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09 Jul 2018 21:28

Red Rick wrote:Did Dumoulin even recon the cobbles?

Yes, he went there earlier this year.
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09 Jul 2018 22:17

Looking good for Tommy D but can he really hang on until the ITT in week 3.
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10 Jul 2018 00:16

Robert5091 wrote:Looking good fro Toomy D but can he really hang on until the ITT in week 3.


The comparison between Froome and Dumoulin in the third week will be interesting to watch.
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10 Jul 2018 01:01

I think he'll crack hard in the 3rd week. He's a big guy...it's probably going to be harder for him to keep a high high level of form to compete in two consecutive gt's.
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10 Jul 2018 06:42

There's two ways to this. You could also say he has got a bigger engine than those small climbers (Quintana) and could diesel it better for 2 GT's.

Besides, he's not that big, he is the same height as Froome and only a few kg heavier. In peak weight between 69-71kg
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10 Jul 2018 07:23

I presume currently the general level of Dimoulin and Froome is considerably higher than Bardet, Nibali, Landa and other Tour contenders. They are the riders of exclusive quality, so both finishing at top-5 would be rather logical than sensational.
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10 Jul 2018 07:29

dacooley wrote:I presume currently the general level of Dimoulin and Froome is considerably higher than Bardet, Nibali, Landa and other Tour contenders. They are the riders of exclusive quality, so both finishing at top-5 would be rather logical than sensational.

Agree, wouldn't be surprised if Dumoulin finished top-5 at all. I still consider Froome to be on a different level, at least when it comes to doing the double. Tom is on uncharted territory.
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10 Jul 2018 07:35

Valv.Piti wrote:
dacooley wrote:I presume currently the general level of Dimoulin and Froome is considerably higher than Bardet, Nibali, Landa and other Tour contenders. They are the riders of exclusive quality, so both finishing at top-5 would be rather logical than sensational.

Agree, wouldn't be surprised if Dumoulin finished top-5 at all. I still consider Froome to be on a different level, at least when it comes to doing the double. Tom is on uncharted territory.

This. Dimoulin is the best time trialist in the world and somewhere close to Froome at dosing effort and pacing himself uphill. The latter is quite possibly is a key skill in modern high-tech cycling, because wiping out the whole field with a courage of sparkling repeated attacks is getting increasingly harder.
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10 Jul 2018 08:17

Jspear wrote:I think he'll crack hard in the 3rd week. He's a big guy...it's probably going to be harder for him to keep a high high level of form to compete in two consecutive gt's.

The one time iv'e seen Dumoulin crack, was in the last stage of a Vuelta (unprepared!) vs Aru, Quintana, Valverde, Landa, Chaves and Rodriguez. This isn't a guy who's going to crack when he's prepared for a race. His engine is big enough for two GT's, but mentally is more important than physical. So Froome has the advantage in that department, perhaps.
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10 Jul 2018 08:20

This typically isn't as much about engine as much as it is about how much base level a rider has. I'm also convinced Quintana messed up somewhere last year and is capable of a way better Giro/Tour double than he did.
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Re: Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

12 Jul 2018 17:13

So Tom got a 20 second penalty? If he gained more
than 20 seconds by blatantly drafting his own team car
in full view of the TV cameras, I guess it was good tactics.
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12 Jul 2018 17:18

For people who think he wasn't good because he was with Kragh Andersen after the mechanical. Nope.

Dumoulin said he felt good which is why today stunk so bad. He said there was a movement in the peloton and he had nowhere to go so he hit somebody's back wheel (Bardet) and he broke all his spokes. He switched wheels with Geschke and just went from there. No word about the time penalty (but i don't think he was informed at the time of the interview)
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12 Jul 2018 18:03

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:For people who think he wasn't good because he was with Kragh Andersen after the mechanical. Nope.

Dumoulin said he felt good which is why today stunk so bad. He said there was a movement in the peloton and he had nowhere to go so he hit somebody's back wheel (Bardet) and he broke all his spokes. He switched wheels with Geschke and just went from there. No word about the time penalty (but i don't think he was informed at the time of the interview)


I heard somebody found a voodoo doll by the roadside. It had "Dumoulin" scrawled on the forehead and pins stuck in it.
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12 Jul 2018 18:09

Bad luck. It happens. Now get over it and continue!

His form looks good. But we know that it will be the third week that counts.
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12 Jul 2018 18:47

Pretty sure he would've done top 10 if not for the mechanical. Really unfortunate. Now I just hope he'll go well on the cobbles. That massive engine should help.
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12 Jul 2018 19:14

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:For people who think he wasn't good because he was with Kragh Andersen after the mechanical. Nope.


Why would anyone think that? Kragh Andersen is able to set a massive pace on a hill like that.
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12 Jul 2018 19:31

Baldinger wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:For people who think he wasn't good because he was with Kragh Andersen after the mechanical. Nope.


Why would anyone think that? Kragh Andersen is able to set a massive pace on a hill like that.


Yeah, I really would have liked to see him (Kragh) go for it on that finale. He looked very good yesterday but was positioned badly at the bottom.
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12 Jul 2018 22:27

Hopefully he bounce back on Sunday
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13 Jul 2018 08:55

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:For people who think he wasn't good because he was with Kragh Andersen after the mechanical. Nope.

Dumoulin said he felt good which is why today stunk so bad. He said there was a movement in the peloton and he had nowhere to go so he hit somebody's back wheel (Bardet) and he broke all his spokes. He switched wheels with Geschke and just went from there. No word about the time penalty (but i don't think he was informed at the time of the interview)


Maybe he felt good and as he is an honest guy it's probably true but he still conceded 20 seconds on the climb to Dan Martin and even around 15 seconds to a somewhat struggling Froome. Why couldn't he go faster? The headwind? Or the last 3 km was too exhausting for him? It doesn't look very promising for the mountains anyway. I think it's a worrying sign and combined with the quick loss of two of his best helpers (Kelderman and Matthews) and with the 70 seconds (with the penalty) lost yesterday his chances for a good result seems to be very slim now. I hope that I'm wrong on this btw.
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13 Jul 2018 09:09

kiszol wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:For people who think he wasn't good because he was with Kragh Andersen after the mechanical. Nope.

Dumoulin said he felt good which is why today stunk so bad. He said there was a movement in the peloton and he had nowhere to go so he hit somebody's back wheel (Bardet) and he broke all his spokes. He switched wheels with Geschke and just went from there. No word about the time penalty (but i don't think he was informed at the time of the interview)


Maybe he felt good and as he is an honest guy it's probably true but he still conceded 20 seconds on the climb to Dan Martin and even around 15 seconds to a somewhat struggling Froome. Why couldn't he go faster? The headwind? Or the last 3 km was too exhausting for him? It doesn't look very promising for the mountains anyway. I think it's a worrying sign and combined with the quick loss of two of his best helpers (Kelderman and Matthews) and with the 70 seconds (with the penalty) lost yesterday his chances for a good result seems to be very slim now. I hope that I'm wrong on this btw.

He had already been chasing a bit, which really ruins your climbing time on a short hill.

Do we have an exact number of the time gap at the foot of the hill?
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