Log in:  

Register

Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

A place to discuss all things related to current professional road races. Here, you can also touch on the latest news relating to professional road racing. A doping discussion free forum.

Moderators: Irondan, Eshnar, Red Rick, Valv.Piti, Tonton, Pricey_sky, King Boonen

Re:

30 Apr 2017 11:06

Cance > TheRest wrote:Trek should put Gogl in the preliminary Tour-line-up based on this spring. Great allround-domestique. I agree, that Haimar should also be included.

I agree, Gogl is very strong and should be considered for the Tour, but he's also still young so it's not clear how he'll handle 3 weeks, and I'd rather see another big strong rouleur instead of him. But actually I think it's quite likely he'll be selected because it seems Alberto gets along well with him.
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

Re: Re:

30 Apr 2017 11:15

LaFlorecita wrote:
Cance > TheRest wrote:Trek should put Gogl in the preliminary Tour-line-up based on this spring. Great allround-domestique. I agree, that Haimar should also be included.

I agree, Gogl is very strong and should be considered for the Tour, but he's also still young so it's not clear how he'll handle 3 weeks, and I'd rather see another big strong rouleur instead of him. But actually I think it's quite likely he'll be selected because it seems Alberto gets along well with him.

I'm pretty sure Contador is the reason why Gogl went to Trek, so yeah it would be surprising if they don't get along well. I think after the Vuelta last year Gogl said in an interview that it was great to rider for a guy like Alberto.
User avatar Gigs_98
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,688
Joined: 18 Feb 2015 18:36
Location: Austria

Re:

30 Apr 2017 13:18

LaFlorecita wrote:IMO, for the remaining 4, they should select Zubeldia (seems very certain as he's raced every race with Alberto so far), 2 of Brändle/Rast/Irizar and one of De Kort/Theuns.
I'd almost wish Trek would leave Degenkolb at home but that isn't going to happen, obviously.
Anyway, he should be well protected on the flat stages, in the mountains he doesn't need much help as Sky/BMC/Movistar will do a lot of work. He just needs one or two riders that can stay with him for a long time.

Oh really, I would have never guessed.... ;)

Degenstache is gonna have a few helpers devoted to him down the line, nothing more. He can't win bunch sprints in the TdF anyways. If Alberto's not winning, Im sure it won't be because of Degen..
"This is the Tour that will determine If I can drink espresso at the Garda lake the rest of my life"
User avatar Valv.Piti
Moderator
 
Posts: 6,893
Joined: 03 Aug 2015 00:00
Location: Dinamarca, Aalborg

30 Apr 2017 13:29

Degenkolb will have just De Kort for himself, probably. Any other riders, Brändle, Rast, Theuns will also help Alberto. Still, that's 2 less teammates for Alberto compared to his main rivals. It's unlikely to matter much, but you never know.
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

Re: Re:

30 Apr 2017 14:04

Valv.Piti wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:IMO, for the remaining 4, they should select Zubeldia (seems very certain as he's raced every race with Alberto so far), 2 of Brändle/Rast/Irizar and one of De Kort/Theuns.
I'd almost wish Trek would leave Degenkolb at home but that isn't going to happen, obviously.
Anyway, he should be well protected on the flat stages, in the mountains he doesn't need much help as Sky/BMC/Movistar will do a lot of work. He just needs one or two riders that can stay with him for a long time.

Oh really, I would have never guessed.... ;)

Degenstache is gonna have a few helpers devoted to him down the line, nothing more. He can't win bunch sprints in the TdF anyways. If Alberto's not winning, Im sure it won't be because of Degen..

He's a pretty good engine as well nowdays, perhaps even the best at Trek at closing gaps. So if there are some crosswind splits, he could play a big role in helping Contador get to the front. Of course, that depends whether or not Contador can learn how to follow his team-mates wheel in the next couple of months.
User avatar DFA123
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,030
Joined: 07 Nov 2010 16:00
Location: Valencia

30 Apr 2017 14:57

Sagan did a great job closing gaps for Alberto at the 2015 TDF. Berto had no issues following his wheel.
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

Re:

30 Apr 2017 15:17

LaFlorecita wrote:Sagan did a great job closing gaps for Alberto at the 2015 TDF. Berto had no issues following his wheel.

Well, if he can do the same this year, then I think Degenkolb could end up being his most valuable team-mate. Certainly more potentially valuable than filling the squad with one or two more not very good climbers, who get dropped as soon as someone drops the hammer.

Surely Contador isn't so sad (™ Tinkov) that he needs Jesus to keep him company, rather than a couple of guys who could actually help him at some point in the race.
User avatar DFA123
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,030
Joined: 07 Nov 2010 16:00
Location: Valencia

30 Apr 2017 15:38

Obviously, taking more climbers instead of Degenkolb and De Kort would be senseless, the options are limited. Instead, they could select two more rouleurs that would be fully dedicated to protecting Alberto, and let's be honest, that's what he needs most.
What is clear is that he doesn't desperately want Jesus to be in the team, Jesus is riding the Giro and he wasn't selected for the 2016 TDF and 2015 Giro and TDF either.
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

Re:

30 Apr 2017 16:18

LaFlorecita wrote:Obviously, taking more climbers instead of Degenkolb and De Kort would be senseless, the options are limited. Instead, they could select two more rouleurs that would be fully dedicated to protecting Alberto, and let's be honest, that's what he needs most.

Like who? What rouleurs do Trek have that are stronger than and potentially as useful as Degenkolb and de Kort? Degenkolb is probably the best rouleur on their squad - he's a guy capable of winning Paris Roubaix after all! The key is to get the best out of him to help Contador at the times where it doesn't harm his own chances; strong and inspirational leadership from Alberto will be important.
User avatar DFA123
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,030
Joined: 07 Nov 2010 16:00
Location: Valencia

Re: Re:

30 Apr 2017 16:26

DFA123 wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Obviously, taking more climbers instead of Degenkolb and De Kort would be senseless, the options are limited. Instead, they could select two more rouleurs that would be fully dedicated to protecting Alberto, and let's be honest, that's what he needs most.

Like who? What rouleurs do Trek have that are stronger than and potentially as useful as Degenkolb and de Kort? Degenkolb is probably the best rouleur on their squad - he's a guy capable of winning Paris Roubaix after all! The key is to get the best out of him to help Contador at the times where it doesn't harm his own chances; strong and inspirational leadership from Alberto will be important.

This isn't about pure quality, it's about dedication as well. If you're serious about winning a GT, having 2 riders on your team with a different objective is a big disadvantage. A slightly lesser rouleur with the sole aim of delivering Alberto safely to the finish would be a much bigger help than Degenkolb.
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

Re: Re:

30 Apr 2017 16:54

LaFlorecita wrote:
DFA123 wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Obviously, taking more climbers instead of Degenkolb and De Kort would be senseless, the options are limited. Instead, they could select two more rouleurs that would be fully dedicated to protecting Alberto, and let's be honest, that's what he needs most.

Like who? What rouleurs do Trek have that are stronger than and potentially as useful as Degenkolb and de Kort? Degenkolb is probably the best rouleur on their squad - he's a guy capable of winning Paris Roubaix after all! The key is to get the best out of him to help Contador at the times where it doesn't harm his own chances; strong and inspirational leadership from Alberto will be important.

This isn't about pure quality, it's about dedication as well. If you're serious about winning a GT, having 2 riders on your team with a different objective is a big disadvantage. A slightly lesser rouleur with the sole aim of delivering Alberto safely to the finish would be a much bigger help than Degenkolb.

I don't really agree with that. You said above how Sagan helped him at times. A lesser rouleur that could go instead just doesn't have the power to close a crucial gap or make the difference that a rider like Sagan or Degenkolb could do at a crucial part of the race. The only time an extra rouleur of average quality could be really useful is if Contador is in a position to defend the yellow jersey - or if he has to use his team to chase down an early split like Froome needed on Formigal stage last year. But, in either of those situations, I'm pretty sure Degenkolb would put his own ambitions aside and work for him as well. It's not like we're talking about someone like Cavendish here who offers nothing else and is a bit self-absorbed. Degenkolb is a very good all round rider and, by all accounts, a pretty grounded personality.

Of course, all that depends on Contador demonstrating on and off the bike that he is deserving of support from a rider like Degenkolb. Last year he struggled to convince his team he was a genuine contender at the Tour and worth sacrificing their ambitions for. He'll have to improve that part of leadership this year.
User avatar DFA123
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,030
Joined: 07 Nov 2010 16:00
Location: Valencia

Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

02 May 2017 13:08

Alberto is currently in France to do a recon of the Marseille ITT. I suppose he'll also look at some other stages, but I'm not sure. He said he'll be leaving to Teide for a training camp soon.

Image
Image
Image
Image

(personalized Trek Speed Concept or new model?)
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

02 May 2017 16:29

Thought he had a fully fleshed out moustache there lol
Scarponi
Member
 
Posts: 1,242
Joined: 21 Apr 2015 08:56

Re:

02 May 2017 17:17

Scarponi wrote:Thought he had a fully fleshed out moustache there lol

He looks like a badass with that mustache!
Darryl Webster wrote:
"Nothing seems to blind peeps as much as patriotism does it!"
User avatar Irondan
Administrator
 
Posts: 6,784
Joined: 30 Apr 2014 02:13
Location: Seattle, WA

Re:

02 May 2017 17:45

Scarponi wrote:Thought he had a fully fleshed out moustache there lol

Thankfully not, lol :p the stubble looks good, but please, don't let him go full Serpa :p
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

Re: Re:

03 May 2017 13:14

LaFlorecita wrote:
Scarponi wrote:Thought he had a fully fleshed out moustache there lol

Thankfully not, lol :p the stubble looks good, but please, don't let him go full Serpa :p


I think he is quite attractive with a full beard :). Meanwhile I hope the Legs are feeling good!
Carol S.
~~~~
Alberto Contador: "And yes, it is true that for me it's the same to finish second or 10th."

Vincezo Nibali joins Anquetil, Gimondi, Merckx, Hinault and Contador as only the 6th winner of all 3 Grand Tours! Bravo Lo Squalo!
User avatar Carols
Veteran
 
Posts: 6,643
Joined: 20 Mar 2010 15:20
Location: PA, USA

Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

03 May 2017 13:35

Wait a second. Someone posted a picture of Contador in this thread but there are no discussions if he is lean or too fat, which would give us an 100% reliable indicator for how well he will do at the tour?
User avatar Gigs_98
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,688
Joined: 18 Feb 2015 18:36
Location: Austria

Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

03 May 2017 13:51

Gigs_98 wrote:Wait a second. Someone posted a picture of Contador in this thread but there are no discussions if he is lean or too fat, which would give us an 100% reliable indicator for how well he will do at the tour?


He's less fat than Froome at the moment. :p
User avatar rhubroma
Veteran
 
Posts: 7,488
Joined: 02 Apr 2009 14:31

Re: Re:

03 May 2017 16:16

Carols wrote:
I think he is quite attractive with a full beard :). Meanwhile I hope the Legs are feeling good!

Of course! :) But not with a Serpa-like moustache :D
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

Re: Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

03 May 2017 19:40

Gigs_98 wrote:Wait a second. Someone posted a picture of Contador in this thread but there are no discussions if he is lean or too fat, which would give us an 100% reliable indicator for how well he will do at the tour?

Latest obsession is the beard, not the weight, duh :p
Alberto we love you
on the road
you don't need to say this stuff
we saw you on the road
you blessed us with 9 great shows
let's not argue the toss about the official count
you are much bigger than that
~TourOfSardinia
User avatar LaFlorecita
Veteran
 
Posts: 28,310
Joined: 15 May 2011 09:53
Location: Utrecht, The Netherlands

PreviousNext

Return to Professional road racing

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Arredondo, Bing [Bot], bob.a.feet, Broken_Leg, classicomano, escartin, Forever The Best, Jakob747, janraaskalt, Mayo from Mayo, OmieeZF, Orbit501, Pricey_sky, skippo12, SpeciaaliJussi, tobydawq, UselessToo and 79 guests

Back to top