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18 Mar 2017 08:38

Red Rick wrote:I don't give 2 shits about this GC. Doesn't seem any possibility to make up for minutes lost in the TTT.

Contador vs the MAStro uphill?



that's the spirit old boy :surprised:
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Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

18 Mar 2017 08:50

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LaFlorecita wrote:Image

What do you think ?
Should be more than strong enough uphill but I'm very worried about the TTT. Berto likely will be slightly worse than at Paris-Nice as usual so he really can't afford to lose much time at all if he aims to win.


Looks solid. Brändle obviously will be the motor in the TTT, they should at least limit the time loss.


The TTT profile looks pretty hilly, they should be ok I hope
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18 Mar 2017 14:05

Just seen a video on Pantano's instagram page, looks like the team is out training in TTT formation :) I really hope they can limit the damage!!
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18 Mar 2017 14:42

Trek's Team for Tour must be Contador, Mollema, Pantano, Zubeldia, De Koert, Degenkolb more 2 of Stuyven/Irizar/Rast/Brandle and 1 of Felline/Cardoso/Stetina
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18 Mar 2017 14:52

Walter Morgan wrote:Trek's Team for Tour must be Contador, Mollema, Pantano, Zubeldia, De Koert, Degenkolb more 2 of Stuyven/Irizar/Rast/Brandle and 1 of Felline/Cardoso/Stetina

I agree with you. But Stuyven will ride the Giro, so it should be 2 out of Irizar/Rast/Brändle.
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18 Mar 2017 14:55

Nice to hear Stuyven will ride the Giro, he would obviously had been a great domestique for Contador, but he is better than just being a simple flatland grunt. They have a couple of decent riders for that role anyways.

It doesn't look like a bad team at all I must admit. Felline and Mollema will be question marks, but Pantano is golden, Contador would be screwed without him. Really the perfect guy.
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18 Mar 2017 19:22

Walter Morgan wrote:Trek's Team for Tour must be Contador, Mollema, Pantano, Zubeldia, De Koert, Degenkolb more 2 of Stuyven/Irizar/Rast/Brandle and 1 of Felline/Cardoso/Stetina


if Stuyven does the Giro Theuns might be able to go the Tour for Degenkolb
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19 Mar 2017 14:21

The great one will loose 1.30 minutes in the TTT so he has to win the queen stage to boost his moral. So unfair he never had a team like sky or even movistar to control the races
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Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

20 Mar 2017 16:11

Trek is 21st in Team classification so they'll start very early tomorrow. That sucks, it'll be a big disadvantage

And we'll have little to no coverage of them :(
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Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

20 Mar 2017 16:31

LaFlorecita wrote:Trek is 21st in Team classification so they'll start very early tomorrow. That sucks, it'll be a big disadvantage

And we'll have little to no coverage of them :(


I don't expect much of them, regardless of when they start. Hopefully they will top-10, with the dream scenario of being within 45 sec of the winners.
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Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

20 Mar 2017 16:34

LaFlorecita wrote:Trek is 21st in Team classification so they'll start very early tomorrow. That sucks, it'll be a big disadvantage

And we'll have little to no coverage of them :(


It seems he is always starting on the back foot :(
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Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

20 Mar 2017 16:38

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LaFlorecita wrote:Trek is 21st in Team classification so they'll start very early tomorrow. That sucks, it'll be a big disadvantage

And we'll have little to no coverage of them :(


I don't expect much of them, regardless of when they start. Hopefully they will top-10, with the dream scenario of being within 45 sec of the winners.

On paper their team is quite strong, top-5, top-3 if they surprise so I was quite optimistic (in this ranking they are 5th http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=170997&c=3&stat_id=151 )
But with such an early start I guess they will finish between 5th and 8th, behind BMC, Movistar, Orica, Sky and possibly teams like Quick Step and LottoNL, but more importantly the time gaps between those teams and Trek will be larger. Unless the weather conditions are worse for the last teams, but looking at the forecast that doesn't seem likely. I guess tomorrow will be the end of Alberto's GC chances.

Edit: I see now they dropped to 22nd, only Caja Rural and Cannondale will start earlier :o
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20 Mar 2017 16:38

Well there really isn't a big disadvantage at starting earlier. And who knows, maybe that can be an advantage if the winds change a bit.. obviously, it could also change for the worse. ;)

The problem is there is a TTT in the first place, I wouldn't read too much into that they are starting early.
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20 Mar 2017 16:46

Valv.Piti wrote:Well there really isn't a big disadvantage at starting earlier. And who knows, maybe that can be an advantage if the winds change a bit.. obviously, it could also change for the worse. ;)

The problem is there is a TTT in the first place, I wouldn't read too much into that they are starting early.

Riding such a distance without references is terrible, they'll lose at least 20-30 seconds extra. Of course, I agree the TTT is the main problem and shouldn't even exist, but such an early start is deadly for Alberto's overall chances. Before today's stage I thought they could perhaps limit the damage to 30-40 seconds, now I think he's looking at over one minute.
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Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

20 Mar 2017 16:48

LaFlorecita wrote:
rune1107 wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Trek is 21st in Team classification so they'll start very early tomorrow. That sucks, it'll be a big disadvantage

And we'll have little to no coverage of them :(


I don't expect much of them, regardless of when they start. Hopefully they will top-10, with the dream scenario of being within 45 sec of the winners.

On paper their team is quite strong, top-5, top-3 if they surprise so I was quite optimistic (in this ranking they are 5th http://www.procyclingstats.com/race.php?id=170997&c=3&stat_id=151 )
But with such an early start I guess they will finish between 5th and 8th, behind BMC, Movistar, Orica, Sky and possibly teams like Quick Step and LottoNL, but more importantly the time gaps between those teams and Trek will be larger. Unless the weather conditions are worse for the last teams, but looking at the forecast that doesn't seem likely. I guess tomorrow will be the end of Alberto's GC chances.

Edit: I see now they dropped to 22nd, only Caja Rural and Cannondale will start earlier :o


Funvic too, I think they are the first to go out.
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Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

20 Mar 2017 16:51

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Funvic too, I think they are the first to go out.

You're right, looks like only two of their riders finished among the first 156 so the others are not yet included in the results, which is why they're not shown in the team ranking.

At least that means we'll have 3 extra minutes during which we could see Trek on TV :p
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20 Mar 2017 16:53

I'm figuring 1:30 time loss, expecting the worse yet hoping for the best! As has been previously noted weather conditions may change to their benefit.
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20 Mar 2017 16:56

Hmm, 20-30 seconds for lack of time differences? I guess we would have to experience managing/rider ourselves before we would be able to say how much it would influence their performance, but I think its too much. Anyways, we won't know.
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20 Mar 2017 16:57

GraftPunk wrote:I'm figuring 1:30 time loss, expecting the worse yet hoping for the best! As has been previously noted weather conditions may change to their benefit.

I've checked the weather, change of rain is the same for 15:00, 16:00 and 17:00. The only difference is that the wind direction changes from SE to ESE, but that's unlikely to matter much.
Edit: in fact the wind shifting to E means the last few teams will have a tailwind in the 2nd half of the course
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20 Mar 2017 18:20

So. Nobody has to care one second about this race. Sorry. If they want to ruin it with such a TTT, be my guest. But maybe someone then will have a brutal coup in mind ;)
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