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11 Jul 2018 00:57

Yes but it is Froome!
And he had an extra week to rest.
And he has the best team!
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11 Jul 2018 01:06

Escarabajo wrote:Yes but it is Froome!
And he had an extra week to rest.
And he has the best team!



You forgot to add and Quintana isn't sole leader in his team and has to share that with both Landa and Valverde.
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11 Jul 2018 03:49

Moviefan1203 wrote:Anyone that thinks that a fresh and in form Quintana can’t take reasonable time on Froome in the mountains is really mind boggling. Froome had to go really deep to win the Giro. He isn’t going to be at his best in the third week.

point is that quintana hasn't delivered anything impressive climbing-wise since the 2015 tour. the 2016 vuelta was won tactically, his climbing superiority over froome didn't seem overwhelming while being head and shoulders above all the contenders in the mountains is what he vitally needs to win the tour.
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11 Jul 2018 05:04

Koronin wrote:
Escarabajo wrote:Yes but it is Froome!
And he had an extra week to rest.
And he has the best team!



You forgot to add and Quintana isn't sole leader in his team and has to share that with both Landa and Valverde.


Even better for him. This way he'll be forced to go earlier because of the team tactics, and if he's strong enough he could do some serious damage.
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11 Jul 2018 07:40

Moviefan1203 wrote:Anyone that thinks that a fresh and in form Quintana can’t take reasonable time on Froome in the mountains is really mind boggling. Froome had to go really deep to win the Giro. He isn’t going to be at his best in the third week.

What's reasonable though? He could drop 3 more mins easily in cobble stage/TT.
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11 Jul 2018 08:02

dacooley wrote:
Moviefan1203 wrote:Anyone that thinks that a fresh and in form Quintana can’t take reasonable time on Froome in the mountains is really mind boggling. Froome had to go really deep to win the Giro. He isn’t going to be at his best in the third week.

point is that quintana hasn't delivered anything impressive climbing-wise since the 2015 tour. the 2016 vuelta was won tactically, his climbing superiority over froome didn't seem overwhelming while being head and shoulders above all the contenders in the mountains is what he vitally needs to win the tour.


He did take small amouts of time on Froome in Vuela 2016 climbs though, at first he needs to ignore Froome and put time into the other pretenders, then he can worry about Froome.

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Moviefan1203 wrote:Anyone that thinks that a fresh and in form Quintana can’t take reasonable time on Froome in the mountains is really mind boggling. Froome had to go really deep to win the Giro. He isn’t going to be at his best in the third week.

What's reasonable though? He could drop 3 more mins easily in cobble stage/TT.


Look at 2015 cobbles stage which Tony M won - no time lost then
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11 Jul 2018 08:26

dacooley wrote:
Moviefan1203 wrote:Anyone that thinks that a fresh and in form Quintana can’t take reasonable time on Froome in the mountains is really mind boggling. Froome had to go really deep to win the Giro. He isn’t going to be at his best in the third week.

point is that quintana hasn't delivered anything impressive climbing-wise since the 2015 tour. the 2016 vuelta was won tactically, his climbing superiority over froome didn't seem overwhelming while being head and shoulders above all the contenders in the mountains is what he vitally needs to win the tour.

His Vuelta 2016 climbing was impressive IMO. Look no further than Lagos de Covadonga - we don't need to hold Quintana to ridiculously high standards. Froome would possibly have won that Vuelta if not for the big break, but Quintana was the better climber in that Vuelta, altho not by much. Then he has obviously shown flashes in 2017 with stage wins on Terminillo and Blockhaus, two hard climbs, but overall was just pretty bad. A 2013-esque Contador season, just a little better.
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11 Jul 2018 08:44

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dacooley wrote:
Moviefan1203 wrote:Anyone that thinks that a fresh and in form Quintana can’t take reasonable time on Froome in the mountains is really mind boggling. Froome had to go really deep to win the Giro. He isn’t going to be at his best in the third week.

point is that quintana hasn't delivered anything impressive climbing-wise since the 2015 tour. the 2016 vuelta was won tactically, his climbing superiority over froome didn't seem overwhelming while being head and shoulders above all the contenders in the mountains is what he vitally needs to win the tour.

His Vuelta 2016 climbing was impressive IMO. Look no further than Lagos de Covadonga - we don't need to hold Quintana to ridiculously high standards. Froome would possibly have won that Vuelta if not for the big break, but Quintana was the better climber in that Vuelta, altho not by much. Then he has obviously shown flashes in 2017 with stage wins on Terminillo and Blockhaus, two hard climbs, but overall was just pretty bad. A 2013-esque Contador season, just a little better.

I agree, putting 25'' and about 40'' into froome on Cavadonga and Cobertoria was pretty solid. But we should evaluate Quintana based on what he can propose climbing-wise to win the tour as I don't think he's much interested at just podiuming yet again. Granted, Tour may be won with a few moderate-scale solos like on Cavadonga, providing Porte, Froome and Dimoulin will be heavily cracking at some point. But I wouldn't count on that too much, so imperious 2013 and 2015 3rd week shape is the only possible salvation.
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11 Jul 2018 19:39

He almost got gapped today. But this is not his thing anyway. Hope he goes well tomorrow.
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11 Jul 2018 20:03

Escarabajo wrote:He almost got gapped today. But this is not his thing anyway. Hope he goes well tomorrow.


Both he and Landa said they were just happy to not get gapped today because this type of finish is bad for them and they aren't looking forward to tomorrow's finish either for themselves.
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12 Jul 2018 00:31

Quintana will probably gain 2 minutes on Froome in the 3rd week between the mountains but it will be too late because he was 3 minutes behind.
wait a moment.....
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12 Jul 2018 01:04

Singer01 wrote:
Moviefan1203 wrote:Anyone that thinks that a fresh and in form Quintana can’t take reasonable time on Froome in the mountains is really mind boggling. Froome had to go really deep to win the Giro. He isn’t going to be at his best in the third week.

What's reasonable though? He could drop 3 more mins easily in cobble stage/TT.


I’d say 2-3 minutes assuming he survives the cobbles without going down, and he’s willing/allowed to attack with a vengeance.
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15 Jul 2018 11:24

Its a real uphill task today for Nairo. Hes already down 1 min on Froome. Losing another 2-3mins is going to make it really difficult to come back.
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15 Jul 2018 14:21

Nailed it today

Particularly loved the moment Froome went on the attack on the flat and it was Nairito who was straight into his wheels
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15 Jul 2018 14:25

Eclipse wrote:Nailed it today

Particularly loved the moment Froome went on the attack on the flat and it was Nairito who was straight into his wheels

He must be in good shape to be able to stay at the front of the race all day. I think if he had Giro 2017 form, we'd have seen him yo-yoing off the back a lot more. Interesting to see what he can do in the mountains.
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15 Jul 2018 14:27

now it's time to attack if he will be in good form the last tt he will lose less of a minute
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15 Jul 2018 14:29

Very impressed with today.

Now he need to go on the attack these 3 days next week. Looks to be in great shape.
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15 Jul 2018 14:36

hope landa doesn't hurt too much he will be important for nairo to win letour
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15 Jul 2018 14:39

telencefalus wrote:hope landa doesn't hurt too much he will be important for nairo to win letour


It's not too farfetched to say that Landa is one of his main rivals as of today.
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15 Jul 2018 15:05

Brilliant ride today. Everyone had written him off. He was so good. In the front on such a course. Hats off Nairo!
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