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Re: Rui Costa Discussion Thread

07 Jan 2018 10:01

42x16ss wrote:
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drebelo wrote:Let's not forget that there is a guy named Diego Ulissi that will want to make a good impression in the ardennes classics too. Ulissi and Costa didn't work really well together so I'm curious to see what they will do with Martin in their team. I have a feeling that yet again it will be any man for itself. Let see If the UAE staff can put some sense in their heads cause they have an amazing team in their hands if they work together


I don’t think that there will necessarily be that much conflict at the Ardennes: Martin doesn’t care about Amstel, while he’s clearly the only one with a chance at Flèche, which is just about pure strength. The only race where they might get in each other’s way is LBL. And even at Liege there are ways for Costa and/or Ulissi to ride for themselves while also helping Martin, ie by attacking before Ans. Then again, this being the ex-Lampre, we could easily see Costa and Ulissi hanging around to the end and still not helping. Management need to be very clear that if Costa or Ulissi want their own chance they have to attack on one of the earlier climbs and if they don’t, they work.

I think there’s more likelihood of problems in the GTs. Neither Aru nor Martin are going to be keen on the teams they are leading using a rider slot to bring a strong climber who won’t do dom work.

That can be solved by sending one to the Giro with the intent of winning, while the other does the TDF


I was talking about Ulissi and Costa. I like both of the, but nobody is going to send either to the Giro to win it.
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Re: Rui Costa Discussion Thread

07 Jan 2018 10:25

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42x16ss wrote:
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drebelo wrote:Let's not forget that there is a guy named Diego Ulissi that will want to make a good impression in the ardennes classics too. Ulissi and Costa didn't work really well together so I'm curious to see what they will do with Martin in their team. I have a feeling that yet again it will be any man for itself. Let see If the UAE staff can put some sense in their heads cause they have an amazing team in their hands if they work together


I don’t think that there will necessarily be that much conflict at the Ardennes: Martin doesn’t care about Amstel, while he’s clearly the only one with a chance at Flèche, which is just about pure strength. The only race where they might get in each other’s way is LBL. And even at Liege there are ways for Costa and/or Ulissi to ride for themselves while also helping Martin, ie by attacking before Ans. Then again, this being the ex-Lampre, we could easily see Costa and Ulissi hanging around to the end and still not helping. Management need to be very clear that if Costa or Ulissi want their own chance they have to attack on one of the earlier climbs and if they don’t, they work.

I think there’s more likelihood of problems in the GTs. Neither Aru nor Martin are going to be keen on the teams they are leading using a rider slot to bring a strong climber who won’t do dom work.

That can be solved by sending one to the Giro with the intent of winning, while the other does the TDF


I was talking about Ulissi and Costa. I like both of the, but nobody is going to send either to the Giro to win it.

That is a trickier proposition. Again, UAE would probably have to split them up too. Maybe Ulissi stage hunting at the Giro and Costa as super domestique at the TDF. The Ardennes could be another story
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07 Jan 2018 13:42

I don’t think, with the best will in the world, Dan Martin is going to win the Tour either. So it might make sense to tell Costa “get in the break every day in the mountains. Help Dan if/when his group catches you. If they don’t catch you, start pushing for the stage win.”
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07 Jan 2018 17:07

Leinster wrote:I don’t think, with the best will in the world, Dan Martin is going to win the Tour either. So it might make sense to tell Costa “get in the break every day in the mountains. Help Dan if/when his group catches you. If they don’t catch you, start pushing for the stage win.”


That might be what happens, but the Tour squad will only have eight riders. Six after Martin and Kristoff. There’s relatively little room for carrying other riders with their own goals in a dual focus team, so it will be interesting to see if Costa makes himself useful for someone else.
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08 Jan 2018 00:12

Leinster wrote:I don’t think, with the best will in the world, Dan Martin is going to win the Tour either. So it might make sense to tell Costa “get in the break every day in the mountains. Help Dan if/when his group catches you. If they don’t catch you, start pushing for the stage win.”



Dan Martin believes he can podium at the Tour and so do I

A podium at the Tour is worth alot to a team...all the publicity...much better than Costa can deliver ....so with all the best will in the world Costa, if he is at the Tour just like the Ardennes, needs to ride for Dan Martin

I dont see why what Costa gets up to is so important when Dan Matin is a genune contender ...and it hasbeen years since Costa has won a stage..>Seems to me the priorites are all wromg...Dan Martin needs to be supported by a rider who is past his best and was never a GT contender ...simples
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08 Jan 2018 09:27

HelloDolly wrote:
Leinster wrote:I don’t think, with the best will in the world, Dan Martin is going to win the Tour either. So it might make sense to tell Costa “get in the break every day in the mountains. Help Dan if/when his group catches you. If they don’t catch you, start pushing for the stage win.”



Dan Martin believes he can podium at the Tour and so do I

A podium at the Tour is worth alot to a team...all the publicity...much better than Costa can deliver ....so with all the best will in the world Costa, if he is at the Tour just like the Ardennes, needs to ride for Dan Martin

I dont see why what Costa gets up to is so important when Dan Matin is a genune contender ...and it hasbeen years since Costa has won a stage..>Seems to me the priorites are all wromg...Dan Martin needs to be supported by a rider who is past his best and was never a GT contender ...simples


At the Tour yes, no doubt. In the Ardennes I don't think so...
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13 Oct 2018 20:30

What is the story with Rui Costa ....a World Champion and multiple Tour de France stage winner a Tour de Suisse GC winner ...
Does he keep getting chances at 32 ?? Last win Abu Dhabi 2017
He is hardly good domestique material or if he is I haven't seen it
But then again UAE haven't really been a top team this year

is he goingto stay or has he any offers I wonder
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13 Oct 2018 20:41

HelloDolly wrote:What is the story with Rui Costa ....a World Champion and multiple Tour de France stage winner a Tour de Suisse GC winner ...
Does he keep getting chances at 32 ?? Last win Abu Dhabi 2017
He is hardly good domestique material or if he is I haven't seen it
But then again UAE haven't really been a top team this year

is he goingto stay or has he any offers I wonder

He was top 10 at the Worlds

Biggest enigma in the peloton for me. True jack of all trades, master of none in terms of climbnig races
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13 Oct 2018 20:50

There's no mystery here. He's had a recurring knee injury that has repeatedly kept him from training long enough to reach good form since early 2015. And that's not going into the lung infection that ruined his 2 attempts at Tour GC.

The previous seasons have been the same, but for the sake of example this has been his 2018:

Restart training in the winter after yet another injury layoff. Start the season, do a few races. Aim to reach form for the classics. Re-injure the knee during Paris-Nice. Abandon and spend weeks without training. Restart training in April.

Finally reach middling form in time for Romandie. Climb with Roglic and Bernal. Finish 5th. Immediately re-injure knee. Sit out for a few more months. Return in August. Reach some semblance of form for the Worlds. Start feeling knee pain immediately after.

In short, same story as the last previous 3 and a half seasons.

Red Rick wrote:
HelloDolly wrote:What is the story with Rui Costa ....a World Champion and multiple Tour de France stage winner a Tour de Suisse GC winner ...
Does he keep getting chances at 32 ?? Last win Abu Dhabi 2017
He is hardly good domestique material or if he is I haven't seen it
But then again UAE haven't really been a top team this year

is he goingto stay or has he any offers I wonder

He was top 10 at the Worlds

Biggest enigma in the peloton for me. True jack of all trades, master of none in terms of climbnig races


I don't see him as an enigma. He's a Camenzind clone, he's great at all things but not really the best at any so rarely wins. Except he's always injured.
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13 Oct 2018 21:03

I read on a portuguese forum he has offers from Katusha, EF-Drapac, Cofidis and Astana. UAE also wants to keep him.
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14 Oct 2018 00:15

carolina wrote:I read on a portuguese forum he has offers from Katusha, EF-Drapac, Cofidis and Astana. UAE also wants to keep him.



if his knee is so rubbish then why the offers ?
Surely that will always be the case from now on
Also why has he not declared for UAE then if they want to keep him??
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14 Oct 2018 09:41

Probably a question of money. With his poor results he will surely get a salary cut.
Also, with Martin, Aru, Ulissi and Henao, his chances of being a leader in UAE are very slim.

Astana would very good for him, but I'm afraid he will choose Katusha for the portuguese connection (José Azevedo and José Gonçalves on the team).
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