders... This is so hard!

Do you guys like any 1000 + picks this year?

PS: Big thanks to Skidmark for running the game!

I'm only considering one 1000+ rider, but I don't think he'll make it into my team. Although I'm beginning to doubt one of my other expensive picks, so I might end up including the 1000+ rider after all.
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16 Dec 2016 21:22

I fully agree with Karaev1 that there are almost too many obvious picks for next year. I am in the process of creating a short/longlist of riders I think needs to be in my team for 2017. So far I have found 58 but I'm sure the list will grow over the next week... None of the 58 are 800+ on current CQ ranking so I expect that the highest ranked rider in my team will be in the 700 points fraction for next year.
BTW I finished 40th this year without Gaviria and Superman Lopez. So I try to be focused on the young Colombians for 2017; still Bernal is currently not among my 58 :p
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Re: The 2017 CQ Ranking Manager Thread

16 Dec 2016 21:32

Karaev1 wrote:Already started to build my team... This year looks harder than ever before because there are so many good picks! It looks impossible for me to fit all this picks in my team so I will either have to get rid of my 2 800+ picks or just not pick some 350-450 riders... This is so hard!

Do you guys like any 1000 + picks this year?

PS: Big thanks to Skidmark for running the game!


I'm considering a 3000+ rider. ;)

After all, just about every year, I choose with my heart. I think 4500 points is doable for my top pick next year :surprised:
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16 Dec 2016 21:41

Out all of the expensive picks, with a little bit of luck, all these riders have a realistic potential to double their points next year. Even guys like Cavendish can do it. After all, this year, he wasted half of his season on riding track and the Olympics so 2000+ points would be no surprise.

7. (5) ESP CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto TNK 06/12/1982 1698
13. (40) COL CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban OBE 17/01/1990 1314
14. (51) ESP IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion MOV 04/02/1989 1291
15. (15) NED DUMOULIN Tom TGA 11/11/1990 1260
16. (36) GBR CAVENDISH Mark DDD 21/05/1985 1251
18. (17) AUS MATTHEWS Michael OBE 26/09/1990 1234
19. (11) ITA NIBALI Vincenzo AST 14/11/1984 1217
20. (435) GER KITTEL Marcel EQS 11/05/1988 1198
21. (20) FRA BOUHANNI Nacer COF 25/07/1990 1176
24. (44) FRA ALAPHILIPPE Julian EQS 11/06/1992 1151
25. (14) AUS PORTE Richie BMC 30/01/1985 1109
26. (10) FRA PINOT Thibaut FDJ 29/05/1990 1104
28. (12) GER GREIPEL André LTS 16/07/1982 1071
30. (90) IRL MARTIN Daniel EQS 20/08/1986 993
31. (117) FRA DEMARE Arnaud FDJ 26/08/1991 980
33. (33) POL MAJKA Rafal TNK 12/09/1989 967
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16 Dec 2016 22:55

Jancouver wrote:Out all of the expensive picks, with a little bit of luck, all these riders have a realistic potential to double their points next year. Even guys like Cavendish can do it. After all, this year, he wasted half of his season on riding track and the Olympics so 2000+ points would be no surprise.

7. (5) ESP CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto TNK 06/12/1982 1698
13. (40) COL CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban OBE 17/01/1990 1314
14. (51) ESP IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion MOV 04/02/1989 1291
15. (15) NED DUMOULIN Tom TGA 11/11/1990 1260
16. (36) GBR CAVENDISH Mark DDD 21/05/1985 1251
18. (17) AUS MATTHEWS Michael OBE 26/09/1990 1234
19. (11) ITA NIBALI Vincenzo AST 14/11/1984 1217
20. (435) GER KITTEL Marcel EQS 11/05/1988 1198
21. (20) FRA BOUHANNI Nacer COF 25/07/1990 1176
24. (44) FRA ALAPHILIPPE Julian EQS 11/06/1992 1151
25. (14) AUS PORTE Richie BMC 30/01/1985 1109
26. (10) FRA PINOT Thibaut FDJ 29/05/1990 1104
28. (12) GER GREIPEL André LTS 16/07/1982 1071
30. (90) IRL MARTIN Daniel EQS 20/08/1986 993
31. (117) FRA DEMARE Arnaud FDJ 26/08/1991 980
33. (33) POL MAJKA Rafal TNK 12/09/1989 967


Chaves will be similar to this year.
Skyline Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPjM6rZ4pN0
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Canton Ave Climb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C90ZPlbEfmU
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17 Dec 2016 02:01

So many big decisions this year!
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19 Dec 2016 07:42

vladimir wrote:BTW I finished 40th this year without Gaviria and Superman Lopez. So I try to be focused on the young Colombians for 2017; still Bernal is currently not among my 58 :p


Bernal was on my longlist but he didn't make a cut. I'm curiuos to see how many guys will finally pick him.

PS: Team sent. 33 riders, 7496 points.
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19 Dec 2016 09:09

There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest this time around, going by this thread alone. We could be looking at a record low number of entrants, apart from the first edition. Does anyone know if the game is being promoted on other platforms such as Twitter, like it was a few years ago? (I ditched my social media accounts years ago due to time constraints)
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19 Dec 2016 09:36

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest this time around, going by this thread alone. We could be looking at a record low number of entrants, apart from the first edition. Does anyone know if the game is being promoted on other platforms such as Twitter, like it was a few years ago? (I ditched my social media accounts years ago due to time constraints)


It could be that less is posted because there are no big changes this year like there were last year with the polka dot jersey etc..
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19 Dec 2016 10:06

I sent in my team as well. With Bernal included, but I also had him out of my team on several occasions.
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19 Dec 2016 10:37

Maybe we should start trash talking to drum up interest and excitement.

I am going to take all of you guys down.Most likely in a humiliating fashion.
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19 Dec 2016 11:55

Jancouver wrote:Out all of the expensive picks, with a little bit of luck, all these riders have a realistic potential to double their points next year.


You're such as optimistic person:) I think some of them will find it hard to equal their points from last year, but go on, I love the gamble too:)
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19 Dec 2016 12:30

Maybe we can list all the 0-pointers available, so Jancouver can make a team of 6 expensive guys and 27 0-pointers? If those expensive guys all double their points as Jancouver says, he scores 15000 points and likely wins :razz:
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19 Dec 2016 13:13

Hakkie2 wrote:Maybe we can list all the 0-pointers available, so Jancouver can make a team of 6 expensive guys and 27 0-pointers? If those expensive guys all double their points as Jancouver says, he scores 15000 points and likely wins :razz:

Now that would be an epic victory!
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