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24 Sep 2018 18:09

DNP-Old wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Is it normal that the U23 and juniors ride the exact same ITT?

It's completely random. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Personally, I love it. Now we get to see how well Evenepoel would do against Bjerg (to some extent).

It would make sense if it were on the same day.
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Re: World Championships Innsbruck 2018

24 Sep 2018 18:09

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Cance > TheRest wrote:With certainty you can say that he rode up the hills faster because he was stronger, but then again maybe the juniors will be more fresh for the hills, because they cannot step on the pedals when it's slightly downhill. It's difficult to compare, but I agree that having heavier gears will always be an advantage on a course like this. Question is how much


U23 can shift down, right? They have the choice to grind a bigger gear, but they aren't obligated to. Juniors can't shift higher if they wanted to. Or am i missing something? These guys aren't riding fixed gears, are they?

I think there's an upper limit to the biggest gear they can ride :o
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Re: World Championships Innsbruck 2018

24 Sep 2018 18:16

Red Rick wrote:I think there's an upper limit to the biggest gear they can ride :o

Yes, that's what i meant, juniors can't ride as big a gear as the U23, but the there is nothing stopping the U23 of riding a smaller gear. Hence what i meant, that when comparing times, the juniors are always at a disadvantage, since they can't grind the big gears on sections where it would be beneficial.
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24 Sep 2018 18:29

Anyway. 1-2-3-4 for Dutch women?

Personally I don't believe much in Brand. And someone might become in between the others. So I'm guessing 1-2-5-7
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24 Sep 2018 18:37

what are Dumoulins chances, is he back on track for the ITT ?
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24 Sep 2018 18:44

Lexman wrote:what are Dumoulins chances, is he back on track for the ITT ?

He didn't know his form going into the TTT, but said he felt good.

So Imma go with he's good and not amazeballs like last year.
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24 Sep 2018 18:48

Red Rick wrote:
Lexman wrote:what are Dumoulins chances, is he back on track for the ITT ?

He didn't know his form going into the TTT, but said he felt good.

So Imma go with he's good and not amazeballs like last year.


top 5, podium?
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24 Sep 2018 18:51

what might Schachmann be able to do in the ITT?
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24 Sep 2018 18:56

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DNP-Old wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Does Bjerg have a pro contract for next year?

With Axeon, yes.

Do they ride any bigger races? I'm not really up to speed on the pro conti scene.

Anyway, kid is super young. Big prospects for classics as well?


I learned today, that he started cycling at 15 - and remember he won the U23 TT at age 18, last year (and can ride for this title the next 3 years).

So, he is incredible on the TT bike, but still a relative novice in road races.

Pro-conti is a good level for him the next couple of years, to learn the ropes of road racing.
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24 Sep 2018 19:29

Lexman wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Lexman wrote:what are Dumoulins chances, is he back on track for the ITT ?

He didn't know his form going into the TTT, but said he felt good.

So Imma go with he's good and not amazeballs like last year.


top 5, podium?

With this course I find it hard not to see him win. I think he'd have to be on a pretty average day to lose.

And before people start shouting Dennis. He never convinced in TT's longer than 40 minutes and certainly not with such a climb in it. The course just shouts Dumoulin. But who knows..

Even a Richmond scenario with both Dumo and Dennis not podium is possible, worlds ITT is often weird
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24 Sep 2018 19:54

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
Lexman wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Lexman wrote:what are Dumoulins chances, is he back on track for the ITT ?

He didn't know his form going into the TTT, but said he felt good.

So Imma go with he's good and not amazeballs like last year.


top 5, podium?

With this course I find it hard not to see him win. I think he'd have to be on a pretty average day to lose.

And before people start shouting Dennis. He never convinced in TT's longer than 40 minutes and certainly not with such a climb in it. The course just shouts Dumoulin. But who knows..

Even a Richmond scenario with both Dumo and Dennis not podium is possible, worlds ITT is often weird

Not sure if intended

Dennis' winning time in the Giro ITT was 40'00.

I'd be shocked if someone else than Dennis beat Dumoulin.
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24 Sep 2018 20:15

40m flat course is perfect yeah. I'm not sure a 1h+ 52km hilly course with a 5km steep climb in it is
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24 Sep 2018 20:15

When do the juniors start tomorrow?
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24 Sep 2018 20:17

Red Rick wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
Lexman wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Lexman wrote:what are Dumoulins chances, is he back on track for the ITT ?

He didn't know his form going into the TTT, but said he felt good.

So Imma go with he's good and not amazeballs like last year.


top 5, podium?

With this course I find it hard not to see him win. I think he'd have to be on a pretty average day to lose.

And before people start shouting Dennis. He never convinced in TT's longer than 40 minutes and certainly not with such a climb in it. The course just shouts Dumoulin. But who knows..

Even a Richmond scenario with both Dumo and Dennis not podium is possible, worlds ITT is often weird

Not sure if intended

Dennis' winning time in the Giro ITT was 40'00.

I'd be shocked if someone else than Dennis beat Dumoulin.


So, if he'd had been a second slower on the course, he would have proven to be good over more than 40 minutes?? (Here, I feel we miss a very confused emoticon struggling with wrapping its head around a paradox).
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24 Sep 2018 20:17

Red Rick wrote:When do the juniors start tomorrow?


Around 10 am, I think.
That's when TV coverage starts here, and I'm pretty sure Denmark is the same time-zone as Austria.
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24 Sep 2018 20:31

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yaco wrote:There are two non-brainers - Matthews is the replacement rider.

Nick Schultz
http://www.cicloweb.it/2018/09/23/laustralia-sceglie-schultz-come-sostituto-di-porte-ancora-delusione-per-matthews/

Come on - what is this ****? Matthews is even a better climber than Schultz. And yes, the chances are high that Matthews would have been dropped at some point but together with Sagan and van Avermaet he is probably the best climber of the Sprinters. He even finished Avenir in the top10. Did he **** the coaches daughter or wife?


Starting to think it might be a Vanendert situation.
A guy who doesn't get called up because he refuses to work for others.

Nope, Matthews said straight out he’s got little chance on this course and was hoping to help Porte have a shot. They could justify an in form O’Connor over Matthews on this course and maybe McCarthy, but that’s it.

Cycling Australia has been making very strange decisions recently. They didn’t want to take a full women’s team last year, they are only taking one woman to the ITT this year, despite qualifying two and Shara Gillow riding the road race anyway. They haven’t given the U23 men’s champ a chance to ride even though he’s one of the 2-3 best U23 climbers (they didn’t take him to L’Avenir either). Then there’s the BS with their track selections, and habitual screwing over of riders like Ben Dyball.

It’s no coincidence that some of Australia’s best riders ATM like Porte and O’Connor wanted little or nothing to do with CA and found their own path.
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24 Sep 2018 20:36

TT should be well over an hour, even with tailwind, although you could argue that the descent isn't much pedaling
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24 Sep 2018 20:46

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:40m flat course is perfect yeah. I'm not sure a 1h+ 52km hilly course with a 5km steep climb in it is


1 CANCELLARA Fabian Switzerland 350 300 45.343 1:12:15
2 DUMOULIN Tom Netherlands 250 220 44.856 0:47
3 FROOME Chris Great Britain 200 170 44.703 1:02
4 CASTROVIEJO Jonathan Spain 150 130 44.663 1:06
5 DENNIS Rohan Australia 125 100 44.622 1:10
6 BODNAR Maciej Poland 100 90 44.220 1:50
7 OLIVEIRA Nelson Portugal 85 80 44.121 2:00
8 IZAGIRRE Ion Spain 70 70 44.062 2:06
9 THOMAS Geraint Great Britain 60 60 43.758 2:37
10 ROGLIČ Primož Slovenia 50 50 43.729 2:4

The Olympics TT. Dennis lost a medal because of a bike change.
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24 Sep 2018 20:50

there's a saying for that in dutch "1 zwaluw maakt nog geen zomer"

1 result does not confirm ****
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24 Sep 2018 20:53

yaco wrote:Strange that Stannard is not riding the ITT at either the junior or under 23 level. Reckon he could have come second if he rode the under 23's and would have been hard to beat at the under 20's.


I don't see how Stannard could have become second today :confused: He isn't really known for his ITT is he? And there wasn't a punchy climb in this.
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