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10 Sep 2017 10:01

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Is Teejay now the only rider from BMC this year who managed top 10 in a GT? I think he is isn't he? Porte crashed in the Tour and I can't even remember what they did in the Giro

20th, with TVG.
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10 Sep 2017 12:09

Good effort from TJ, particularly after his unfortunate crash. 10th place gives him something to build on for next season.
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10 Sep 2017 12:25

He should ride like Barguil did this Tour, not going for GC where he's never gonna end up on the podium
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11 Sep 2017 12:01

I don't think he should just give up ambitions of podiuming or even winning a GT,
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Re: Tejay Van Garderen Discussion Thread

28 Dec 2017 19:22

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ochowicz-van-garderen-will-win-a-stage-race-before-the-tour-de-france/

Thoughts? Certainly glad to see him focusing on one week races...I do think he can be successful, more so than chasing the ghost of his former self in grand tours at least.
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Re: Tejay Van Garderen Discussion Thread

29 Dec 2017 06:11

NorthAmericanScum wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ochowicz-van-garderen-will-win-a-stage-race-before-the-tour-de-france/

Thoughts? Certainly glad to see him focusing on one week races...I do think he can be successful, more so than chasing the ghost of his former self in grand tours at least.


It makes sense. I thought he looked much better in the Giro getting into breaks and chasing a stage win. Hopefully he can climb well in the Tour to support Porte.
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29 Dec 2017 09:57

He nearly won the Dauphine 2 years ago after all. So it's not out of the world to have ambitions for example at the Tour of Switzerland!
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29 Dec 2017 13:41

This is the only thing that makes sense for him. Not everyone has to be a GT rider. He has the body to do well in week long races. He can reach a high level of form - it’s just always a question of when he’ll have a bad day. That won’t be as much of an issue in week long races.
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29 Dec 2017 16:31

Focusing on smaller stage races instead of GT is a good idea.

Ruta del Sol, Paris-Nice, Catalunya (the race that seems to suit him the most), Romandie, Suisse, then targeting Poland after the Tour. He should be able to win one of them.
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29 Dec 2017 16:59

Unless I have missed something, the cyclingnews story doesn't really seem to suggest that TVG is focussing on one week races, just that Jim Ochowicz thinks he is in good form this year. To some extent whether or not TVG will be successful depends on the other big GC riders, their race programmes and the way in which they are building form ahead of the GTs. Froome's approach last year certainly opened up races for other riders!
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29 Dec 2017 18:35

Come on, that was an example of how to say beautifully that you have stopped believing in someone. TJ will be no more GT leader and the whole season will be subordinated to Porte. Of course if Riche will have some problems in one week race and TJ will be able to gain a decent result no one will stop him. For sure he will have less freedom and less support in BMC as a leader.
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29 Dec 2017 21:07

Urbi27 wrote:Come on, that was an example of how to say beautifully that you have stopped believing in someone. TJ will be no more GT leader and the whole season will be subordinated to Porte. Of course if Riche will have some problems in one week race and TJ will be able to gain a decent result no one will stop him. For sure he will have less freedom and less support in BMC as a leader.


Of course he doesn’t believe in him anymore for GT’s. I doubt TJ honestly believes in himself. You can still have goals as a rider. I think BMC can realistically expect this from TJ. Stage races are still great contributions to a team. They don’t want him to just pick up Richie’s slack in one week races. They want him to win one.
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30 Dec 2017 00:48

Urbi27 wrote:Come on, that was an example of how to say beautifully that you have stopped believing in someone. TJ will be no more GT leader and the whole season will be subordinated to Porte. Of course if Riche will have some problems in one week race and TJ will be able to gain a decent result no one will stop him. For sure he will have less freedom and less support in BMC as a leader.


Richie rarely has problems in one week races as his record shows but the GTs are where he needs TJVG to step up and give him some support. If Caruso gets dropped Porte has no one usually. Richie only has one race in his sights at the moment.
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30 Dec 2017 03:35

movingtarget wrote:
Urbi27 wrote:Come on, that was an example of how to say beautifully that you have stopped believing in someone. TJ will be no more GT leader and the whole season will be subordinated to Porte. Of course if Riche will have some problems in one week race and TJ will be able to gain a decent result no one will stop him. For sure he will have less freedom and less support in BMC as a leader.


Richie rarely has problems in one week races as his record shows but the GTs are where he needs TJVG to step up and give him some support. If Caruso gets dropped Porte has no one usually. Richie only has one race in his sights at the moment.


TJ supporting TLMRP is the same waste as the little man (or anyone else) supporting TJ :cool:

Or have you ever seen anything good to come up from two (GT) losers supporting each other?
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30 Dec 2017 08:11

movingtarget wrote:
Urbi27 wrote:Come on, that was an example of how to say beautifully that you have stopped believing in someone. TJ will be no more GT leader and the whole season will be subordinated to Porte. Of course if Riche will have some problems in one week race and TJ will be able to gain a decent result no one will stop him. For sure he will have less freedom and less support in BMC as a leader.


Richie rarely has problems in one week races as his record shows but the GTs are where he needs TJVG to step up and give him some support. If Caruso gets dropped Porte has no one usually. Richie only has one race in his sights at the moment.
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30 Dec 2017 09:37

Jancouver wrote:
movingtarget wrote:
Urbi27 wrote:Come on, that was an example of how to say beautifully that you have stopped believing in someone. TJ will be no more GT leader and the whole season will be subordinated to Porte. Of course if Riche will have some problems in one week race and TJ will be able to gain a decent result no one will stop him. For sure he will have less freedom and less support in BMC as a leader.


Richie rarely has problems in one week races as his record shows but the GTs are where he needs TJVG to step up and give him some support. If Caruso gets dropped Porte has no one usually. Richie only has one race in his sights at the moment.


TJ supporting TLMRP is the same waste as the little man (or anyone else) supporting TJ :cool:

Or have you ever seen anything good to come up from two (GT) losers supporting each other?


Porte was a very good domestique at Sky while TJVG never has been because he's always been a protected rider. When he has been expected to support his leader he has failed except at the 2012 Tour where he rode a better race than Evans and he was still riding very good TTs. TJVG is still young but nothing indicates that his GT riding is improving while time is running out for Porte before he goes back to domestique duties or concentrates on short stage races which are his strength. If Porte hadn't chased GTs he probably would have won a few more shorter races by now. I don't think TJVG should be on the Tour team because I'm not convinced he will offer much support. I think they should have let him stage hunt in the Giro like last year with no pressure. A stage win is better than a top 10 or 20 on GC anyway. I think BMC would have been better selecting a good domestique for the Tour. The fact that Dennis is riding the Giro doesn't look good for TJVG as Dennis is virtually a novice in grand tours but supporting Dennis and riding for a stage win would make more sense to me than watching TJVG go out the back early on every MTF in the Tour.
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30 Dec 2017 11:34

Jancouver wrote:
movingtarget wrote:
Urbi27 wrote:Come on, that was an example of how to say beautifully that you have stopped believing in someone. TJ will be no more GT leader and the whole season will be subordinated to Porte. Of course if Riche will have some problems in one week race and TJ will be able to gain a decent result no one will stop him. For sure he will have less freedom and less support in BMC as a leader.


Richie rarely has problems in one week races as his record shows but the GTs are where he needs TJVG to step up and give him some support. If Caruso gets dropped Porte has no one usually. Richie only has one race in his sights at the moment.


TJ supporting TLMRP is the same waste as the little man (or anyone else) supporting TJ :cool:

Or have you ever seen anything good to come up from two (GT) losers supporting each other?


Tiny Little Manlet Richie Porte? :lol:
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30 Dec 2017 13:06

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30 Dec 2017 13:26

That's a bit harsh. He is no Pozzovivo after all.
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30 Dec 2017 13:57

Jancouver wrote:
movingtarget wrote:
Urbi27 wrote:Come on, that was an example of how to say beautifully that you have stopped believing in someone. TJ will be no more GT leader and the whole season will be subordinated to Porte. Of course if Riche will have some problems in one week race and TJ will be able to gain a decent result no one will stop him. For sure he will have less freedom and less support in BMC as a leader.


Richie rarely has problems in one week races as his record shows but the GTs are where he needs TJVG to step up and give him some support. If Caruso gets dropped Porte has no one usually. Richie only has one race in his sights at the moment.


TJ supporting TLMRP is the same waste as the little man (or anyone else) supporting TJ :cool:

Or have you ever seen anything good to come up from two (GT) losers supporting each other?

:lol: :lol:
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