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30 Jan 2018 16:07

Rollthedice wrote:The comparison with Kelly is nonsense. Nibali is a very succesful GT rider who has won and podiumed one day races throughout his ongoing career and this includes one monument won two times. Kelly was a very successful one day and shorter stage races rider who also has won one GT. A more suitable comparison would be with Felice Gimondi. Vincenzo needs to win in Innsbruck bag another GT and a couple of monuments and they are even. It's doable.


A much more realistic comparison! Nibali is no Kelly and Kelly is no Nibali!
Alberto Contador=Legend!

Nibali becomes only the 6th winner of all 3 GTS (2014)!
Nibali joins Gimondi, Merckx and Hinault as only the 4th man to win all 3 GTS and 2 different Monuments (2018). A throwback rider in this age of specialization. Bravo!
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30 Jan 2018 17:39

Carols wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:The comparison with Kelly is nonsense. Nibali is a very succesful GT rider who has won and podiumed one day races throughout his ongoing career and this includes one monument won two times. Kelly was a very successful one day and shorter stage races rider who also has won one GT. A more suitable comparison would be with Felice Gimondi. Vincenzo needs to win in Innsbruck bag another GT and a couple of monuments and they are even. It's doable.


A much more realistic comparison! Nibali is no Kelly and Kelly is no Nibali!


Comparing him with Kelly, or any of the real all time top handful of riders is just trolling. I say that as someone who admires Nibali a lot.
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30 Jan 2018 20:27

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Carols wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:The comparison with Kelly is nonsense. Nibali is a very succesful GT rider who has won and podiumed one day races throughout his ongoing career and this includes one monument won two times. Kelly was a very successful one day and shorter stage races rider who also has won one GT. A more suitable comparison would be with Felice Gimondi. Vincenzo needs to win in Innsbruck bag another GT and a couple of monuments and they are even. It's doable.


A much more realistic comparison! Nibali is no Kelly and Kelly is no Nibali!


Comparing him with Kelly, or any of the real all time top handful of riders is just trolling. I say that as someone who admires Nibali a lot.

In fairness, with wins in all 3 GTs, 2 Lombardia, and podiums in LBL and MSR, Nibbles has every right to a seat at the top table himself. The comparison to Kelly falls apart for several other reasons, but quality of palmares isn’t one of them.
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30 Jan 2018 21:27

Leinster wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Carols wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:The comparison with Kelly is nonsense. Nibali is a very succesful GT rider who has won and podiumed one day races throughout his ongoing career and this includes one monument won two times. Kelly was a very successful one day and shorter stage races rider who also has won one GT. A more suitable comparison would be with Felice Gimondi. Vincenzo needs to win in Innsbruck bag another GT and a couple of monuments and they are even. It's doable.


A much more realistic comparison! Nibali is no Kelly and Kelly is no Nibali!


Comparing him with Kelly, or any of the real all time top handful of riders is just trolling. I say that as someone who admires Nibali a lot.

In fairness, with wins in all 3 GTs, 2 Lombardia, and podiums in LBL and MSR, Nibbles has every right to a seat at the top table himself. The comparison to Kelly falls apart for several other reasons, but quality of palmares isn’t one of them.


I agree, comparing the two does not make much sense.

Just to make an example, should we compare Nibali and Cancellara?
Or Kelly and Contador?
We are talking of completely different type of riders.
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30 Jan 2018 21:56

Leinster wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Carols wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:The comparison with Kelly is nonsense. Nibali is a very succesful GT rider who has won and podiumed one day races throughout his ongoing career and this includes one monument won two times. Kelly was a very successful one day and shorter stage races rider who also has won one GT. A more suitable comparison would be with Felice Gimondi. Vincenzo needs to win in Innsbruck bag another GT and a couple of monuments and they are even. It's doable.


A much more realistic comparison! Nibali is no Kelly and Kelly is no Nibali!


Comparing him with Kelly, or any of the real all time top handful of riders is just trolling. I say that as someone who admires Nibali a lot.

In fairness, with wins in all 3 GTs, 2 Lombardia, and podiums in LBL and MSR, Nibbles has every right to a seat at the top table himself. The comparison to Kelly falls apart for several other reasons, but quality of palmares isn’t one of them.


His palmares absolutely do not belong with the top tier of all time greats. Winning all three GTs for instance sounds very impressive but it is worth a lot less than winning three Tours. As a GT rider, his main specialty, he isn’t even a contender for the top 10 of all time. When you start including undisputed greats who weren’t primarily GT GC men, like Kelly, De Vlaeminck or Van Looy, he isn’t even a contender for top 20.

The issue to assess with Nibali is if he’s in the top half dozen riders of his own period, ie where he ranks against the Contadors, Cancellaras, Boonens, Froomes of this world.
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30 Jan 2018 22:16

His palmares absolutely do not belong with the top tier of all time greats. Winning all three GTs for instance sounds very impressive but it is worth a lot less than winning three Tours. As a GT rider, his main specialty, he isn’t even a contender for the top 10 of all time. When you start including undisputed greats who weren’t primarily GT GC men, like Kelly, De Vlaeminck or Van Looy, he isn’t even a contender for top 20.

The issue to assess with Nibali is if he’s in the top half dozen riders of his own period, ie where he ranks against the Contadors, Cancellaras, Boonens, Froomes of this world.


Hopefully we will be able to discuss more on the subject at the end of this year. He still rides, his career is not over yet and I bet it feels good to be the only active rider who won all three Grand Tours. Don't you think?
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30 Jan 2018 22:36

Rollthedice wrote:
His palmares absolutely do not belong with the top tier of all time greats. Winning all three GTs for instance sounds very impressive but it is worth a lot less than winning three Tours. As a GT rider, his main specialty, he isn’t even a contender for the top 10 of all time. When you start including undisputed greats who weren’t primarily GT GC men, like Kelly, De Vlaeminck or Van Looy, he isn’t even a contender for top 20.

The issue to assess with Nibali is if he’s in the top half dozen riders of his own period, ie where he ranks against the Contadors, Cancellaras, Boonens, Froomes of this world.


Hopefully we will be able to discuss more on the subject at the end of this year. He still rides, his career is not over yet and I bet it feels good to be the only active rider who won all three Grand Tours. Don't you think?


I’m sure it feels great. He’s had an excellent career and has more wins in him. I just find it a bit weird that some people seem to think it’s dismissive of him to say something as obvious as “Nibali is not one of the all time greats but is one of the best of his era”.
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Classy, very classy.
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Re: Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

10 Feb 2018 14:41

Was strange to see Nibali working in a sprint train but he did a really good job. He can really push the pace...especially if you consider his weight. Next to Terpstra and Lampaert on the flat. I wonder how many climbers can do the same?
Seriously...always nice to see the leader of a team helping his teammates in smaller races.
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Re: Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

10 Feb 2018 15:29

skippo12 wrote:Was strange to see Nibali working in a sprint train but he did a really good job. He can really push the pace...especially if you consider his weight. Next to Terpstra and Lampaert on the flat. I wonder how many climbers can do the same?
Seriously...always nice to see the leader of a team helping his teammates in smaller races.

Well, we know that Contador sucked at pacing a sprint train, to the surprise of nobody.

He tried to help lead out Bennati on the last stage of the '13 Tour, and people just looked at him like he was stupid.
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10 Feb 2018 15:52

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Leinster wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Carols wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:The comparison with Kelly is nonsense. Nibali is a very succesful GT rider who has won and podiumed one day races throughout his ongoing career and this includes one monument won two times. Kelly was a very successful one day and shorter stage races rider who also has won one GT. A more suitable comparison would be with Felice Gimondi. Vincenzo needs to win in Innsbruck bag another GT and a couple of monuments and they are even. It's doable.


A much more realistic comparison! Nibali is no Kelly and Kelly is no Nibali!


Comparing him with Kelly, or any of the real all time top handful of riders is just trolling. I say that as someone who admires Nibali a lot.

In fairness, with wins in all 3 GTs, 2 Lombardia, and podiums in LBL and MSR, Nibbles has every right to a seat at the top table himself. The comparison to Kelly falls apart for several other reasons, but quality of palmares isn’t one of them.


His palmares absolutely do not belong with the top tier of all time greats. Winning all three GTs for instance sounds very impressive but it is worth a lot less than winning three Tours. As a GT rider, his main specialty, he isn’t even a contender for the top 10 of all time. When you start including undisputed greats who weren’t primarily GT GC men, like Kelly, De Vlaeminck or Van Looy, he isn’t even a contender for top 20.

The issue to assess with Nibali is if he’s in the top half dozen riders of his own period, ie where he ranks against the Contadors, Cancellaras, Boonens, Froomes of this world.


Froome's a donkey, why are you including him in that list?
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10 Feb 2018 16:23

Honestly I could find a reason to put Nibali's name at the very top of the list. He's not far off by any stretch of the imagination
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10 Feb 2018 17:29

Red Rick wrote:Honestly I could find a reason to put Nibali's name at the very top of the list. He's not far off by any stretch of the imagination


To me it is not even difficult to find that reason. And won't be to anyone by the time he retires with 2 GT's, 2-3 Monumets and WCRR in addittion to the current palmares. :D
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Re: Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

11 Feb 2018 00:08

The predictions thread foresees a big season for Il Squalo. He's one of my favorite riders, so I'm happy. It goes to show how love comes and goes...his TdF win way underrated, and as time goes by Vincenzo is getting credit for being smart, a master tactician, it's nice to see.
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Re: Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

11 Feb 2018 17:16

So there s a piece in belgian newspaper het nieuwsblad on nibali s ronde ambitions. It says nibali and colbrelli get along really well and apparently nibs is gonna work for sonny. His goal is to get a feel for the cobbles again in light of the tdf stage. I saw nibali already putting in lots of work for colbrelli in the dubai tour so i can believe it.
He also wants to ride roubaix one day.
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Re: Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

11 Feb 2018 17:47

Lo squalo di messina wrote:So there s a piece in belgian newspaper het nieuwsblad on nibali s ronde ambitions. It says nibali and colbrelli get along really well and apparently nibs is gonna work for sonny. His goal is to get a feel for the cobbles again in light of the tdf stage. I saw nibali already putting in lots of work for colbrelli in the dubai tour so i can believe it.
He also wants to ride roubaix one day.


Read somewhere that Sonny will be in the team for TdF, first it seemed odd but now it seems plausible. Could be of great help in the Roubaix stage.
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Re: Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

11 Feb 2018 18:12

Rollthedice wrote:
Lo squalo di messina wrote:So there s a piece in belgian newspaper het nieuwsblad on nibali s ronde ambitions. It says nibali and colbrelli get along really well and apparently nibs is gonna work for sonny. His goal is to get a feel for the cobbles again in light of the tdf stage. I saw nibali already putting in lots of work for colbrelli in the dubai tour so i can believe it.
He also wants to ride roubaix one day.


Read somewhere that Sonny will be in the team for TdF, first it seemed odd but now it seems plausible. Could be of great help in the Roubaix stage.


Yeh maybe they should bring sonny. That way he can go for stage wins too and not all the pressure is on nibs to deliver results. Havent had a look at the tdf parcours yet though so i dont know if it has anything for colbrelli.
Commercially i would also be viable to have sonny at the tour. Dude has lots of fans, even in my country.
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11 Feb 2018 18:22

The stage to Quimper should suit him, Carcassonne as well.
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Re: Vincenzo Nibali discussion thread

11 Feb 2018 18:30

Lo squalo di messina wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:
Lo squalo di messina wrote:So there s a piece in belgian newspaper het nieuwsblad on nibali s ronde ambitions. It says nibali and colbrelli get along really well and apparently nibs is gonna work for sonny. His goal is to get a feel for the cobbles again in light of the tdf stage. I saw nibali already putting in lots of work for colbrelli in the dubai tour so i can believe it.
He also wants to ride roubaix one day.


Read somewhere that Sonny will be in the team for TdF, first it seemed odd but now it seems plausible. Could be of great help in the Roubaix stage.


Yeh maybe they should bring sonny. That way he can go for stage wins too and not all the pressure is on nibs to deliver results. Havent had a look at the tdf parcours yet though so i dont know if it has anything for colbrelli.
Commercially i would also be viable to have sonny at the tour. Dude has lots of fans, even in my country.

The other thing is that Haussler had another injury and we still don't know if he'll be the same rider that he used to be before his injuries, otherwise he should be the first choice to help Nibali on the cobbles in the Tour.
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