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What will Valverde's impact be the cycling world in 2012

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22 Apr 2018 18:03

toolittle wrote:
Blanco wrote:The king is dead :(


See Philippe Gilbert today. He attacked around 20km to go. Bought back then Bob Jungels go immediately.
Gilbert rare to work for others before. It is a nice transformation for a team. May be QS has learnt from Boonen late reasons.

Look at Movistar's starts list. QS is stronger but Movistar won't be too far away. But they put Valverde as the unique leader.


And Valverde tell them all to stop on the Raf, right? :rolleyes:
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22 Apr 2018 18:35

Alejandro just said that that's the end of the first part part of the season and he's satisfied with how well his return has gone.
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22 Apr 2018 19:03

He just lacks some form atm. Maybe he wanted to return on a high level too soon, which means he's drained out now.

A difference too is that the Ardennes classics were raced way more agressively this year comparing last years. It's way more difficult for Valverde and Movistar to control things, especially when the team is weaker with the departure of the Izagirre and Herrada brothers, Castroviejo and others. Eventually it means that Valverde has to use his energy really early, and then it's really difficult to make the right choices in the end.
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22 Apr 2018 19:09

They've lost too many good riders over the past two years. A mass exodus from the team which is very unusual for them. Thus leading to believe there are some major problems at that team right now. Unfortunately it's also screwing Valverde out of some major history which is the worst part.

Yes he may have come back at too high of a level of form too soon, which is likely, esp since he said he was cramping from about the halfway point of the race. He can fix this for next year. What he can't fix is the disaster this team is turning into right now.
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22 Apr 2018 20:19

Blanco wrote:The king is dead :(


The king isn’t dead. He doesn’t win Liege every year. He’ll be back.
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22 Apr 2018 20:35

Jspear wrote:
Blanco wrote:The king is dead :(


The king isn’t dead. He doesn’t win Liege every year. He’ll be back.



This. He's actually never won Liege in back to back years.
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23 Apr 2018 01:57

Koronin wrote:They've lost too many good riders over the past two years. A mass exodus from the team which is very unusual for them. Thus leading to believe there are some major problems at that team right now. Unfortunately it's also screwing Valverde out of some major history which is the worst part.

Yes he may have come back at too high of a level of form too soon, which is likely, esp since he said he was cramping from about the halfway point of the race. He can fix this for next year. What he can't fix is the disaster this team is turning into right now.


The issue is reasonably straightforward: you can’t pay three very expensive leaders and a quality cadre of support riders and prospects unless you have a huge budget. They spent their high end domestique money on Landa.

As for whether Valverde can get back to his Spring 2017 level, maybe, but time gets everyone in the end. 39 is old. That fact also helps explain why they would spend so much of their money on an otherwise extraneous young Spanish leader.
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23 Apr 2018 02:24

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Koronin wrote:They've lost too many good riders over the past two years. A mass exodus from the team which is very unusual for them. Thus leading to believe there are some major problems at that team right now. Unfortunately it's also screwing Valverde out of some major history which is the worst part.

Yes he may have come back at too high of a level of form too soon, which is likely, esp since he said he was cramping from about the halfway point of the race. He can fix this for next year. What he can't fix is the disaster this team is turning into right now.


The issue is reasonably straightforward: you can’t pay three very expensive leaders and a quality cadre of support riders and prospects unless you have a huge budget. They spent their high end domestique money on Landa.

As for whether Valverde can get back to his Spring 2017 level, maybe, but time gets everyone in the end. 39 is old. That fact also helps explain why they would spend so much of their money on an otherwise extraneous young Spanish leader.


He's not 39. He turns 38 in a couple of days. He'll turn 39 NEXT April.

Also at almost 38 he happens be the only one on the team giving them any real results. They do need a young Spanish leader, which I think they are hoping Soler turns out to be. Truthfully I think they'd have been better off not keeping Quintana, not signing Landa, keeping the Izagirre brothers and turning to young Spanish talent like Soler to develop.
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23 Apr 2018 07:42

Sartorius wrote:He didn't win LBL and people are starting to talk about his retirement :-D You guys are funny :-D It's cycling, there are like 1000000000000 factors influencing the race. Also it looks like Valverde is not peaking at spring as hard as in past. And it also looks like he improved his climbing while sacrificing little bit of his anaerobic capabilities. He will have big win this year, don't worry :-)


Big win, such as... the overall and two stages at the Volta a Catalunya? :p
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23 Apr 2018 17:36

Patxi Vila: "I'd say that Peter and Valverde are the most complete riders and they really try to win almost every race they start. Valverde also competes in the Grand Tours. Those two guys can win 80 percent of the races they participate in."
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23 Apr 2018 17:39

RedheadDane wrote:
Sartorius wrote:He didn't win LBL and people are starting to talk about his retirement :-D You guys are funny :-D It's cycling, there are like 1000000000000 factors influencing the race. Also it looks like Valverde is not peaking at spring as hard as in past. And it also looks like he improved his climbing while sacrificing little bit of his anaerobic capabilities. He will have big win this year, don't worry :-)


Big win, such as... the overall and two stages at the Volta a Catalunya? :p

And big win in Abu Dhabi Tour also.
He had tally collected 8 very very important WT stages races win. :idea:
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23 Apr 2018 19:37

Abu Dhabi is one of those silly WT races, whereas Catalunya is a 100+ year old race that has been WT since there was something called WT.
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23 Apr 2018 19:49

RedheadDane wrote:Abu Dhabi is one of those silly WT races, whereas Catalunya is a 100+ year old race that has been WT since there was something called WT.

Still doesn't make it a big win. It's a few levels below Paris-nice, Tirreno-Adriatico, Criterium du Dauphiné, Vuelta al Pais Vasco and even Tour de Suisse.
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23 Apr 2018 19:53

El Pistolero wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:Abu Dhabi is one of those silly WT races, whereas Catalunya is a 100+ year old race that has been WT since there was something called WT.

Still doesn't make it a big win. It's a few levels below Paris-nice, Tirreno-Adriatico, Criterium du Dauphiné, Vuelta al Pais Vasco and even Tour de Suisse.


Maybe, rather than Catalunya not being big, it's simply those other races that are biger. ;)
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23 Apr 2018 20:36

One week ago, Paris-Nice wasn't a big race either. Which means that Catalunya is the teensiest tiniest little unimportant 100 year old WT race.
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23 Apr 2018 20:40

tobydawq wrote:One week ago, Paris-Nice wasn't a big race either. Which means that Catalunya is the teensiest tiniest little unimportant 100 year old WT race.


Exactly. And I think that a rider with most wins this season in fact didn't win anything :p
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23 Apr 2018 20:46

I think everyone agrees that the Tour has some sense of significance.
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23 Apr 2018 20:48

Blanco wrote:
tobydawq wrote:One week ago, Paris-Nice wasn't a big race either. Which means that Catalunya is the teensiest tiniest little unimportant 100 year old WT race.


Exactly. And I think that a rider with most wins this season in fact didn't win anything :p


No he didn't because it was either sprint, unimportant races or fictitiously unimportant races so they obviously don't count. Viviani is the real leader with six solid victories.
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23 Apr 2018 21:15

tobydawq wrote:
Blanco wrote:
tobydawq wrote:One week ago, Paris-Nice wasn't a big race either. Which means that Catalunya is the teensiest tiniest little unimportant 100 year old WT race.


Exactly. And I think that a rider with most wins this season in fact didn't win anything :p


No he didn't because it was either sprint, unimportant races or fictitiously unimportant races so they obviously don't count. Viviani is the real leader with six solid victories.


LOL, it's amazing isn't it?
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23 Apr 2018 21:48

tobydawq wrote:One week ago, Paris-Nice wasn't a big race either. Which means that Catalunya is the teensiest tiniest little unimportant 100 year old WT race.

Age alone doesn't make a race important. Milano-Torino is even older, but that doesn't make it important. Y'all were overhyping Valverde A LOT before the start of the Ardennes based on his performances in these weak *** Spanish races. Sure he has 9 wins this season, but he doesn't come close to Sagan's season so far (3 wins).
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