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Jakob Fuglsang discussion thread

03 Dec 2011 20:21

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fuglsang-too-fat-to-win-the-giro-ditalia-andersen-says

Fugslang is 182 cm tall and 69kg . His Body Mass Index(BMI) is around 20.8 .

Contador is 176 cm and 62 kg . BMI is 20,01 and Lance was 177 cm and 71kg . BMI was 22,66 during his seven Tour de France wins.

What do you think ? Is he really fat for a GC contender? Or Is it a tactic to make rivals think Fugslang is not strong enough ?
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03 Dec 2011 20:29

Fuglsnake is too thin.


In talent.
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03 Dec 2011 20:34

5 kilos down.the engine is good.yes he can be a contender but not for this giro
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03 Dec 2011 20:37

For the 10,394th time, BMI is a useless measure for athletes.
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Watts/Kilo

03 Dec 2011 20:43

Sven Nys actually discussed this in a video interview. The way Nys described it, 'they' have firm ideas about the kilos a racer needs to be able to climb fast enough to be a Grand Tour contender. In Nys' case, it was specifically about being able to climb fast enough to race mountain bikes.

Who knows how much truth is in it.
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03 Dec 2011 20:51

undencem wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fuglsang-too-fat-to-win-the-giro-ditalia-andersen-says

Fugslang is 182 cm tall and 69kg . His Body Mass Index(BMI) is around 20.8 .

Contador is 176 cm and 62 kg . BMI is 20,01 and Lance was 177 cm and 71kg . BMI was 22,66 during his seven Tour de France wins.

What do you think ? Is he really fat for a GC contender? Or Is it a tactic to make rivals think Fugslang is not strong enough ?


bs of course. basso is 183 and 70 kg which is same bmi :rolleyes:
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03 Dec 2011 20:53

DirtyWorks wrote:Sven Nys actually discussed this in a video interview. The way Nys described it, 'they' have firm ideas about the kilos a racer needs to be able to climb fast enough to be a Grand Tour contender. In Nys' case, it was specifically about being able to climb fast enough to race mountain bikes.

Who knows how much truth is in it.


there's no truth in it. simple as that. botero climbed like a buffalo and had a bmi of an overweight person with 175 and 75 kg. indurain was 188 and 80 kg. bmi says nothing. it's the other talents that matter like recuperation. lung capacity. engine, power, being able to pull of a continous effort for a long time. like long climbs. racing or living at altitude(blood) etc
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03 Dec 2011 20:56

Ryo Hazuki wrote:there's no truth in it. simple as that. botero climbed like a buffalo and had a bmi of an overweight person with 175 and 75 kg. indurain was 188 and 80 kg. bmi says nothing. it's the other talents that matter like recuperation. lung capacity. engine, power, being able to pull of a continous effort for a long time. like long climbs. racing or living at altitude(blood) etc


That post was talking about kilograms, not BMI.

If weight doesn't matter then why do cyclists pay so much attention to it? Of course it matters.

As for your examples, go to the clinic :)
Ryo Hazuki wrote:horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato


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03 Dec 2011 21:03

Ryo Hazuki wrote:there's no truth in it. simple as that. botero climbed like a buffalo and had a bmi of an overweight person with 175 and 75 kg. indurain was 188 and 80 kg. bmi says nothing. it's the other talents that matter like recuperation. lung capacity. engine, power, being able to pull of a continous effort for a long time. like long climbs. racing or living at altitude(blood) etc


Are you sure for all? A guy like Wiggins had all those other talents you list but he was nothing until he lost a scary amount of weight. Why not the same for Fugslang, who is a bit chubby let's face it
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03 Dec 2011 21:05

Fuglsang needs to go high carb low fat vegan in order to win the Giro.
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03 Dec 2011 21:07

Methinks its a way of dampening his leadership aspirations. He wanted out when Hog took over & they gave him Giro leadership to stay...... now he's too fat?
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03 Dec 2011 21:12

I think , his weight / height ratio is okay but he has to improve wattage production to be among Grand Tour favourites. Better to follow Lance's way
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03 Dec 2011 21:40

craig1985 wrote:Fuglsang needs to go high carb low fat vegan in order to win the Giro.


and something you only can use in California ;)
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03 Dec 2011 21:41

Fuglsang should think about upping his wattage and improve powerclimbing, rather than cutting the kilos. He approaches the GC-realm from the TT side. Follow the ullrich/armstrong path,. Be it improving powerclimbing through talent, or going to the doctor.
Can't just decide to cut 5-6 kilos n become a lightweight climber over night.
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03 Dec 2011 21:46

Shardi wrote:Fuglsang should think about upping his wattage and improve powerclimbing, rather than cutting the kilos. He approaches the GC-realm from the TT side. Follow the ullrich/armstrong path,. Be it improving powerclimbing through talent, or going to the doctor.
Can't just decide to cut 5-6 kilos n become a lightweight climber over night.

He was a climber first, and then learned to time trial, to the detriment of his climbing.
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03 Dec 2011 21:46

He needs to get on the Radio Snack beetroot juice diet.:)
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03 Dec 2011 22:04

Better to follow Lance's way

Think this might need to be in the Clinic.:p
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03 Dec 2011 22:11

undencem wrote:I think , his weight / height ratio is okay but he has to improve wattage production to be among Grand Tour favourites. Better to follow Lance's way


exactamundo. Case closed. :P :D
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03 Dec 2011 22:16

ferryman wrote:Are you sure for all? A guy like Wiggins had all those other talents you list but he was nothing until he lost a scary amount of weight. Why not the same for Fugslang, who is a bit chubby let's face it


That's ridiculous, if the OP is accurate, Fuglsang weighs 69kg at 182cm tall - there's literally no body configuration with those characteristics that could result in person being "chubby". Is he a cyclist or a ****ing super model?
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03 Dec 2011 22:33

spalco wrote:That's ridiculous, if the OP is accurate, Fuglsang weighs 69kg at 182cm tall - there's literally no body configuration with those characteristics that could result in person being "chubby". Is he a cyclist or a ****ing super model?

I think Andersen means that he is fat for a cyclist or a gc contender. Losing some weight generally does help climbing and looking at his competitors at the Giro, his time trial abilities will be more than sufficient to take time from his competitors.
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