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08 Jul 2018 23:14

It is worth noting how strong his team seemed today. Sagan doesn’t bother with lead outs or a train, but even so it’s very useful to have this kind of support. They helped pull on the front, strung it out in the approach and then pulled the post crash lead group.
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08 Jul 2018 23:59

Zinoviev Letter wrote:It is worth noting how strong his team seemed today. Sagan doesn’t bother with lead outs or a train, but even so it’s very useful to have this kind of support. They helped pull on the front, strung it out in the approach and then pulled the post crash lead group.


Yes its interesting as it is a clearly visible plan that he likes them keeping the race hard and fast in the final 5 kms but never bothers with more than one man as a direct lead out, often you will see his man on the front with Sagan 4th or 5th wheel picking the man he wants to line up his sprint from.

Barring incident the Green jersey competition looks wrapped up already as he looks set to be almost level at worst at rest day 1 and my view is than a purer sprinter with aspirations for the green jersey would need to be 60-80 points ahead minimum at that point to really push Sagan.
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09 Jul 2018 00:26

That was a good post-race interview he did: positive (easier when you’ve won) and also with some specific details about the race (“the finish was harder than I thought it would be”) and sharing that his Dad and a hometown friend were there at the finish today.
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10 Jul 2018 17:51

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10 Jul 2018 18:38



He didn't sabotage him but he certainly dropped him like a 10 ton ton brick!
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11 Jul 2018 02:17



Lol no where near it.
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11 Jul 2018 15:49

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11 Jul 2018 16:27

I want to see Sagan riding LBL as soonest possible!

Now that he got both cobbled monuments, he should go for the LBL!
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11 Jul 2018 16:49

Needs to win MSR first.
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11 Jul 2018 16:55

Congrats on equalising Zabel this year in green jersey final victories
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11 Jul 2018 18:00

Posting here because it fits better:

GuyIncognito wrote:Anyway, as Sagan said a few months ago he will never have any chance of ever winning LBL or Lombardia much less a proper mountain stage, because he weighs 79kg not the usually reported 73 and if he goes below that he loses a lot of power so climbs even worse (and does everything else worse), which is what happened during his worse 2014/2015 period


Winning LBL or Lombardia is much, much harder than winning a "proper" mountain stage.
Much lesser riders than Sagan win mountain stages every year in Tour, Giro and Vuelta, particularly from breakaways, it's just a question of how much he wants it. And of course as long as he's capable of winning stages like today, or sunday, or Flanders/Roubaix (and presumably M-SR when he eventually wins that) it doesn't make sense for him to go for that.

But, and I used to be a long time "hater" of Sagan, after everything we've seen him do, I'm baffled anyone could even argue that it wouldn't be possible for him to win a mountain stage. Not the GC, but one stage.
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11 Jul 2018 18:08

Well, of course he can win a stage from a breakaway. Anyone can, given the right course and breakaway.
You know that that's not my point :)
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11 Jul 2018 18:18

GuyIncognito wrote:Well, of course he can win a stage from a breakaway. Anyone can, given the right course and breakaway.
You know that that's not my point :)


No actually, I guess we were talking about different things. ;)

If you meant, like, winning on Alpe d'Huez from a select GC group, then I agree that's probably one of the few things he's not physically able to do regardless of how much weight he loses.
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11 Jul 2018 19:01

He’s unlikely to win on Alpe from any group because the break on that day will always contain one or two climbers, from small teams with no GC aspirations, who are stronger than him on >6%, >2km slopes. Nobody’s going to let Sagan pull a Poli.
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12 Jul 2018 03:25

I don’t want to see Sagan trying to climb better. He can just continue impressing in the races that he currently rides. It would most likely result in little to no results.
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15 Jul 2018 10:46

Random stat time -

In the first 7 road stages the sum of Sagan's placings is 19. At a very quick glance looks like his previous best for 7 was 23 in 2014. I daresay today will come fairly cheaply too. I'm guessing this is some sort of "record" for modern times and not sure if it says more about Sagan or the route.

Going to the obvious ones, Petacchi managed 12 in the first 6 in the 2003 Giro, beating Sagan's 17 for 6 here.

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15 Jul 2018 20:08

A familiar position for Sagan today. Might have had a chance to join the winning move but couldn't find a partner -- not surprisingly. Raced smart, stayed up front, but was always going to be marked. Now he gets to rest a bit and join the grupetto.
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15 Jul 2018 20:09

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Congrats on equalising Zabel this year in green jersey final victories


Don't. Jinx. It.
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16 Jul 2018 18:19

RedheadDane wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Congrats on equalising Zabel this year in green jersey final victories


Don't. Jinx. It.


Exactly, some stupid fall, or mechanical and gaviria is back in contention. It's far from over.
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