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04 May 2018 21:11

I'm not sure Igor Anton was a good pick being unique. But more reason to cheer for him.
For the first time (as far as I can remember) I didn't pick a sprinter because the good ones are to expensive for the few sprint stages and I rather cheer for a climber like Igor Anton than a sprinter like Guardini or Sbaragli.
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04 May 2018 23:53

Rider Popularity

70 of the 176 (well, 175 now, luckily no-one had chosen Siutsou) riders, have been picked. Chaves is the must-have at an irresistible price, and but he is followed on the popularity table by two of the most expensive picks. At the time I left to work on Thursday, I think Lopez had 11 picks to just 2 for Pinot, but confidence in the Frenchman blossomed on Thursday, and he was on almost every team I opened when I got in.

These selections, remember, are out of 44 teams:

36: CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban
25: LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel
24: PINOT Thibaut
20: FORMOLO Davide
19: KANGERT Tanel
17: WOODS Michael
15: GUARDINI Andrea
14: VAN POPPEL Danny
9: DENNIS Rohan, O'CONNOR Ben, SBARAGLI Kristian
8: BRAMBILLA Gianluca
7: BENNETT George, CARTHY Hugh, GIBBONS Ryan
6: FERNANDEZ ANDUJAR Ruben, GESINK Robert, YATES Simon
5: BONIFAZIO Niccolo, CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio, MEINTJES Louis, PANTANO GOMEZ Jarlinson, VERVAEKE Louis
4: DE MARCHI Alessandro, DOMBROWSKI Joseph Lloyd, HERMANS Ben, MORABITO Steve, REICHENBACH Sébastien
3: ARU Fabio, BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto, BONNET William, CICCONE Giulio, MODOLO Sacha, SEPULVEDA Eduardo
2: ATAPUMA HURTADO Jhon Darwin, BENNETT Sam, DUPONT Hubert, HAIG Jack, HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis, HIRT Jan, MARECZKO Jakub, PLAZA MOLINA Ruben, TORRES AGUDELO Rodolfo Andres

and those picked just the once are indicated in the previous post.

For a Collective Wisdom team within budget, I can't find a combination better than Ruvu75's selection, so I'll do something different, and in acknowledgement of the big jump from 8th and 9th in popularity, this time. The most popular 8 riders have a total cost of 4158, so the score of that team will be 3500/4158 of their scores (rounded to nearest whole number)
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04 May 2018 23:55

Team popularity rankings

36 points if you have Chaves, 1 point if you have a unique pick. Sometimes there is a high correlation between this and the final results, sometimes there isn't. Some take pride in being high on these tables, others delight in having an idiosyncratic team that will be low.

1 Ruvu75 155
2 Fauniera 150
3 ThePirate81 136
4 Drebola 135
4 Squire 135
6 Handbrake 134
7 LightBing 133
8 SemirS 132
9 Comodoro 130
9 GPBlanco 130
11 BikeRacer33 126
11 Gotland 126
13 Russell23 123
14 Shalgo 122
15 Kazistuta 121
15 Laarsland 121
17 Mellow_Velo 120
18 Leadbelly 116
18 Rote_Laterne 116
20 Armchair_Cyclist 114
20 Minessa 114
22 Googolplex 112
23 Axl 111
23 Nathanptz 111
25 Hakkie2 110
26 Del1962 109
27 AmisVelo 108
27 LosBrolin 108
29 Salvarani 107
30 Scrool07 103
31 Carlo_Algatrensig 102
31 Chiron 102
33 BluesInTheBottle 101
33 Bminchow 101
33 SafeBet 101
36 Search 98
37 Tigerion 95
37 Vladimir 95
39 Caruut 89
40 PremierAndrew 80
41 Koronin 71
42 Yellow_Knight 55
43 BicycleBoy 54
44 Trudgin 40
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04 May 2018 23:57

Expensive picks

It is the biggest buys, and the proportion of the budget entrusted to him/them, that determine the main hopes of any team in these games. Here are the riders selected who cost 700 points or more:


Dumoulin and Pinot: Bicycle Boy

Aru and Lopez: Blues in the Bottle, Search, Shalgo

Pinot
and Lopez: BikeRacer33, Fauniera, GPBlanco, Handbrake, Laarsland, Leadbelly, LightBing, Minessa, Semir S, Squire
and Yates: Los Brolin, Mellow Velo
and S Bennett:Tigerion
on his own: Axl, Comodoro, Del1962, Gotland, Nathanptz, Russell23, SafeBet, Salvarani, The Pirate81, Trudgin

Lopez and Pozzovivo: Googolplex
and Yates: Rote Laterne, Scrool07
on his own: Armchair Cyclist, Caruut, Drebola, Hakkie, Kazistuta, Koronin, Premier Andrew, Ruvu75, Vladimir

Poels with Yates and S Bennett: Yellow Knight
and Yates: Bminchow

While half the teams made room for 2 of these expensive riders, and Yellow Knight even managed to squeeze in 3, three teams invested rather more cautiously: Amis Velo and Carlo Altrensig both have George Bennett as their most expensive riders, and Chiron picked no-one dearer than Mareczko.

Odd that nobody selected Aru without also including Lopez.
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04 May 2018 23:58

Stage 1

Purple points (Because I still refuse to call that colour 'cyclamen')
These are guaranteed points, that you get even if the rider doesn't finish the race. They are stage points for the first 10 finishers, and the daily bonus for the race leader.

DUMOULIN Tom 88 1 teams
DENNIS Rohan 40 9 teams
CAMPENAERTS Victor 25 0 teams
GONÇALVES Jose Isidro Maciel 15 0 teams
DOWSETT Alex 10 1 teams
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello 7 1 teams
YATES Simon 5 6 teams
SCHACHMANN Maximilian 3 1 teams
MARTIN Tony 2 0 teams
POZZOVIVO Domenico 1 1 teams

1 BicycleBoy 88
2 Bminchow 45
3= AmisVelo, Armchair_Cyclist, Del1962, Drebola, PremierAndrew, Ruvu75, SafeBet, ThePirate81 40
11 Shalgo 10
12 Trudgin 7
13 LosBrolin, Mellow_Velo, Rote_Laterne, Scrool07, Yellow_Knight 5
18 Salvarani 3
19 Googolplex 1
20= Everyone else 0

Pink Points
This is based on the principle of allocating points as though the race is over. It is pretty meaningless until we get to the first serious climb, and even after that can have some fairly dramatic changes, but it is what the main event is about. Scores can be negative, primarily if a rider drops significantly in GC. It includes the Purple points, but also the GC position points, and points for standings in the points and KoM standings (but no Kom points yet).

Bicycle Boy is the only one to have gone for Dumoulin, and that sort of courage deserves at least an appearance at the top of the table. It might even get a placing that sticks.

1 BicycleBoy 861
2 Bminchow 810
3 ThePirate81 715
4 Del1962 687
5 AmisVelo 666
6 SafeBet 658
7 Ruvu75 637
8 Drebola 606
9 Armchair_Cyclist 580
10 PremierAndrew 560
11 Trudgin 508
12 Shalgo 409
13 LosBrolin 393
14 Mellow_Velo 391
15 Rote_Laterne 382
16 Yellow_Knight 373
17 Scrool07 371
18 Salvarani 362
19 Nathanptz 305
20 BikeRacer33 291
21 Googolplex 288
21 Vladimir 288
23 Fauniera 285
24 Axl 280
24 Russell23 280
26 SemirS 266
26 Squire 266
28 Laarsland 255
29 Gotland 243
30 LightBing 239
31 GPBlanco 238
32 Comodoro 237
33 Minessa 217
34 BluesInTheBottle 207
34 Leadbelly 207
36 Handbrake 200
36 Tigerion 200
38 Carlo_Algatrensig 182
39 Hakkie2 176
40 Chiron 174
41 Search 164
42 Caruut 144
43 Kazistuta 141
44 Koronin 130
Collective_Wisdom 224
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05 May 2018 17:29

Stage 2 to Tel Aviv

Purple points
For those new to following these games, the purple points every day will be the top ten, plus the pink jersey wearer. This year, on the sprint stages we will probably see few teams laying claim to the big points, as Viviani's price meant he was unchosen, and his presumed supremacy meant other moderately expensive sprinters are rare selections.

VIVIANI Elia 70 0 teams
MARECZKO Jakub 40 2 teams (Chiron, Trudgin)
BENNETT Sam 25 2 teams (Tigerion, Yellow Knight)
DENNIS Rohan 18 9 teams
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 15 5 teams
MODOLO Sacha 10 3 teams
VENTURINI Clément 7 0 teams
GIBBONS Ryan 5 7 teams
BELLETTI Manuel 3 0 teams
PLANCKAERT Baptiste 2 0 teams
DRUCKER Jempy 1 0 teams


1 Chiron 50
2 Tigerion 45
3 Trudgin 40
4 Yellow_Knight 30
5 SafeBet 23
6= Nathanptz, Search 20
8= AmisVelo, Armchair_Cyclist, Bminchow, Del1962, Drebola, PremierAndrew, Ruvu75, ThePirate81 18
16= Scrool07, Vladimir 15
18= Carlo_Algatrensig, Kazistuta 10
20= Laarsland, LosBrolin 5
22= Everyone else 0

Although I wouldn't think of it as the main game, there can be some bragging rights in topping the Purple points table, and some teams in the past have looked as though they were put together with that goal in mind. Maybe that ambition is behind the multisprinter teams of Chiron (Marecsko, Modolo and Van Poppel), Tigerion (Bennett, Bonifazio, Gibbons and Sbaragli) and some others.

Standings
For the moment, top two finishers in the prologue, with the pink jersey bonuses, still define the top 10.
1 BicycleBoy 88
2 Bminchow 63
2 SafeBet 63
4 AmisVelo 58
4 Armchair_Cyclist 58
4 Del1962 58
4 Drebola 58
4 PremierAndrew 58
4 Ruvu75 58
4 ThePirate81 58
11 Chiron 50
12 Trudgin 47
13 Tigerion 45
14 Yellow_Knight 35
15 Nathanptz 20
15 Scrool07 20
15 Search 20
18 Vladimir 15
19 Carlo_Algatrensig 10
19 Kazistuta 10
19 LosBrolin 10
19 Shalgo 10
23 Laarsland 5
23 Mellow_Velo 5
23 Rote_Laterne 5
26 Salvarani 3
27 Googolplex 1

Pink points

Dumoulin, and the Bicycle Boy team, demonstrate how negative points are a thing in this way of keeping score. At the end of the race, CQ will give 500 points to the GC winner and 375 to whoever is second. So in falling from 1st to second, he loses 125 projected points. He also loses a bunch in the points classification. Note also that the KoM classification makes an impact, with Barbin getting a 70 point increase despite being 67th on the stage.

(most days I will post the major changes only among those who have been selected)
VIVIANI Elia 140 0 team
DENNIS Rohan 128 9 teams
MARECZKO Jakub 80 2 teams
BARBIN Enrico 70 0 team
BENNETT Sam 40 2 teams
BOIVIN Guillaume 40 0 team
BALLERINI Davide 35 1 team
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 22 5 teams
ROELANDTS Jürgen 14 0 team
MODOLO Sacha 13 3 teams
PUCCIO Salvatore 11 0 team
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 10 36 teams
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 10 2 teams
---
DOWSETT Alex -10 1 team
HAGA Chad -13 0 team
GONÇALVES Jose Isidro Maciel -15 0 team
KIRYIENKA Vasil -17 0 team
CAMPENAERTS Victor -23 0 team
LUTSENKO Alexey -25 0 team
SEPULVEDA Eduardo -35 3 teams
POELS Wout -39 1 team
SCULLY Tom -63 0 team
DUMOULIN Tom -190 1 team

1 ThePirate81 156
2 Bminchow 152
3 Del1962 151
3 Drebola 151
5 Ruvu75 148
6 Armchair_Cyclist 146
7 SafeBet 139
8 PremierAndrew 128
9 AmisVelo 124
10 Chiron 122
11 Trudgin 108
12 Tigerion 77
13 Search 51
14 Vladimir 46
15 Carlo_Algatrensig 41
16 Fauniera 37
16 Nathanptz 37
18 Russell23 34
19 Kazistuta 32
20 Scrool07 27
21 LightBing 25
22 GPBlanco 24
23 Googolplex 22
24 Gotland 21
24 Hakkie2 21
26 SemirS 20
26 Squire 20
28 LosBrolin 17
29 Laarsland 15
29 Rote_Laterne 15
31 Comodoro 14
31 Salvarani 14
31 Shalgo 14
34 BikeRacer33 13
35 Mellow_Velo 12
35 Minessa 12
37 Caruut 10
37 Handbrake 10
37 Leadbelly 10
40 Koronin 9
41 Yellow_Knight 7
42 BluesInTheBottle -13
43 Axl -14
44 BicycleBoy -184
Collective_Wisdom 17

Standings

The top ten at this early (and probably irrelevant) stage consists of the 9 Dennis teams, followed by Bicycle Boy (Dumoulin). Yates is the main reason that Bminchow leads the Dennis teams, while the Pinot-Formolo combination raises Pirate and Del to the virtual podium, Kangert throwing the balance in The Pirate's favour.

Chiron manages a 15 place jump in position.

1 Bminchow 962
2 ThePirate81 871
3 Del1962 838
4 SafeBet 797
5 AmisVelo 790
6 Ruvu75 785
7 Drebola 757
8 Armchair_Cyclist 726
9 PremierAndrew 688
10 BicycleBoy 677
11 Trudgin 616
12 Shalgo 423
13 LosBrolin 410
14 Mellow_Velo 403
15 Scrool07 398
16 Rote_Laterne 397
17 Yellow_Knight 380
18 Salvarani 376
19 Nathanptz 342
20 Vladimir 334
21 Fauniera 322
22 Russell23 314
23 Googolplex 310
24 BikeRacer33 304
25 Chiron 296
26 SemirS 286
26 Squire 286
28 Tigerion 277
29 Laarsland 270
30 Axl 266
31 Gotland 264
31 LightBing 264
33 GPBlanco 262
34 Comodoro 251
35 Minessa 229
36 Carlo_Algatrensig 223
37 Leadbelly 217
38 Search 215
39 Handbrake 210
40 Hakkie2 197
41 BluesInTheBottle 194
42 Kazistuta 173
43 Caruut 154
44 Koronin 139
Collective_Wisdom 241

I probably won't think of posting the link to the spreadsheet every day, but here it is, and that is where you will find it any time you might want to look it up.
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06 May 2018 19:12

Stage 3 across the Desert to Eilat

Purple points
Fairly similar to yesterday, but with the popular pick Danny Van Poppel getting in a few points for his teams, and Modolo swapping roles with Mareczko.
VIVIANI Elia 70 0 team
MODOLO Sacha 40 3 teams
BENNETT Sam 25 2 teams
DENNIS Rohan 18 9 teams
MARECZKO Jakub 15 2 teams
VAN POPPEL Danny 10 14 teams
DEBUSSCHERE Jens 7 0 team
BELLETTI Manuel 5 0 team
PLANCKAERT Baptiste 3 0 team
PEDERSEN Mads 2 0 team
GONÇALVES Jose Isidro Maciel 1 0 team

1 Chiron 65 (Modolo, Mareczko and Van Poppel)
2 Kazistuta 50 (Modolo and Van Poppel)
3 Carlo_Algatrensig 40
4= AmisVelo, Drebola, Ruvu75, SafeBet 28 (Dennis and DvP)
8 Tigerion, Yellow_Knight 25 (Bennett)
10= Dennis without DvP 18
15 Trudgin 15
16= DvP without Dennis 10
24= Everyone else 0

Standings

Chiron overtakes all the Dennis teams, and the only team to have a stage winner, in one go.

1 Chiron 115
2 SafeBet 91
3 BicycleBoy 88
4 AmisVelo 86
4 Drebola 86
4 Ruvu75 86
7 Bminchow 81
8 Armchair_Cyclist 76
8 Del1962 76
8 PremierAndrew 76
8 ThePirate81 76


Pink points

Very little GC action, with the main advantages being gained from Campanaerts' poor placement.
MODOLO Sacha 77 3 teams
BENNETT Sam 25 2 teams
SCHACHMANN Maximilian 25 1 team
YATES Simon 25 6 teams
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello 25 1 team
DOWSETT Alex 25 1 team
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto 15 3 teams
POZZOVIVO Domenico 15 1 team
VAN POPPEL Danny 10 14 teams
O'CONNOR Ben 10 9 teams
BENNETT George 10 7 teams
---
BALLERINI Davide -17 1 team
VERVAEKE Louis -17 5 teams

On the day
On days of little GC action, the daily winners will be similar both here and in the purple points classification.

1 Chiron 116
2 Kazistuta 111
3 Carlo_Algatrensig 109
4 Shalgo 62
4 Yellow_Knight 62
6 Googolplex 53
6 Salvarani 53
8 Rote_Laterne 47
9 LosBrolin 46
10 Mellow_Velo 43
11 AmisVelo 38
11 Drebola 38
13 Hakkie2 36
14 Russell23 34
15 Scrool07 33
15 Vladimir 33
17 Nathanptz 32
18 Ruvu75 30
18 Tigerion 30
20 Bminchow 28
21 LightBing 26
22 BluesInTheBottle 25
22 Laarsland 25
24 Caruut 24
24 Handbrake 24
24 Search 24
27 Trudgin 23
28 Leadbelly 22
28 Minessa 22
30 Axl 20
30 Gotland 20
30 SemirS 20
30 Squire 20
34 BikeRacer33 18
34 Del1962 18
36 SafeBet 17
37 Koronin 14
38 Fauniera 11
38 GPBlanco 11
40 Comodoro 10
41 PremierAndrew 6
42 BicycleBoy -1
43 Armchair_Cyclist -3
43 ThePirate81 -3
Collective_Wisdom 25


Standings
Minor GC changes bring Amis Velo and Ruvu above SafeBet as the only top ten changes, and Carlo Algatrensig rises 11 places in the day's most dramatic leap, but the unique combination of Dennis and Yates (currently 1st and 6th on GC) gives Bminchow the lead through our first rest day.

1 Bminchow 990
2 ThePirate81 868
3 Del1962 856
4 AmisVelo 828
5 Ruvu75 815
6 SafeBet 814
7 Drebola 795
8 Armchair_Cyclist 723
9 PremierAndrew 694
10 BicycleBoy 676
11 Trudgin 639
12 Shalgo 485
13 LosBrolin 456
14 Mellow_Velo 446
15 Rote_Laterne 444
16 Yellow_Knight 442
17 Scrool07 431
18 Salvarani 429
19 Chiron 412
20 Nathanptz 374
21 Vladimir 367
22 Googolplex 363
23 Russell23 348
24 Fauniera 333
25 Carlo_Algatrensig 332
26 BikeRacer33 322
27 Tigerion 307
28 SemirS 306
28 Squire 306
30 Laarsland 295
31 LightBing 290
32 Axl 286
33 Gotland 284
33 Kazistuta 284
35 GPBlanco 273
36 Comodoro 261
37 Minessa 251
38 Leadbelly 239
38 Search 239
40 Handbrake 234
41 Hakkie2 233
42 BluesInTheBottle 219
43 Caruut 178
44 Koronin 153
Collective_Wisdom 266
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Re: 2018 Giro CQ Game

07 May 2018 07:46

Well, Guardini was a brillant idea. :o
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07 May 2018 09:19

Not far enough east for him.
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08 May 2018 18:11

Stage 4 Back in Italy (apologies to any MIS supporters), and up the Mur of Caltagirone

Purple points

When Kirby was identifying Battaglin as Bennett, some teams will have thought that they were packing the top 5. A few of our popular mid-budget, low-mid top ten GC type picks get a mention and some points

WELLENS Tim 70 0 team
WOODS Michael 40 17 teams
BATTAGLIN Enrico 25 0 team
DENNIS Rohan 18 9 teams
YATES Simon 15 6 teams
FORMOLO Davide 10 20 teams
KREUZIGER Roman 7 0 team
KONRAD Patrick 5 0 teams
SANCHEZ GIL Luis Leon 3 0 team
POZZOVIVO Domenico 2 1 team
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 1 36 teams

1 Bminchow 84 (Woods, Dennis, Yates, Formolo, Chaves)
2 AmisVelo, Ruvu75, ThePirate81 69 (Woods, Dennis, Formolo, Chaves)
5 Armchair_Cyclist, Drebola 59 (Woods, Dennis, Chaves)
7 PremierAndrew, SafeBet 58 (Woods, Dennis)
9 Mellow_Velo 56
10 Yellow_Knight 55
11 Carlo_Algatrensig, Chiron, Comodoro, Gotland 51
15 Kazistuta, Nathanptz 41
17 Koronin 40
18 Del1962 29
19 Rote_Laterne 26
20 Scrool07 25
21 LosBrolin 16
22 8 teams with Formolo and Chaves 11
30 Laarsland 10
31 Googolplex 3
32 11 teams with Chaves only 1
43 BicycleBoy, Trudgin 0
Collective_Wisdom 43

Most teams scored today, everyone is finally off the mark

1 Chiron 166
2 Bminchow 165
3 AmisVelo 155
3 Ruvu75 155
5 SafeBet 149
6 Drebola 145
6 ThePirate81 145
8 Armchair_Cyclist 135
9 PremierAndrew 134
10 Yellow_Knight 115

Pink points

It is not so much that riders have moved up; more that non-GC men with a decent TT ranking have dropped down. Note that Guardini's DNF (or was it a DNS? I heard some mention of a second withdrawal on the restday, but never heard who) results in a 15 point loss: it had been assumed that he would be a finisher outside the top 50, but even that would have been worth 15 CQ points.

YATES Simon 115 6
WOODS Michael 100 17
PINOT Thibaut 81 24
FORMOLO Davide 64 20
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 53 36
POZZOVIVO Domenico 42 1
KANGERT Tanel 36 19
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 31 5
MEINTJES Louis 27 5
SCHACHMANN Maximilian 25 1
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 23 25
BENNETT George 22 7
ARU Fabio 20 3
DENNIS Rohan 16 9
MOSCA Jacopo 15 1
---
GUARDINI Andrea -15 15
DE LA CRUZ MELGAREJO David -17 1
FERNANDEZ ANDUJAR Ruben -27 6
DOWSETT Alex -233 1


Lots of points being won today, unless you have Dowsett as a unique pick

1 Bminchow 370
2 ThePirate81 350
3 Mellow_Velo 346
4 Rote_Laterne 322
5 Gotland 295
6 Comodoro 292
7 Carlo_Algatrensig 291
8 Ruvu75 277
9 Russell23 268
10 Nathanptz 261
11 Yellow_Knight 260
12 AmisVelo 259
13 Scrool07 258
14 SemirS 257
14 Squire 257
16 LosBrolin 253
17 Drebola 240
18 SafeBet 235
19 Armchair_Cyclist 224
20 Fauniera 215
21 Chiron 212
22 Laarsland 206
23 Axl 205
24 GPBlanco 193
25 Del1962 192
26 BikeRacer33 188
27 Googolplex 175
28 Hakkie2 171
28 LightBing 171
30 PremierAndrew 166
31 Kazistuta 165
32 Tigerion 163
33 BluesInTheBottle 160
34 Salvarani 156
35 Caruut 147
36 Leadbelly 146
37 Vladimir 143
38 Handbrake 142
39 Koronin 128
39 Search 128
41 BicycleBoy 117
42 Minessa 115
43 Trudgin 84
44 Shalgo -116
Collective_Wisdom 288

Bminchow was already top of the standings, then he topped today's tables. Can it last?

1 Bminchow 1360
2 ThePirate81 1218
3 Ruvu75 1092
4 AmisVelo 1087
5 SafeBet 1049
6 Del1962 1048
7 Drebola 1035
8 Armchair_Cyclist 947
9 PremierAndrew 860
10 BicycleBoy 793
11 Mellow_Velo 792
12 Rote_Laterne 766
13 Trudgin 723
14 LosBrolin 709
15 Yellow_Knight 702
16 Scrool07 689
17 Nathanptz 635
18 Chiron 624
19 Carlo_Algatrensig 623
20 Russell23 616
21 Salvarani 585
22 Gotland 579
23 SemirS 563
23 Squire 563
25 Comodoro 553
26 Fauniera 548
27 Googolplex 538
28 BikeRacer33 510
28 Vladimir 510
30 Laarsland 501
31 Axl 491
32 Tigerion 470
33 GPBlanco 466
34 LightBing 461
35 Kazistuta 449
36 Hakkie2 404
37 Leadbelly 385
38 BluesInTheBottle 379
39 Handbrake 376
40 Shalgo 369
41 Search 367
42 Minessa 366
43 Caruut 325
44 Koronin 281
Collective_Wisdom 554
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09 May 2018 17:35

Stage 5 to Santa Ninfa: similar type of riders to yesterday, but not as many points.

Purple points

BATTAGLIN Enrico 70 0 team
VISCONTI Giovanni 40 1 team
GONÇALVES Jose Isidro Maciel 25 0 team
DENNIS Rohan 18 9 teams
SCHACHMANN Maximilian 15 1 team
YATES Simon 10 6 teams
WELLENS Tim 7 0 team
GAVAZZI Francesco 5 1 team
LAMMERTINK Maurits 3 0 team
POZZOVIVO Domenico 2 1 team
KONRAD Patrick 1 0 team


1 Koronin 40 (Visconti)
2 Bminchow 28 (Dennis and Yates)
3 Rest of the Dennis teams 18
11 Salvarani 15 (Schachmann)
12 Rest of the Yates teams 10
17 Caruut 5
18 Googolplex 2

1 Bminchow 193
2 AmisVelo 173
2 Ruvu75 173
4 SafeBet 167
5 Chiron 166
6 Drebola 163
6 ThePirate81 163
8 Armchair_Cyclist 153
9 PremierAndrew 152
10 Yellow_Knight 125

Pink points

The main shake out of those who are by no means climbers happened yesterday, so only a slight continuation of that process today. Time lost was more relevant than projected points for Lopez, on whom more than half the teams have risked more than 30% of their budget; Pinot, almost as popular, lost almost as many points, but that was simply dropping one place due to Goncalves getting 4 bonus seconds.

VISCONTI Giovanni 42 1 team
MULLEN Ryan 25 1 team
DENNIS Rohan 16 9 teams
SCHACHMANN Maximilian 15 1 team
GAVAZZI Francesco 14 1 team
YATES Simon 10 6 teams
---
BALLERINI Davide -10 1 team
MONTAGUTI Matteo -11 1 team
MOSCA Jacopo -12 1 team
PINOT Thibaut -15 24 teams
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto -15 3 teams
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel -17 25 teams
DOWSETT Alex -17 1 team

Not very large scores today, but that is just as well given that most of them are negative scores.
1 Yellow_Knight 39 (Mullen and Yates)
2 Bminchow 29 (Dennis and Yates)
2 Koronin 29 (Visconti, but Lopez)
4 AmisVelo 21
5 SafeBet 4
6 Armchair_Cyclist 3
7 Del1962 2
7 LosBrolin 2
7 PremierAndrew 2
7 Salvarani 2
11 Chiron 1
12 Drebola 0
12 ThePirate81 0
14 Carlo_Algatrensig -2
14 Ruvu75 -2
16 Mellow_Velo -4
16 Scrool07 -4
18 Rote_Laterne -5
19 Caruut -8
20 Russell23 -9
21 BicycleBoy -10
21 Gotland -10
23 Axl -11
24 Search -12
25 Tigerion -14
26 BluesInTheBottle -15
27 Kazistuta -16
28 Googolplex -22
28 Hakkie2 -22
30 Comodoro -25
31 Nathanptz -26
32 Laarsland -28
33 Vladimir -30
34 LightBing -31
35 BikeRacer33 -32
35 Fauniera -32
35 GPBlanco -32
35 Handbrake -32
35 Minessa -32
35 SemirS -32
35 Shalgo -32
35 Squire -32
43 Leadbelly -43
44 Trudgin -49
Collective_Wisdom -28

Bminchow extends his lead still further, as Amis Velo sneaks onto the podium, and Mellow Velo into the top ten. A couple of 3 place rises, for Axl and Search, is as dramatic as it got.

1 Bminchow 1389
2 ThePirate81 1218
3 AmisVelo 1108
4 Ruvu75 1090
5 SafeBet 1053
6 Del1962 1050
7 Drebola 1035
8 Armchair_Cyclist 950
9 PremierAndrew 862
10 Mellow_Velo 788
11 BicycleBoy 783
12 Rote_Laterne 761
13 Yellow_Knight 741
14 LosBrolin 711
15 Scrool07 685
16 Trudgin 674
17 Chiron 625
18 Carlo_Algatrensig 621
19 Nathanptz 609
20 Russell23 607
21 Salvarani 587
22 Gotland 569
23 SemirS 531
23 Squire 531
25 Comodoro 528
26 Fauniera 516
26 Googolplex 516
28 Axl 480
28 Vladimir 480
30 BikeRacer33 478
31 Laarsland 473
32 Tigerion 456
33 GPBlanco 434
34 Kazistuta 433
35 LightBing 430
36 Hakkie2 382
37 BluesInTheBottle 364
38 Search 355
39 Handbrake 344
40 Leadbelly 342
41 Shalgo 337
42 Minessa 334
43 Caruut 317
44 Koronin 310
Collective_Wisdom 526

The first MTF usually renders the previous standings almost irrelevant: tomorrow the table could look very different.
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Re: 2018 Giro CQ Game

09 May 2018 23:57

Dennis was not 4th on the stage or am I missing something?
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10 May 2018 01:24

Was hoping for something from Bennett today but looks like he was dropped and ended up in the grupetto. Not sure if he got caught up in that crash
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Re: 2018 Giro CQ Game

10 May 2018 06:58

Salvarani wrote:Dennis was not 4th on the stage or am I missing something?


He was not, but as the recipient of 18 points for holding the Pink Jersey, he is the 4th highest CQ point scorer of the day. Those points are guaranteed (he will keep them even if he fails to finish the race) so I include them in this part of the calculations.
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10 May 2018 07:05

Tigerion wrote:Was hoping for something from Bennett today but looks like he was dropped and ended up in the grupetto. Not sure if he got caught up in that crash


I thought for a moment I had missed notification of a major time loss for George (or as Brian Smith sometimes calls him, Gordon Bennett). I guess Sam was still recovering from having totally misread the final gradients the day before.
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Re: 2018 Giro CQ Game

10 May 2018 07:50

Armchair cyclist wrote:
Salvarani wrote:Dennis was not 4th on the stage or am I missing something?


He was not, but as the recipient of 18 points for holding the Pink Jersey, he is the 4th highest CQ point scorer of the day. Those points are guaranteed (he will keep them even if he fails to finish the race) so I include them in this part of the calculations.


Got it. Thank you for clarification.
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Re: 2018 Giro CQ Game

10 May 2018 15:37

Okay that went better than expected. Top 4 on stage :eek: Well, the battle has just started so we'll see..
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10 May 2018 17:09

Stage 6 to Mt Etna

Purple points

The GC guys finally get to show themselves, and and these are some of the names that we all had to consider when making our selections.

CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 70pts 36 teams
YATES Simon 58 6 teams
PINOT Thibaut 25 24 teams
BENNETT George 15 7 teams
POZZOVIVO Domenico 10 1 team
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 7 25 teams
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 5 5 teams
DUMOULIN Tom 3 1 team
ARU Fabio 2 3 teams
FROOME Chris 1 0 team


Loads of points, and I'm not sure that anyone has had the top 4 on a stage, and the leader jersey points, in a GT CQ game
1 LosBrolin 168 (Chaves, Yates, Pinot and Bennett)
2 Mellow_Velo 153 (Chaves, Yates and Pinot)
3 Bminchow 143 (Chaves, Yates and Bennett)
4 Rote_Laterne 140 (Chaves, Yates, Lopez and Carapaz)
5= Axl, Russell23 110
7- BikeRacer33, Fauniera, GPBlanco, Handbrake, Leadbelly, LightBing, Minessa, SemirS, Squire 102
16 Nathanptz 100
17 Comodoro, Del1962, Gotland, Salvarani, ThePirate81, Tigerion 95
23 Hakkie2 92
24 Carlo_Algatrensig 90
25 Googolplex 87
26 AmisVelo 85
27 Kazistuta 82
28 BluesInTheBottle, Search, Shalgo 79
31 Armchair_Cyclist, Caruut, Drebola, Ruvu75, Vladimir 77
36 Chiron, Scrool07 70
38 Yellow_Knight 58
39 Laarsland 32
40 BicycleBoy 28
41 SafeBet, Trudgin 25
43 Koronin, PremierAndrew 7
Collective_Wisdom 86

Top ten guaranteed points standings:
1 Bminchow 336
2 AmisVelo 258
2 ThePirate81 258
4 Ruvu75 250
5 Drebola 240
6 Chiron 236
7 Armchair_Cyclist 230
8 Mellow_Velo 224
9 Del1962 218
10 LosBrolin 204


Pink points

Huge points swings today.
CHAVES RUBIO Jhoan Esteban 359pts 36 teams
YATES Simon 284 6 teams
PINOT Thibaut 140 24 teams
BENNETT George 109 7 teams
POZZOVIVO Domenico 88 1 team
ARU Fabio 79 3 teams
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 67 5 teams
O'CONNOR Ben 52 9 teams
LOPEZ MORENO Miguel Angel 40 25 teams
---
PREIDLER Georg -34 1 team
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello -50 1 team
FORMOLO Davide -70 20 teams
SCHACHMANN Maximilian -145 1 team
DENNIS Rohan -285 9 teams

There will probably not be such a day of swings again: from now on it will be individuals' ups and downs that will create most of the changes, alongside the daily points. There won't be many people moving up 10 or more places in a day from now on, but there may well be drops that big or much bigger.

Gains and losses on the day
1 LosBrolin 899
2 Mellow_Velo 857
3 Rote_Laterne 677
4 Russell23 594
5 Nathanptz 585
6 Axl 551
7 Handbrake 549
8 LightBing 544
9 Leadbelly 542
10 Carlo_Algatrensig 539
10 Minessa 539
12 GPBlanco 529
13 Googolplex 523
14 Gotland 514
15 Tigerion 502
16 BikeRacer33 489
17 Kazistuta 488
18 SemirS 463
19 Shalgo 462
20 Search 459
20 Squire 459
22 Comodoro 458
23 Fauniera 453
24 Caruut 450
25 Hakkie2 438
26 Bminchow 419
27 BluesInTheBottle 418
28 Salvarani 406
29 Chiron 363
30 Vladimir 354
31 Scrool07 320
32 Yellow_Knight 277
33 Drebola 178
34 Del1962 172
35 AmisVelo 159
36 Armchair_Cyclist 157
37 ThePirate81 156
38 BicycleBoy 127
39 Laarsland 106
40 Trudgin 89
41 Koronin 86
42 Ruvu75 50
43 SafeBet -126
44 PremierAndrew -211
Collective_Wisdom 400

And so the standings get a thorough shake-up, but not so thorough that the leader is dethroned. Although it was a bad day for those with Dennis on the daily losses table, he remains (for now) the 4th highest projected scorer, and a very good return on investment.
Just behind Bminchow, whose lead is almost undented, Mellow Velo, Los Brolin and Rote Laterne all share the Michelton Scott duo with him, rise from 10th, 14th and 12th respectively, and are followed by most of what was this morning's top ten. Los Brolin was one of 4 teams to rise 11 places on the day, but they are all eclipsed by Axl, with a 12 position surge.
1 Bminchow 1808
2 Mellow_Velo 1645
3 LosBrolin 1610
4 Rote_Laterne 1438
5 ThePirate81 1374
6 AmisVelo 1267
7 Del1962 1222
8 Drebola 1213
9 Russell23 1201
10 Nathanptz 1194
11 Carlo_Algatrensig 1160
12 Ruvu75 1140
13 Armchair_Cyclist 1107
14 Gotland 1083
15 Googolplex 1039
16 Axl 1031
17 Yellow_Knight 1018
18 Scrool07 1005
19 SemirS 994
20 Salvarani 993
21 Squire 990
22 Chiron 988
23 Comodoro 986
24 LightBing 974
25 Fauniera 969
26 BikeRacer33 967
27 GPBlanco 963
28 Tigerion 958
29 SafeBet 927
30 Kazistuta 921
31 BicycleBoy 910
32 Handbrake 893
33 Leadbelly 884
34 Minessa 873
35 Vladimir 834
36 Hakkie2 820
37 Search 814
38 Shalgo 799
39 BluesInTheBottle 782
40 Caruut 767
41 Trudgin 763
42 PremierAndrew 651
43 Laarsland 579
44 Koronin 396
Collective_Wisdom 926
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11 May 2018 07:41

Well heck. I didn't know you were going to do daily updates!! This is awesome!! I am vacating in Spain from the U.S. and haven't been able to catch all the stages. But I sure enjoyed yesterdays. Let's keep this going!!
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11 May 2018 18:22

Stage 7 back on the mainland, a sprint to Praia a Mare

Purple points

Its a sprint, so some of the fringe sprinters who were not too expensive get marginal points. But this time the nt too expensive second best sprinter in the race takes top spot, to the joy of 2 teams.

BENNETT Sam 70 2 teams
VIVIANI Elia 40 0 team
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 25 5 teams
YATES Simon 18 6 teams
MODOLO Sacha 15 3 teams
VAN POPPEL Danny 10 14 teams
MARECZKO Jakub 7 2 team
VENTURINI Clément 5 0 team
PEDERSEN Mads 3 0 team
ROELANDTS Jürgen 2 0 team
DEBUSSCHERE Jens 1 0 team

1 Tigerion 95 (Bennett and Bonifazio)
2 Yellow_Knight 88 (Bennett and Yates)
3 Scrool07 43 (Bonifazio and Yates)
4 Nathanptz 35 (Bonifazio and Van Poppel)
5 Chiron 32 (Modolo, Van Poppel and Mareczko)
6= 3 Bonifazio teams 25
9= 4 Yates teams 18
13 Carlo_Algatrensig 15
14= 11 Van Poppel teams 10
25 Trudgin 7

1 Bminchow 354
2 Yellow_Knight 271
3 AmisVelo 268
3 Chiron 268
5 Tigerion 261
6 Ruvu75 260
7 ThePirate81 258
8 Drebola 250
9 Mellow_Velo 242
10 Armchair_Cyclist 230


Pink points

Other than the purple points and a bit of a shuffle in the points jersey, the most significant issue was Betancur's lack of concentration in staying close behind his team mates, losing 4 places in the process.

BENNETT Sam 95 2 teams
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 28 5 teams
YATES Simon 17 6 teams
VAN POPPEL Danny 10 14 teams
CARAPAZ MONTENEGRO Richard Antonio 8 5 teams
O'CONNOR Ben 8 9 teams
WOODS Michael 8 17 teams
BALLERINI Davide 7 1 team
---
ZARDINI Edoardo -15 1 team
BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos Alberto -30 3 teams

Fairly insignificant changes today, especially for the unBennetted
1 Tigerion 123
2 Yellow_Knight 120
3 Scrool07 53
4 Mellow_Velo 33
5 Search 28
6 Carlo_Algatrensig 26
6 Kazistuta 26
8 Nathanptz 24
8 Rote_Laterne 24
10 Chiron 23
11 Bminchow 22
12 Drebola 21
13 Googolplex 20
14 Salvarani 18
15 Gotland 17
16 AmisVelo 15
16 LosBrolin 15
16 Ruvu75 15
19 SafeBet 14
20 Laarsland 10
20 Shalgo 10
22 Comodoro 9
23 GPBlanco 8
23 Handbrake 8
23 Koronin 8
26 Caruut 7
27 Russell23 6
28 Armchair_Cyclist 5
29 PremierAndrew 3
29 ThePirate81 3
31 Leadbelly 2
32 BicycleBoy 0
32 BikeRacer33 0
32 Fauniera 0
32 Minessa 0
36 Axl -1
37 BluesInTheBottle -2
37 LightBing -2
37 SemirS -2
37 Squire -2
41 Hakkie2 -3
41 Vladimir -3
43 Del1962 -4
44 Trudgin -25
Collective_Wisdom 15

Standings
12 place rise for Tigerion, and some minor changes low in the top ten, and that's about it for today.


1 Bminchow 1830
2 Mellow_Velo 1678
3 LosBrolin 1625
4 Rote_Laterne 1462
5 ThePirate81 1377
6 AmisVelo 1282
7 Drebola 1234
8 Del1962 1218
8 Nathanptz 1218
10 Russell23 1207
11 Carlo_Algatrensig 1186
12 Ruvu75 1155
13 Yellow_Knight 1138
14 Armchair_Cyclist 1112
15 Gotland 1100
16 Tigerion 1081
17 Googolplex 1059
18 Scrool07 1058
19 Axl 1030
20 Chiron 1011
20 Salvarani 1011
22 Comodoro 995
23 SemirS 992
24 Squire 988
25 LightBing 972
26 GPBlanco 971
27 Fauniera 969
28 BikeRacer33 967
29 Kazistuta 947
30 SafeBet 941
31 BicycleBoy 910
32 Handbrake 901
33 Leadbelly 886
34 Minessa 873
35 Search 842
36 Vladimir 831
37 Hakkie2 817
38 Shalgo 809
39 BluesInTheBottle 780
40 Caruut 774
41 Trudgin 738
42 PremierAndrew 654
43 Laarsland 589
44 Koronin 404
Collective_Wisdom 941

Tomorrow and Sunday are the sort of day's on which commentators will say your can't win the Giro, but you could lose it. Same applies here.
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