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10 Sep 2017 15:12

Ah well, he's still only 25 and got 8th and 12th in two grand tours in a row, with the second one being the hardest course. Maybe he will find his attacking spirit later on
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10 Sep 2017 15:21

That's actually something that came up when discussing his performance last year: how many riders do become more aggressive later in their careers? How often do people become more impulsive the older they are? There's Evans. Arguably, Nibali, until this year at least. I don't see any reason to hope Meintjes will make it to that very short list.

And hey, if he does, great for him and great for cycling fans in general, you know? But I'm not going to cut him any slack now.
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10 Sep 2017 17:07

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Ah well, he's still only 25 and got 8th and 12th in two grand tours in a row, with the second one being the hardest course. Maybe he will find his attacking spirit later on

What? When you get older and older, you start to gain experience and some wisdom during the race. When you are a rookie/young rider normally you do silly mistakes and stupid attacks... so I don't think meinjtes will improve but he will not get worse because it is impossible to get worse...
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17 Nov 2017 11:10

http://www.cicloweb.it/2017/11/17/louis-meintjes-giro-ditalia/amp/
The Great Attacker will target Il Giro in 2018.
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17 Nov 2017 17:34

Alexandre B. wrote:http://www.cicloweb.it/2017/11/17/louis-meintjes-giro-ditalia/amp/
The Great Attacker will target Il Giro in 2018.

Makes sense. Contador has retired so meintjes can't use his team to chase him early in mountain stages anymore. Therefore it's now time to look for new goals.
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17 Nov 2017 20:15

Jokes aside, the longer, hard Giro mountain stages should suit him more, he's a diesel climber and he has done pretty well on this kind of stages before.
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18 Nov 2017 13:15

Mayomaniac wrote:Jokes aside, the longer, hard Giro mountain stages should suit him more, he's a diesel climber and he has done pretty well on this kind of stages before.


More like the last carriage of a train and the weird thing is because the cameras always show the back and the front of the bunch, he gets more camera time than many much better riders ! He is like Zubeldia's celebrity cousin.........
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18 Nov 2017 13:39

I think he is a bit of a cross between Horner and one of the Yates brothers.
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18 Nov 2017 14:50

and he is targetting the 2020 tour and he hipes winning it... I'm laughing so hard right now
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19 Nov 2017 04:42

He seems to have better endurance than both the Yates brother's but seems to start GT's on the back foot. I'm hopeful he can do a top 5 at the Giro next year and ride more aggressively.
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19 Nov 2017 10:05

greenedge wrote:He seems to have better endurance than both the Yates brother's but seems to start GT's on the back foot. I'm hopeful he can do a top 5 at the Giro next year and ride more aggressively.


Not sure about that. They are not afraid to attack while he never attacks although maybe he's not good enough to attack. It has to happen sooner or later.
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19 Nov 2017 11:44

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19 Nov 2017 12:16

greenedge wrote:He seems to have better endurance than both the Yates brother's but seems to start GT's on the back foot. I'm hopeful he can do a top 5 at the Giro next year and ride more aggressively.

Wouldn't be possible to ride less aggressively, so the latter part of that isn't the most adventurous requirement.

He has an incredible knack of always having exactly the right amount of strength required to be absolutely on his limit and unable to do a turn yet always just supposedly strong enough to follow the tempo.

Seriously, though, the Giro might be good for him. It's the race least given to conservative tempo riding (2012 excepted) and it's harder for him to justify riding defensively to protect 8th place as is his tendency, and so he might be forced into taking a bit more responsibility on. Unfortunately for him, at this point he does not have the TT weapon that pre-Mendrisio Evans, Leipheimer, even for a more direct comparison van Garderen have, so if he wants to progress above his current niche, he's going to have to learn to show his face at some point, whether that be by improving his TT enough to be a threat in them, or becoming a more interesting and active racer in the mountains. At the moment I could walk past him on the street and have no idea who he was.
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bob.a.feet wrote:Image

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19 Nov 2017 21:05

greenedge wrote:I'm hopeful he can do a top 5 at the Giro next year and ride more aggressively.

Why, though?

I mean, why would anyone but his closest relatives and friends hope for anything good (sports-wise) to happen to him?
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19 Nov 2017 22:54

Maybe it's just the constant Eurosport hype of him and I finally want them to be proven right instead of getting annoyed every time they mention him. Mainly because if he rides aggressively and gets a top 5 it would be a good confirmation from him. Also I think the climbs will suit him a lot so i'm intrigued to see whether he can go well.
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19 Nov 2017 23:17

Libertine Seguros wrote:
greenedge wrote:He seems to have better endurance than both the Yates brother's but seems to start GT's on the back foot. I'm hopeful he can do a top 5 at the Giro next year and ride more aggressively.

Wouldn't be possible to ride less aggressively, so the latter part of that isn't the most adventurous requirement.

He has an incredible knack of always having exactly the right amount of strength required to be absolutely on his limit and unable to do a turn yet always just supposedly strong enough to follow the tempo.

Seriously, though, the Giro might be good for him. It's the race least given to conservative tempo riding (2012 excepted) and it's harder for him to justify riding defensively to protect 8th place as is his tendency, and so he might be forced into taking a bit more responsibility on. Unfortunately for him, at this point he does not have the TT weapon that pre-Mendrisio Evans, Leipheimer, even for a more direct comparison van Garderen have, so if he wants to progress above his current niche, he's going to have to learn to show his face at some point, whether that be by improving his TT enough to be a threat in them, or becoming a more interesting and active racer in the mountains. At the moment I could walk past him on the street and have no idea who he was.


Why would a team sign him ? He's not a winner, not even a stage winner. You are only signing him for what he might do in the future but sponsors want more than that these days usually. If it's not lack of confidence which I think it partially is he has to try more. Either target stages or change his schedule. Aiming for top 10 results based simply on endurance makes even formerly timid riders like Evans look like Cancellara. Evans tried and usually paid for his efforts but he became better at managing his efforts over three weeks. But comparing Evans with him is like apples and oranges. Even Moncoutie targeted the KOM jersey and sometimes won stages even though he was often very passive in his races and couldn't ride in the bunch. His style was to sit on the back until the race hit the right stage for him to try something.
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20 Nov 2017 01:44

portugal11 wrote:and he is targetting the 2020 tour and he hipes winning it... I'm laughing so hard right now


It's 2017 right now, he is fairly young, and he already climbs at a consistently very high level. Winning the Tour in 2020 is not that ridiculous a dream.

Or nightmare, for the forum :D
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20 Nov 2017 07:52

gregrowlerson wrote:
portugal11 wrote:and he is targetting the 2020 tour and he hipes winning it... I'm laughing so hard right now


It's 2017 right now, he is fairly young, and he already climbs at a consistently very high level. Winning the Tour in 2020 is not that ridiculous a dream.

Or nightmare, for the forum :D


Maybe when he has a team like Froome, he just needs to follow his teammates who will crush every one else :lol:
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20 Nov 2017 09:18

gregrowlerson wrote:
portugal11 wrote:and he is targetting the 2020 tour and he hipes winning it... I'm laughing so hard right now


It's 2017 right now, he is fairly young, and he already climbs at a consistently very high level. Winning the Tour in 2020 is not that ridiculous a dream.

Or nightmare, for the forum :D

c'mon man, he is always hanging on, even when there is 20 riders in the peloton. his time trialling is awful so how the hell can he win the tour against froome, quintana, (maybe bernal), aru, dumoulin? he only can target a top5, this should be his dream (unfortunately for us)
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