Angliru wrote: Scarponi wrote:
The real answer as why this rider has this many pages compared to anyone else is that this forum has an compulsive obsession with Columbian and portuguese riders. At least 20 posters will comment on a rider who finishes 25th like it's an achievement because he is Colombian. It takes a Contador or Peter Sagan for these posters to even consider anyone outside of this country. It's sickening in every single thread you can read the word "Colombian" for a rider who has failed for five years while skipping the true protagonists of the race , Australian riders are especially down castes in favour of this top 25 Colombian brigade
The Colombian riders are pretty deserving of the attention that they get but this Portuguese phenomenon that you speak of I can't really say that I've noticed it at all. If we have many Portuguese posters on here it's only natural that they discuss their nation's riders often. Having these posters providing insights that we may not always have at our disposal otherwise is a gift IMO.
Although I'm biased to the colombian threads (I will point out that the ratio of colombian wt riders to wins is one of the highest, if not the highest, maybe Slovakia has a higher ratio) but the case of Betancur comes down to what is really seen as raw talent vs wasted opportunities.
In 2011 he won Giro Dell'Emilia and was 'on the map'. 2012 he had that big fight where Liquigas said they signed him and Acqua & Sapone said that no, he was with them. Betancur stayed with Acqua & Sapone. At this point, we knew he was 'special', that teams were fighting for him, but also 'special' because, c'mon, who signs two different contracts with their own clauses? Red Flag goes up.
2013 came, he goes to Ag2r (another red flag. two italian teams fighting for him so he goes to a french team with a huge language barrier?) and he gets 3rd at Fleche Wallonne, 4th at Liege Bastone Liege, and 5th at the Giro while getting the white jersey. 7th at Pais Vasco. But then Vuelta a España comes and we hear he just doesn't want to ride anymore for the year. Red Flag again.
2014. We hear the rumors..we see his WEIGHT at Paris-Nice. Looks like the team isn't happy, we all hear that he doesn't have the same shape, that no one wants to work for him, yet he still MANAGES TO WIN BACK TO BACK STAGES and the GC!!. Raw talent. Only person that I know that had THAT much raw talent was Sagan, where he was winning everywhere. Yes, Sagan is the GOAT, but he started with similar hype of raw talent. We all think it: If he gets serious, he will be the best of the escarabajos. He goes on and wins stage 1 at Tour du Haut, wins the GC, wins the points. Yes, small European tour race in France, but we see is winning, we assume trajectory is going up for the year. Then he doesn't SHOW UP FOR THE TOUR?!?!. (a FRENCH team at Le Tour picks him for leader and he does this?! the gall!) Another fight with the team (just like Liquigas?) at Ag2r. He gets stuck with "visa" problems for the rest of the year. Red Flag Again! (is that like two here?).
2014 still: He is a head case, we hear about billiards and beer and parties. He randomly shows up to colombian races and WINS THEM (but then gets disqualified because he is WT/he didn't sign up for the race/he forgot to sign in before the race, etc..).
2015: We hear Arredondo is willing to train with him but Arredondo gets wrecked and is out for 2 years. We also heard Uran and Henao went to knock at this door for training and he wouldn't come out. We hear the issue is the team Ag2r and he refuses to race with them (just like he refused to race for Liquigas).CRAZY RED FLAGS!
2016: If anyone will fix him, it will be Movistar. He does Asturias. Not a big race, Hugh Carthy wins the overall but out of shape Betancur wins stage 2! another roller stage, not a climber one, but this is great! beginning of the year starting out well. He does Castilla y Leon and WINS STAGE 1!. He then become domestique #1 and helps his new best friend Valverde win the next stage and the overall! what we wanted! He goes to the Giro but struggles, does some breakaways, but ends up abandoning on stage 19 (you forgot he was there? LOL).
2017: Too soon to tell. He started 2016 around March/April so he is a bit ahead of schedule.
This is actually a really important race for him. Anacona is there with him. Arredondo will be there, probably side to side. Bernal (20) and Martinez (21) and even Gaviria (23) are all young colombians that will love to be racing with the great Betancur. Add Uran to the event and his teammate Carapaz from Ecuador and you have your typical training ride in Colombia at this race. Betancur is now 28 (P. Sagan is 27). This year WILL be his last option at the WT peloton (IMO). Duarte, Sarmiento, Avila, Rodriguez, Rubiano,Chalapud all make up the list of pretty good colombians that couldn't cut it at WT for many reasons and are back at continental levels. Betancur is done if he doesn't do anything in 2017