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04 Jul 2018 16:32

spalco wrote:I'm convinced he could have won a few stages last year, had he not crashed out.
He's not as good as 2011 anymore of course (especially in relation to his competition), but I don't think age is as big a factor as people make it out to be.

If his difficulties in the spring aren't a problem, I'm confident he can take several wins this year too, maybe even in Paris.


Yea, last year he could gave won 2 or 3 based off EBH places.
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05 Jul 2018 20:41

I’m not so sure, EBH was really good last year, came second on several occasions both in sprints and on small punchy climbs and even winning one stage from a break. He also gave Kittel a run for his money with a very close photo finish, but if Cav really was on great form you’re probably right.
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05 Jul 2018 20:44

If he can overcome the lack of racing, injuries, and sickness from the last 2 years he will dominate and I will be able to watch it live for the first time in 5 years so will be cheering vigorously.
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08 Jul 2018 14:49

Guy has nobody at the front!!! Quick Step is working to bring everything back.. this time Chavanel..who is putting on a show!! Cav has one guy in the mix.. if they are putting all the eggs in the lead out train basket..Cav is sunk
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08 Jul 2018 15:29

Hardly any team support at all. Cav was nowhere even before the crash.
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08 Jul 2018 15:32

SlickMongoose wrote:Hardly any team support at all. Cav was nowhere even before the crash.


What support does he need if he doesn't have the legs to stay with the best in last kms Maybe he'll get better by week 2
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08 Jul 2018 15:44

At this rate merely contesting a sprint will be an achievement.
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08 Jul 2018 15:51

Did people really expect something from him? I mean I had a hope but that only came from being a fan. Realistically he isn’t going to do anything this Tour.
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08 Jul 2018 15:52

Judging from his comments before today's stage, sounds like he's given up on winning a stage this year already. Weird, he's already talking about next year. No fight in him at all.

"I don't know. It's going to be hard pushed to beat Bora and Quick-Step in any sprints this year. I can't really say why, but there's obviously next year."

"We'll see next year… but it's going to be hard to beat them, I think."
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08 Jul 2018 16:13

Yes, his attitude is very different and it's a very poor attitude. Mentally this isn't right. In fairness I think it's unlikely he will win anything but he should at least be trying his very best. Doesn't sound like he can be bothered.
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08 Jul 2018 18:19

No, the last 2 days have not been good and his attitude has definitely changed from before the Tour expecting to win 6 stages and his comments now. I hope he is trying to downplay his chances like he has done before in order to surprise.

I will continue to root for him on each stage until there is none left with hopefully him winning 6. :D
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08 Jul 2018 18:23

This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal
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08 Jul 2018 18:30

Yeah, it's not looking very hopeful. Today doesn't mean much, getting held up by a crash can happen even on top form, but together with being in no man's land yesterday...
I guess the bad spring was just too much.
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08 Jul 2018 19:28

PremierAndrew wrote:This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal


Sprinters don't need their own trains. If Cavendish had the legs and form he would be on Gaviria or Sagan's wheel and then blip past them in the final 50metres.

Sagan has done pretty well with out a sprint train.
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08 Jul 2018 20:30

Benotti69 wrote:
PremierAndrew wrote:This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal


Sprinters don't need their own trains. If Cavendish had the legs and form he would be on Gaviria or Sagan's wheel and then blip past them in the final 50metres.

Sagan has done pretty well with out a sprint train.


Yes, but Sagan always has his guys who deliver him in the Top 15 riders to the last k and then let him do his thing. Selig even said so last year that it was wildly different for him to work with Sagan after delivering Bennet on to the last 300m in the Giro. Cav doesn't even seem to have the guys to bring him in position for the last 1-2k. That's the problem.
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08 Jul 2018 20:50

The race isn't over until Paris and anything can happen between now and then.
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08 Jul 2018 23:01

WKA311 wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
PremierAndrew wrote:This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal


Sprinters don't need their own trains. If Cavendish had the legs and form he would be on Gaviria or Sagan's wheel and then blip past them in the final 50metres.

Sagan has done pretty well with out a sprint train.


Yes, but Sagan always has his guys who deliver him in the Top 15 riders to the last k and then let him do his thing. Selig even said so last year that it was wildly different for him to work with Sagan after delivering Bennet on to the last 300m in the Giro. Cav doesn't even seem to have the guys to bring him in position for the last 1-2k. That's the problem.


You dont need a train to get you to the top 15 in the last k.

You use others trains or others moving up and latch on. If you know your team cant deliver you then use your own abilites and tag along on others.

Cavendish aint got it no more would be my guess. His chances are in the 1st week as i doubt he will be able to be comeptitive after that.

Be super surprised if Cavendish makes it to Paris.
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08 Jul 2018 23:04

WKA311 wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
PremierAndrew wrote:This dimension data leadout train has been abysmal


Sprinters don't need their own trains. If Cavendish had the legs and form he would be on Gaviria or Sagan's wheel and then blip past them in the final 50metres.

Sagan has done pretty well with out a sprint train.


Yes, but Sagan always has his guys who deliver him in the Top 15 riders to the last k and then let him do his thing. Selig even said so last year that it was wildly different for him to work with Sagan after delivering Bennet on to the last 300m in the Giro. Cav doesn't even seem to have the guys to bring him in position for the last 1-2k. That's the problem.


Yes, exactly this. Sagan has highly skilled and powerful big lumps around him. They don’t make him a train or even do a final lead out, but they do a whole load of other stuff. Today Sagan had team mates: (a) working on the front from a long way out, (b) stringing everything out in the last 5km, Postlberger specifically for over a km, (c) pulling hard at the front of the post crash lead group just before the sprint and (d) all around him all day ready to position him back in the top few without him having to make an effort in the unlikely event he needs assistance.

Sagan doesn’t use his support in the same way as other sprinters and he can certainly get by very well without it. But in this race he has the second best support of any sprinter (ie other than Gaviria) and he is making good use of it albeit in a non traditional way.
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09 Jul 2018 11:39

Last year Van Rensberg did at least two or three brilliant lead-outs for EBH - Though I doubt Cavendish has the form.
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09 Jul 2018 18:24

IMO, the spring was too much for an old sprinter. I'm not writing him off like others have, there is plenty TdF left, and plenty of the season left. I hope that he is just playing mind games by talking about next year, but maybe he knows that his body is just bad now.
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