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What will Valverde's impact be the cycling world in 2012

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21 Aug 2017 14:45

Blanco wrote:
portugal11 wrote:
Forever The Best wrote:Also am I the only one who thinks Valverde could have won this years Tour without the crash? :(

Yes (if not, there are a lot of crazy men in this forum)... he would have lost at least 1 minute on mont du chat. He isn't a pure climber.


He's no less climber than Uran, Bardet and Martin, that's sure.

But he always finds a way in losing time in the high mountains.
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21 Aug 2017 22:49

I was reading Michele Ferrari's forum and noticed someone recently asked him about Valverde's longevity.

Ferrari responded "Valverde a mio parere è il più grande talento ciclistico degli ultimi 12 anni . Non ha mai esasperato i carichi di allenamento e per questo ha allungato la sua carriera."

According to google translate it means "Valverde is in my opinion the greatest cycling talent in the last 12 years. He has never exasperated the workloads and for this he has stretched his career."

Of course 12 years ago was 2005, the last TDF win by Ferrari's most infamous client. Regardless of what you think of Ferrari, it seems like pretty high praise to me. I really wish Valverde hadn't crashed out in this years tour, certainly would have made it much more interesting. Most likely would have made this years Vuelta more interesting as well.
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Re: Re:

21 Aug 2017 22:55

portugal11 wrote:
Blanco wrote:
portugal11 wrote:
Forever The Best wrote:Also am I the only one who thinks Valverde could have won this years Tour without the crash? :(

Yes (if not, there are a lot of crazy men in this forum)... he would have lost at least 1 minute on mont du chat. He isn't a pure climber.


He's no less climber than Uran, Bardet and Martin, that's sure.

But he always finds a way in losing time in the high mountains.


Climbing never was his problem but he allways struggled when the passes were 2000m+ high. Climbing from sea level to a mountain finish at 1000m and he will be among the best but when they reach Galibier or Stelvio he will struggle.

This years Tour included Galibier and Izoard. I think he would have lost minutes on both passes.
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22 Aug 2017 07:41

There were 3 high altitude stage in the Giro. He lost 3 minutes on the big Dolomite stage, was good on the Agnello-Risoul stage and was the 2nd best rider on the stage most affected by high altitude, going over Vars, Bonette and Lombarde, only a tad worse than a flying Nibali.
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22 Aug 2017 07:52

Valverde breaking is never a given. He can be inconsistent however
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22 Aug 2017 08:02

Valv.Piti wrote:There were 3 high altitude stage in the Giro. He lost 3 minutes on the big Dolomite stage, was good on the Agnello-Risoul stage and was the 2nd best rider on the stage most affected by high altitude, going over Vars, Bonette and Lombarde, only a tad worse than a flying Nibali.

I think the altitude thing is a bit of a red herring. And it's more that he tends to struggle on the very hardest multi-mountain stages, regardless of whether they are very high altitude or not. Of course, these often happen to be high altitude, so there is some correlation, but not always. For example, struggled badly on the Vuelta stage last year to Aubisque which didn't go particularly close to 2,000m - but which was a really tough ride. Just like the Dolomites stage was the hardest of last years Giro.

In which case he would probably have been fine on the Izoard and Galibier stages, because they really weren't very hard.
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22 Aug 2017 09:18

PPAR-delta wrote:I was reading Michele Ferrari's forum and noticed someone recently asked him about Valverde's longevity.

Ferrari responded "Valverde a mio parere è il più grande talento ciclistico degli ultimi 12 anni . Non ha mai esasperato i carichi di allenamento e per questo ha allungato la sua carriera."

According to google translate it means "Valverde is in my opinion the greatest cycling talent in the last 12 years. He has never exasperated the workloads and for this he has stretched his career."

Of course 12 years ago was 2005, the last TDF win by Ferrari's most infamous client. Regardless of what you think of Ferrari, it seems like pretty high praise to me. I really wish Valverde hadn't crashed out in this years tour, certainly would have made it much more interesting. Most likely would have made this years Vuelta more interesting as well.


Il dottore knows thing or two about cycling...
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22 Aug 2017 15:10

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22 Aug 2017 15:23

Blanco wrote:
PPAR-delta wrote:I was reading Michele Ferrari's forum and noticed someone recently asked him about Valverde's longevity.

Ferrari responded "Valverde a mio parere è il più grande talento ciclistico degli ultimi 12 anni . Non ha mai esasperato i carichi di allenamento e per questo ha allungato la sua carriera."

According to google translate it means "Valverde is in my opinion the greatest cycling talent in the last 12 years. He has never exasperated the workloads and for this he has stretched his career."

Of course 12 years ago was 2005, the last TDF win by Ferrari's most infamous client. Regardless of what you think of Ferrari, it seems like pretty high praise to me. I really wish Valverde hadn't crashed out in this years tour, certainly would have made it much more interesting. Most likely would have made this years Vuelta more interesting as well.


Il dottore knows thing or two about cycling...

Stuff like that warms my heart.
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22 Aug 2017 15:38

Valv.Piti wrote:
Blanco wrote:
PPAR-delta wrote:I was reading Michele Ferrari's forum and noticed someone recently asked him about Valverde's longevity.

Ferrari responded "Valverde a mio parere è il più grande talento ciclistico degli ultimi 12 anni . Non ha mai esasperato i carichi di allenamento e per questo ha allungato la sua carriera."

According to google translate it means "Valverde is in my opinion the greatest cycling talent in the last 12 years. He has never exasperated the workloads and for this he has stretched his career."

Of course 12 years ago was 2005, the last TDF win by Ferrari's most infamous client. Regardless of what you think of Ferrari, it seems like pretty high praise to me. I really wish Valverde hadn't crashed out in this years tour, certainly would have made it much more interesting. Most likely would have made this years Vuelta more interesting as well.


Il dottore knows thing or two about cycling...

Stuff like that warms my heart.

Do you really think that LA is the most talented guy that cycling ever saw?
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22 Aug 2017 16:26

DFA123 wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:There were 3 high altitude stage in the Giro. He lost 3 minutes on the big Dolomite stage, was good on the Agnello-Risoul stage and was the 2nd best rider on the stage most affected by high altitude, going over Vars, Bonette and Lombarde, only a tad worse than a flying Nibali.

I think the altitude thing is a bit of a red herring. And it's more that he tends to struggle on the very hardest multi-mountain stages, regardless of whether they are very high altitude or not. Of course, these often happen to be high altitude, so there is some correlation, but not always. For example, struggled badly on the Vuelta stage last year to Aubisque which didn't go particularly close to 2,000m - but which was a really tough ride. Just like the Dolomites stage was the hardest of last years Giro.

In which case he would probably have been fine on the Izoard and Galibier stages, because they really weren't very hard.


Vuelta 2016 is a shocking example - After all he rode for GC in three GT's in 2016 and he would be inhuman if he didn't have a bad day - It had to happen.
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22 Aug 2017 16:30

yaco wrote:
DFA123 wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:There were 3 high altitude stage in the Giro. He lost 3 minutes on the big Dolomite stage, was good on the Agnello-Risoul stage and was the 2nd best rider on the stage most affected by high altitude, going over Vars, Bonette and Lombarde, only a tad worse than a flying Nibali.

I think the altitude thing is a bit of a red herring. And it's more that he tends to struggle on the very hardest multi-mountain stages, regardless of whether they are very high altitude or not. Of course, these often happen to be high altitude, so there is some correlation, but not always. For example, struggled badly on the Vuelta stage last year to Aubisque which didn't go particularly close to 2,000m - but which was a really tough ride. Just like the Dolomites stage was the hardest of last years Giro.

In which case he would probably have been fine on the Izoard and Galibier stages, because they really weren't very hard.


Vuelta 2016 is a shocking example - After all he rode for GC in three GT's in 2016 and he would be inhuman if he didn't have a bad day - It had to happen.

And it happened on the hardest mountain stage, not on Covadonga, nor Pena Cabarga, nor Aitana nor Formigal. As usual, he struggled most on the hardest stage. Which is the whole point that seemed to go over your head. :rolleyes: He struggles on the very hardest stages, nearly always has done, altitude or not.
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Re: He's coming home!!!! Alejandro Valverde comeback thread.

22 Aug 2017 21:14

I like Valverde's new profile picture that he posted today:

https://twitter.com/alejanvalverde/status/900012121420955649

Tough to tell from that pic how much muscle loss he experienced in the injured leg. From the other image he posted this morning it seems like the knee is pretty swollen still, but who knows...(his doctor, I guess).

https://twitter.com/alejanvalverde/status/899923903111409664

From a sporting perspective, the idea of him racing in China seems silly, but maybe a return to competition in 2017 is a legit goal and motivating factor. Can't imagine the team would let him race in the Orient if the knee isn't adequately healed, and Valverde gives the impression of being very calculating himself. So maybe it's a real possibility!

I hope his recovery is going well and that he can return to a good level next year. I was so 'blah' about the Tour w/o him and not seeing him racing the Vuelta sucks.
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25 Aug 2017 14:32

From Pecoriano, Spanish forums

https://www.facebook.com/zonacyclingcom/videos/1636098336424141/?hc_ref=ARSBUgfRGIJJyjDp4E4TDo5Skjv_mYZaSzrZuYlZQSlrKqCwur7eRXYq8uDBfFCGpYI&pnref=story

This man is just incredible. 37 years old, literally destroys, shatters into pieces his knee and leg in a July crash. Recuperation schedule for mid-2018.

It's August 25 and he is riding at 50 km/h again.
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25 Aug 2017 14:40

KyoGrey wrote:From Pecoriano, Spanish forums

https://www.facebook.com/zonacyclingcom/videos/1636098336424141/?hc_ref=ARSBUgfRGIJJyjDp4E4TDo5Skjv_mYZaSzrZuYlZQSlrKqCwur7eRXYq8uDBfFCGpYI&pnref=story

This man is just incredible. 37 years old, literally destroys, shatters into pieces his knee and leg in a July crash. Recuperation schedule for mid-2018.

It's August 25 and he is riding at 50 km/h again.

What a beast!! He is very similar to ronaldo. He is so talented but he is even more a dedicated guy.
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25 Aug 2017 14:58

portugal11 wrote:
KyoGrey wrote:From Pecoriano, Spanish forums

https://www.facebook.com/zonacyclingcom/videos/1636098336424141/?hc_ref=ARSBUgfRGIJJyjDp4E4TDo5Skjv_mYZaSzrZuYlZQSlrKqCwur7eRXYq8uDBfFCGpYI&pnref=story

This man is just incredible. 37 years old, literally destroys, shatters into pieces his knee and leg in a July crash. Recuperation schedule for mid-2018.

It's August 25 and he is riding at 50 km/h again.

What a beast!! He is very similar to ronaldo. He is so talented but he is even more a dedicated guy.

Ronaldo? Please...
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Re: He's coming home!!!! Alejandro Valverde comeback thread.

03 Sep 2017 19:25

"This is the Tour that will determine If I can drink espresso at the Garda lake the rest of my life"
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Re: He's coming home!!!! Alejandro Valverde comeback thread.

03 Sep 2017 21:48




That was pre-injury
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06 Sep 2017 07:41

please Valverde rest till the new season , you will be 38, lbl will likely go do dan martin but you will be very important for movistar at letour of course he will not win
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06 Sep 2017 07:43

so it's really courious that dottor Ferrari think that Valverde is the best talent of the last 12 years because he think that training too hard will shorthen cyclist career , interesting so if it true that Froome has done 3000 km in the 26 days between tour and vuelta and keep doing it every year his carrer will fade very quickly very different from Valverde
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