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16 Dec 2017 10:05

swuzzlebubble wrote:
yaco wrote:
swuzzlebubble wrote:You've got Power in the Vuelta twice


Hence my comment about not taking my post as gospel - Do you have any ideas to throw into the mix ?

Well I'd take Trentin to the Tour to target some stages and assist the sprints.
I'd rate Nieve ahead of Yates for GC too so I'd at least have him as a protected rider with Haig and/or RK as support.

Also I think Durbridge or Tuft for the Tour to drive the TTT and be the big engine on the flatlands.


Remembered I left out Bauer - Well suited to the TDF with cobbles/TTT and lead out for Ewan.
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03 Feb 2018 12:16

Mitchelton Scott Conti team is now to be sponsored by Sun Holdings from Hong Kong - This is the fourth richest family in Hong Kong - I suspect the aim is to have them involved in sponsoring the World Tour team. Somehow the Conti team got an invite to the Tour of Dubai.
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03 Feb 2018 15:11

It's good to see A.Yates and particularly Kreuziger performing well at Valenciana - Adam will be lonely at times in 2018 and Kreuziger (form permitting) will be his right hand man.
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04 Feb 2018 04:48

yaco wrote:It's good to see A.Yates and particularly Kreuziger performing well at Valenciana - Adam will be lonely at times in 2018 and Kreuziger (form permitting) will be his right hand man.


I will agree that Kreuziger with AY looks to be a likely combination as I suspect Chaves will have a strong view on who he has riding with him at Giro and most likely Vuelta. SY will most likely ride one GT with Chaves but Haig may get the nod for the other as B option. Nieve and where/who he fits in with will be interesting to see how it plays out as a fit and in form Howson already has a major "in" with Chaves.

As for Kreuziger; I suspect he will be wanting some legitimate opportunities to ride for himself if (particularly Ardennes week) otherwise it's a bankable certainty that he will be riding elsewhere next year.
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04 Feb 2018 05:18

Apparently Kreuziger is happy with the team and has fitted in well to the team culture - His performance in Valenciana is at the required level and hoping it continues in 2018 - From what I understand his program will mirror A.Yates. The team for the Giro will be interesting but will be more climbing focused than at the TDF - Disappointing that Bewley fractured his arm as this is the third serious type of injury after just a month of racing.
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04 Feb 2018 06:55

yaco wrote:Apparently Kreuziger is happy with the team and has fitted in well to the team culture - His performance in Valenciana is at the required level and hoping it continues in 2018 - From what I understand his program will mirror A.Yates. The team for the Giro will be interesting but will be more climbing focused than at the TDF - Disappointing that Bewley fractured his arm as this is the third serious type of injury after just a month of racing.


Finding his work environment agreeable and his team colleagues amicable company are certainly plus points but Kreuziger is a rider of sufficient stature that he was NOT signed merely to ride as a key domestique in GTs and certain stage races but also to have his own opportunities to ride for results at significant races suitable to his skills set.

Just where is he going to be given those opportunities ? During Ardennes week; he already has Albasini who has podiums at all 3; Impey in the frame for AGR let alone either of the Yates or Chaves. I grant that the late season races (Bretagne & the 2 Laurentian classics) are possibilities but the bird may've already flown the coop as regards contracts.
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04 Feb 2018 08:48

dirkprovin wrote:
yaco wrote:Apparently Kreuziger is happy with the team and has fitted in well to the team culture - His performance in Valenciana is at the required level and hoping it continues in 2018 - From what I understand his program will mirror A.Yates. The team for the Giro will be interesting but will be more climbing focused than at the TDF - Disappointing that Bewley fractured his arm as this is the third serious type of injury after just a month of racing.


Finding his work environment agreeable and his team colleagues amicable company are certainly plus points but Kreuziger is a rider of sufficient stature that he was NOT signed merely to ride as a key domestique in GTs and certain stage races but also to have his own opportunities to ride for results at significant races suitable to his skills set.

Just where is he going to be given those opportunities ? During Ardennes week; he already has Albasini who has podiums at all 3; Impey in the frame for AGR let alone either of the Yates or Chaves. I grant that the late season races (Bretagne & the 2 Laurentian classics) are possibilities but the bird may've already flown the coop as regards contracts.


Ultimately it comes down to whether the team and rider are happy - There is every possibility that Kreuziger could go for a stage win in a one week tour or even a GT - My impression is he is happy with his current role - It's interesting that EWAN will be riding the Tour Of California for the TDF - Nearly all the big sprinters will be at this race so it will be a good dress rehearsal for the TDF - Classics,PR and Flanders type races will be for Trentin and Durbridge with Edmondson in training - Ardennes classics will be Impey and Kreuziger for the AMG, Fleche Wallone is undecided, while LBL is Albasini and one of the climbers probably A.Yates.
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05 Feb 2018 07:41

Would be crazy if Albasini won't get at least a protected role at Fleche, from 2008 his record at the race is 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 2nd, 21st, 7th, 3rd, 7th, 5th. After Valverde, that is in an own category far away from others, he's one of the best in the race.
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05 Feb 2018 12:42

Nirvana wrote:Would be crazy if Albasini won't get at least a protected role at Fleche, from 2008 his record at the race is 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 2nd, 21st, 7th, 3rd, 7th, 5th. After Valverde, that is in an own category far away from others, he's one of the best in the race.


Trouble is he won't beat Valverde in his usual form, he is a podium at best, some of the younger riders are closer to Valverde now. He never had much luck and sometimes his tactics were not great in the last km or so. Unlucky not to have a classic win, very consistent. At Liege he got caught on the front for too long and cost himself the race.
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05 Feb 2018 15:49

Nirvana wrote:Would be crazy if Albasini won't get at least a protected role at Fleche, from 2008 his record at the race is 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 2nd, 21st, 7th, 3rd, 7th, 5th. After Valverde, that is in an own category far away from others, he's one of the best in the race.


Albasini is always a protected rider in the Ardennes - MS want Chaves to have a crack at Fleche Wallone - Will happen this year or next.
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05 Feb 2018 16:10

Let Kreziguer lead liege, he was maybe the strongest rider in the race last year. Albasini won't win. Impey might have a shot at winning as well tho.
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05 Feb 2018 18:24

movingtarget wrote:
Nirvana wrote:Would be crazy if Albasini won't get at least a protected role at Fleche, from 2008 his record at the race is 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 2nd, 21st, 7th, 3rd, 7th, 5th. After Valverde, that is in an own category far away from others, he's one of the best in the race.


Trouble is he won't beat Valverde in his usual form, he is a podium at best, some of the younger riders are closer to Valverde now. He never had much luck and sometimes his tactics were not great in the last km or so. Unlucky not to have a classic win, very consistent. At Liege he got caught on the front for too long and cost himself the race.

No one will beat Valverde on Huy, if he win only by some second is because he waits for the last 300 meters and he stop pedaling before the line to celebrate, not because some riders are near to him.
Anyway Albasini is one of the favourites for the other two podium spots.
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06 Feb 2018 04:34

And Mitchelton Scott sign 19 year old Robert Stannard to their team for their 2019 - Currently riding for the Conti Squad he is super-talented rider - MS had him in their sights for a while, and I suggest the early signing is to stop what happened with Hamilton, Storer and Hindley last year.
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24 Feb 2018 06:02

Quite interested to see what MS can do this year in the classics. They have generally punched above their weight with those monument wins, but I reckon their classics squad looks much more developed and well balanced now. I think they'll be in the mix in most finales. I'd really like to see Durbridge break through for a big win.
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19 Mar 2018 00:17

Have Mitchelton Scott ever been at the top of both the individual and team rankings in their short history?

After what I thought was an average and under performing 2016 the team is looking much better balanced this year and things look very interesting for the Spring racing. I am trying to recall a period of time where the team has performed so well across different races in a short 2 week period. Tirreno Adriatico, Paris-Nice and last weekend at MIlan-San Remo where Caleb Ewan had Trentin, Impey and Juul Jensen as team support in the front bunch and all an option to try for the win if things hadn't worked out for Ewan.

I too think that Durbridge can be the dark horse over the Spring classics (if he can stay upright). Not sure if they will keep loading up Impey but he is in career best form and can just about ride and be in contention in any race. When you talk about Kreuziger I think he will get his chances at MS, they have always been good with giving nearly all of their riders some chances at going for the win themselves. The Catalunya race is one where you wouldn't have normally considered Orica or MS in the past but that is a strong climbing team they have there with the Yates brothers and Chavez all in form, plus the young talent of Verona, Haig and Power, plus Impey to go for the flatter stage. Would have been good to see how Neive went with these young guys but a training mishap has him out for a few weeks.

Even though the team has some excellent time triallers they do lack a potential ITT winner at any stage. Durbridge, Tuft, Impey and Bewley form a great TTT team but if they had the likes of Dennis that would really set the team up well. I wonder if they will groom Hepburn to be that type of racer, or will he be the man to takeover from Tuft and do the strongman role?

Also of interest is Damien Howson. After the superb Vuelta of 2016 and his Herald Sun Tour win in 2017 he seemed to drop off a bit (not sure if he was injured or ill) and a couple of the young Aussie guys in Haig and Power seemed to step up to that mountain domestique role. Anyone know what MS have in store for him and where he might race over the next 3 months?
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19 Mar 2018 05:00

Actually MS is riding exceptionally well, yet I don't believe they have got full value from their race results - They've given some of their riders an interesting calendar - Haig two race days so far, Verona three race days so far, Albasini has hardly ridden, Power did the Herald Sun Tour and was a last minute replacement for Strade Bianche and for Catalunya, first year pro L.Hamilton has been treated with kid gloves, while Howson hasn;t ridden since Australia.

All I know is the Giro and the Vuelta team will be built around climbers and the TDF around Ewan.
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19 Mar 2018 10:46

yaco wrote:Actually MS is riding exceptionally well, yet I don't believe they have got full value from their race results - They've given some of their riders an interesting calendar - Haig two race days so far, Verona three race days so far, Albasini has hardly ridden, Power did the Herald Sun Tour and was a last minute replacement for Strade Bianche and for Catalunya, first year pro L.Hamilton has been treated with kid gloves, while Howson hasn;t ridden since Australia.

All I know is the Giro and the Vuelta team will be built around climbers and the TDF around Ewan.


Power a last minute replacement? Jeez, he rode as if he had targeted it. Great to finally see a bit of his talent...
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19 Mar 2018 12:25

Actually I would have sent L.Hamilton to Catalunya and allowed Power to focus on Coppi Bartali - Anyway apparently Albasini has been sick but will ride Coppi Bartali - Anyway at a minumum MS should be targetting a podium on GC and a stage win.
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20 Mar 2018 20:34

Great stage 2 of Catalunya for MS. Would have been great to see Impey finish off with the stage win but Valverde was strong. Great to see Haig, Power and Verona finish in the main bunch at the finish after doing a heap of work in that last 20kms.
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21 Mar 2018 06:27

The Hegelian wrote:
yaco wrote:Actually MS is riding exceptionally well, yet I don't believe they have got full value from their race results - They've given some of their riders an interesting calendar - Haig two race days so far, Verona three race days so far, Albasini has hardly ridden, Power did the Herald Sun Tour and was a last minute replacement for Strade Bianche and for Catalunya, first year pro L.Hamilton has been treated with kid gloves, while Howson hasn;t ridden since Australia.

All I know is the Giro and the Vuelta team will be built around climbers and the TDF around Ewan.


Power a last minute replacement? Jeez, he rode as if he had targeted it. Great to finally see a bit of his talent...

It’s easy to forget, but Power had an even better U23 palmares than Haig when he was a full year younger - and not by a small amount either. At full health he’s a serious talent, better than Haig and Howson.
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