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17 Apr 2017 15:38

So it appears that CQ put up a set of results that excluded many finishers, including Naesen who should have got 30 points each for the top two (Just Some Guy and AG) and also for ChrisDK. There were also five extra selected finishers, one of whom meant that The Pirate, not Hakkie, is in the top ten, and the gap between AG (who was top scorer on the day, not 2nd) and third place overall is now 100 points. Points for Benoot, Langeveld and Felline are lower when account is finally made of those who finished above them.

I checked whether the results in 17 previous races had been revised, but the only relevant difference is 5 points fewer for ChrisDK as CQ now have it that Gijs Van Hoecke, rather than Robert Wagner (as originally reported), finished 57th in Gent-Wevelgem.

With today's news of Gilbert being out of the rest of the week's races, I guess JSG looks virtually uncatchable.
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19 Apr 2017 22:22

Race 19: Fleche Wallonne

The first two finishers were too pricey to be realistic picks for this game, but the previously disappointing fairly popular pick who took the last podium spot has turned himself into a very worthwhile buy.

TEUNS Dylan 3rd, 112pts 11 teams
ALBASINI Michael 5th, 86pts 2 teams
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 7th, 66pts, 7 teams
VANENDERT Jelle 19pts 1 team
SLAGTER Tom-Jelte 15 1
VUILLERMOZ Alexis 10 2
and 13 other 5 point finishers

1 DJW 198 (Teuns, Albasini)
2 Kazistuta 183 (Teuns, Kwiatkowski, a fiver)
3 Search 132 (Teuns, Slagter, a fiver)
4 ChrisDK 117 (Teuns and a fiver)
4 Shalgo 117
4 Trudgin 117
7 AmisVelo 112 (Teuns)
7 Archieboy 112
7 Armchair 112
7 Russell23 112
7 Squire 112
12 Comodoro 86
13 Del1962 71
13 EvansIsTheBest 71
13 MellowVelo 71
13 Togo95 71
17 JustSomeGuy 66
17 LosBrolin 66
19 Vladimir 19
20 AupaPyama 15
20 NotMyCircus 15
22 Crevaison 10
22 Laarsland 10
22 Scrool07 10
25 All_In 5
25 Carlo_Algatrensig 5
25 Joelsim 5
25 Josedin 5
25 Spokenspin 5
25 The_Asian 5
31= 13 non-scoring teams


Standings

Kazistuta (courtesy of Kwiatkowski, Teuns, Haas and Benoot) has been the post-cobble star: he was 12th after Paris Roubaix, now up to 2nd. But nearly 200 pts adrift: he would need Kwiatkowski to fail, and something way beyond expectation from his other three to close that gap. The battle for the podium is still live though.

DJW has an 11 place improvement, but like many of us, too little too late.

1 JustSomeGuy 1967
2 Kazistuta 1789
3 AG 1783
4 Shalgo 1755
5 EvansIsTheBest 1754
6 MellowVelo 1739
7 Del1962 1627
8 Togo95 1614
9 All_In 1568
10 Laarsland 1484
10 ThePirate81 1484
12 Hakkie 1483
13 Russell23 1414
14 LosBrolin 1405
15 DJSprtsch 1379
16 Archieboy 1353
17 Joelsim 1315
18 Armchair 1303
19 GPBlanco 1275
19 Vladimir 1275
21 Kjellus 1273
22 RoteLaterne 1266
23 DJW 1258
24 GeraintTooFast 1245
25 Squire 1230
26 AmisVelo 1226
27 TomJelte 1196
28 LightBing 1163
29 Madrazo 1130
30 The_Asian 1123
31 Search 1114
32 Crevaison 1107
33 Comodoro 1083
34 Spokenspin 1081
35 Leadbelly 1079
36 NotMyCircus 1074
37 SemirS 1061
38 ChrisDK 944
39 Scrool07 937
40 AupaPyama 712
41 Josedin 596
42 Trudgin 586
43 Carlo_Algatrensig 511
CollectiveWisdom 1418
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23 Apr 2017 20:15

The Final Event

Race 20: Liege-Bastogne-Liege


There were scenarios around good, but not impossible, performances from Teuns and Haas that might have seen a change in the outcome of the game, but it didn't happen.

Instead, the rider who has been the most popular of the big scorers was again our main scorer.

KWIATKOWSKI Michal 3rd, 145 pts for 7 teams
ALBASINI Michael 7th, 90 pts for 2 teams
VAN AVERMAET Greg 54 pts for 1 team
FELLINE Fabio 32 pts for 3 teams
SIMON Julien 28pts 3 teams
VANENDERT Jelle 26 1
TEUNS Dylan 16 11
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 14 1
VUILLERMOZ Alexis 7 2
plus 15 five point finishers

Points today
1 MellowVelo 182 (Kwiatkowski, Felline and 1 fiver)
2 LosBrolin 177 (Kwiatkowski, Felline)
3 Kazistuta 166 (Kwiatkowski, Teuns and 1 fiver)
4 Del1962 155 (Kwiatkowski and 2 fivers)
5 EvansIsTheBest 150
5 Togo95 150
7 JustSomeGuy 145
8 Comodoro 122 (Albasini and Felline)
9 DJW 106 (Albasini and Teuns)
10 All_In 59
11 Search 49
12 Trudgin 36
13 ChrisDK 35
14 Scrool07 28
14 The_Asian 28
16 Vladimir 26
17 Shalgo 21
18 AmisVelo 16
18 Archieboy 16
18 Armchair 16
18 Russell23 16
18 Squire 16
23 NotMyCircus 15
24 AupaPyama 12
25 Crevaison 7
26 Carlo_Algatrensig 5
26 GeraintTooFast 5
26 Josedin 5
26 Madrazo 5
26 Spokenspin 5
13 teams failed to score.

Final standings

Just Some Guy took the lead after race 11 (Dwars voor Vlaanderen), and has stayed there ever since.
Kazistuta hung on for 2nd, and top score on the day gets Mellow Velo, just, onto the podium. A final burst gats Los Brolin into the final top ten. The consolation to those in the crowded mid-table that is a mention as top riser of the day, is shared this final time by Comodoro and DJW.

1 JustSomeGuy 2112
2 Kazistuta 1955
3 MellowVelo 1921
4 EvansIsTheBest 1904
5 AG 1783
6 Del1962 1782
7 Shalgo 1776
8 Togo95 1764
9 All_In 1627
10 LosBrolin 1582
11 Laarsland 1484
11 ThePirate81 1484
13 Hakkie 1483
14 Russell23 1430
15 DJSprtsch 1379
16 Archieboy 1369
17 DJW 1364
18 Armchair 1319
19 Joelsim 1315
20 Vladimir 1301
21 GPBlanco 1275
22 Kjellus 1273
23 RoteLaterne 1266
24 GeraintTooFast 1250
25 Squire 1246
26 AmisVelo 1242
27 Comodoro 1205
28 TomJelte 1196
29 Search 1163
29 LightBing 1163
31 The_Asian 1151
32 Madrazo 1135
33 Crevaison 1114
34 NotMyCircus 1089
35 Spokenspin 1086
36 Leadbelly 1079
37 SemirS 1061
38 ChrisDK 979
39 Scrool07 965
40 AupaPyama 724
41 Trudgin 622
42 Josedin 601
43 Carlo_Algatrensig 516
CollectiveWisdom 1418


The Spring season has been dominated by 5 riders:
Sagan (who was beyond a team budget)
Valverde (much of his dominance was in stage races and therefore no advantage here, and he would have been a very expensive pick given that these races are not his main source of points),
Van Avermaet (who seemed prohibitively expensive, but one team didn't think so)
Gilbert (who proved a very good unique pick)
and Kwiatkowski (by far the best value of these in points/cost balance, and chosen by all the top 4)

The top ten consists of the teams that had Van Avermaet and Gilbert as unique picks, the 7 teams with Kwiatkowski, and Shalgo, who managed 7th place without any of the big 5.

Congratulations to JSG on his win, and to Kazistuta and Mellow Velo for their podium positions; thanks to everyone else for your interest and participation.
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23 Apr 2017 21:44

Top scoring riders:

VAN AVERMAET Greg 2279 1331 1
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 611 803 7
GILBERT Philippe 777 782 1
SAGAN Peter 3307 550 0
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 2130 517 0
COLBRELLI Sonny 1239 402 0
DEGENKOLB John 550 358 34
NAESEN Oliver 643 331 3
STYBAR Zdenek 736 325 1
MATTHEWS Michael 1234 307 0
DURBRIDGE Luke 282 305 0
MARTIN Daniel 993 302 0
ALBASINI Michael 435 293 2
BOUHANNI Nacer 1176 292 0
BENOOT Tiesj 588 290 26
STUYVEN Jasper 428 275 15
DEMARE Arnaud 980 274 0
TERPSTRA Niki 764 269 1
VAN BAARLE Dylan 335 262 1
KRISTOFF Alexander 1961 256 0
FELLINE Fabio 607 220 3
YATES Adam 689 220 0
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 932 214 0
IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion 1291 213 0
WELLENS Tim 739 210 0
LANGEVELD Sebastian 171 208 1
LAMPAERT Yves 391 200 3


Best %age return on cost:
(name/cost/points/popularity/per cent return)

DE WITTE Matthias 1 26 0 2600
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 5 89 1780
PEREZ Anthony 3 10 0 333
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas 36 116 0 322
CAMPISTROUS Romain 2 6 0 300
VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume 61 153 25 251
ALLEGAERT Piet 12 30 2 250
CATTANEO Mattia 55 115 1 209
JAUREGUI Quentin 33 47 0 142
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 611 803 7 131
KEISSE Iljo 65 82 1 126
LANGEVELD Sebastian 171 208 1 122
CASTELIJNS Twan 35 41 0 117
DE BUYST Jasper 50 57 0 114
HANSEN Lasse Norman 46 50 2 109
DURBRIDGE Luke 282 305 0 108
GILBERT Philippe 777 782 1 101
BONNAMOUR Franck 20 20 0 100
VAN WINDEN Dennis 15 15 0 100
PICHOT Alexandre 15 15 0 100
GRELLIER Fabien 10 10 1 100
KAMSTRA Brian 5 5 0 100
KACZMAREK Jakub 5 5 0 100

and the freebies who scored:
VAN ROOY Kenneth 15pts 2 teams
CARRETERO MILLAN Hector 15pts
CINK Ondrej 14pts 11 teams
GUILLEMOIS Romain 10pts
CORBEL Erwann 7pts 2 teams
CALABRIA Fabio 5pts
VAN IJZENDOORN Rik 5pts
POLI Umberto 5pts
WALLAYS Jens 5pts


Expensive flops
(Name/cost/points/teams)
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 1151 145 1
BOONEN Tom 951 186 2
TERPSTRA Niki 764 269 1
VANMARCKE Sep 744 110 10
CORT NIELSEN Magnus 555 95 1
GASPAROTTO Enrico 551 22 1
VANSPEYBROUCK Pieter 451 20 1
VUILLERMOZ Alexis 437 17 2
DE BIE Sean 352 5 1
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 347 20 1
CALMEJANE Lilian 338 39 3
SLAGTER Tom-Jelte 338 25 1
STANNARD Ian 327 52 16
GUARNIERI Jacopo 291 5 1
MOSER Moreno 281 5 1

JSG's winning team
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 611 803
DEGENKOLB John 550 358
NAESEN Oliver 643 331
BENOOT Tiesj 588 290
VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume 61 153
BRESCHEL Matti 116 67
MØRKØV CHRISTENSEN Michael 156 31
ALLEGAERT Piet 12 30
BOOM Lars 212 20
PLANCKAERT Edward 45 15
CINK Ondrej 0 14
BOUHANNI Rayane 5 0


At a quick try, I think the best possible team was:
(rider/price/score)
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 611 803 7
GILBERT Philippe 777 782 1
DEGENKOLB John 550 358 34
DURBRIDGE Luke 282 305 0
STUYVEN Jasper 428 275 15
LANGEVELD Sebastian 171 208 1
VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume 61 153 25
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas 36 116 0
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 5 89 1
HANSEN Lasse Norman 46 50 2
DE WITTE Matthias 1 26 0
BUDDING Martijn 32 25 0


That extraordinary bit of insight could have given a team in profit, with 3190 points.

Impeccable picks:

VAN AVERMAET Greg 2279 1331 1
KWIATKOWSKI Michal 611 803 7
DEGENKOLB John 550 358 34
DURBRIDGE Luke 282 305 0
LANGEVELD Sebastian 171 208 1
VAN KEIRSBULCK Guillaume 61 153 25
PÖSTLBERGER Lukas 36 116 0
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 5 89 1
DE WITTE Matthias 1 26 0
{VAN ROOY Kenneth 0 15 2
{CARRETERO MILLAN Hector 0 15 0

Here is the spreadsheet on Dropbox if you want to do any further analysis, see where your team went wrong, or see if you can calculate a better best possible team.


I should have had GP de Denain as part of the game: it was 1.HC but I hadn't noticed its promotion. None of the 1.1 races this year met my threshhold of having 6 WT teams competing (poss because of other races having been promoted to WT), so I envisage none of them being in the game next year, so it is due to be the 17 1.HC or above races, and possibly any others that get date shifted into the scope of the game (as Lugano date shifted out of it this year). If you have any proposals otherwise, let's hear them.
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24 Apr 2017 02:43

Thanks for organizing the game and for all of the updates. Congratulations to JustSomeGuy!
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24 Apr 2017 06:14

Personal opinion of course, but I would like to see the 3 Days of De Panne included in this game.
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24 Apr 2017 06:41

I have a best possible team of 3351 points so far. Cost is 2988 points, so maybe minor improvements are still possible.

Kwiatkowski
Gilbert
Durbridge
Albasini
Van Baarle
Langeveld
Van Keirsbulck
Teuns
Postlberger
Cattaneo
Carapaz
Keisse
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24 Apr 2017 08:12

Once again thx for running these games, AC! For once I was rather close, if just Teuns didn't kill himself for a mediocre placing to GVA. Nah, who am I kidding - congrats to JSG.
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24 Apr 2017 08:43

Thanks again for running the game AC. I think I've not been in top 10 before at Classics game so I'm happy for that. Giro next folks!
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24 Apr 2017 09:39

Not sure why Gaviria didn't make expensive flops, anyway thanks for your work Armchair Climber
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Re: 2017 Spring Classics CQ Game

24 Apr 2017 19:49

Congrats to the podium and thanks to Armchair for running the game.
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24 Apr 2017 23:34

Hakkie2 wrote:Personal opinion of course, but I would like to see the 3 Days of De Panne included in this game.


I have kept it to one day races: it is the Spring Classics game. Other thoughts?
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24 Apr 2017 23:37

del1962 wrote:Not sure why Gaviria didn't make expensive flops, anyway thanks for your work Armchair Climber


There was no strict mathematical inclusion for inclusion. I certainly paused over that name and considered including it: can't remember why I didn't. Feel free to consider him one!
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24 Apr 2017 23:39

Keep an eye out for the Giro game: announcement sooner than you probably expect.
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25 Apr 2017 10:25

Kazistuta wrote:Once again thx for running these games, AC! For once I was rather close, if just Teuns didn't kill himself for a mediocre placing to GVA. Nah, who am I kidding - congrats to JSG.


Thanks, well done on the late charge
Must admit to being quiet concerned when Haas attacked.
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30 Apr 2017 20:25

Congratulations to JSG, thanks to AC and all the participants.

Armchair cyclist wrote:
Hakkie2 wrote:Personal opinion of course, but I would like to see the 3 Days of De Panne included in this game.


I have kept it to one day races: it is the Spring Classics game. Other thoughts?


I'm with you.

See you at the Giro.
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