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Cancellara Thread

16 Nov 2014 14:19

Is Fabian Cancellara will be a world champion of Road Race one fine day ?
I think that his personal motivation is focused on racing spring especially his subconscious even if he declares something else, what do you think ?

Preparation and battle of Cancellara:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTHcpeiZM38&spfreload=10
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16 Nov 2014 17:16

PaPong wrote:Is Fabian Cancellara will be a world champion of Road Race one fine day ?
I think that his personal motivation is focused on racing spring especially his subconscious even if he declares something else, what do you think ?

Preparation and battle of Cancellara:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTHcpeiZM38&spfreload=10


nice vid. Personally I think he's both focused on winning more monuments and winning a worlds RR title. Afterall there's a considerable time distance between late september and early april, so he can easily focus on both parts of the season without compromizing his preparations for one of the two targets.
Next year, I'm excited to see how (or if/whether) he will deal with the Tour prologue. Would love to see him in yellow yet again, but he needs to focus more on his time trial to do that (I reckon he's only the 3rd best time trialist at this very moment).
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16 Nov 2014 18:32

We know he is one of the best TT specialists but I'm still impressed that he as a TT talent wins Road Races unlike Chris Boardman in 90s and Tony Martin in these times
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16 Nov 2014 18:50

Aren't time-trials raced on roads? On an ice rink or so? :p

In my language, we call that "in line" races. Or "peloton races".
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16 Nov 2014 19:01

PaPong wrote:We know he is one of the best TT specialists but I'm still impressed that he as a TT talent wins Road Races unlike Chris Boardman in 90s and Tony Martin in these times

Tony Martin has shown he's respectable stage and small tours hunter.
But he lacks the classics' quality.
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16 Nov 2014 19:36

victories of Cancellara are more spectacular in the monuments

it is interesting that he said he knows he will never win TdF but thinking about it incredibly motivating him

Echoes: You are right English is not my language :) but I suggested this: Here are some an expressions of the world championship schedule: Elite road race, Elite time trial, Elite team time trial :)
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16 Nov 2014 20:22

Echoes wrote:Aren't time-trials raced on roads? On an ice rink or so? :p

In my language, we call that "in line" races. Or "peloton races".


"The term "road racing" is usually applied to events where competing riders start simultaneously (unless riding a handicap event) with the winner being the first to the line at the end of the course (individual and team time trials are another form of cycle racing on roads)" - wikipedia, I know. But I think this is how most people defines a road race, anyway.
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16 Nov 2014 20:51

PaPong wrote:victories of Cancellara are more spectacular in the monuments

it is interesting that he said he knows he will never win TdF but thinking about it incredibly motivating him

Echoes: You are right English is not my language :) but I suggested this: Here are some an expressions of the world championship schedule: Elite road race, Elite time trial, Elite team time trial :)

Classics are more impressive, off course.
You could compare Martin's and Cancellara's stage victories, too.
And there's Cancellara's Tour de Suisse. He can exploit an opportunity when it's given.
The road rainbow jersey would put him in the all time league.
Martin will stay inside his generation field, I'm afraid.
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16 Nov 2014 21:31

Cance > TheRest- Thank You :)

sir fly- "He can exploit an opportunity when it's given"- Well written, Fabian has a racing instinct This sets it apart from others typical TT specialists but Martin actually he is a horse race too but not as spectacular like Fabian.

Cancellara feels great to fight in the peloton a few years ago on a bicycle frame he had the medallion with the number seven on the dice game. He knows what it's all about
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16 Nov 2014 21:48

PaPong wrote:Cance > TheRest- Thank You :)

sir fly- "He can exploit an opportunity when it's given"- Well written, Fabian has a racing instinct This sets it apart from others typical TT specialists but Martin actually he is a horse race too but not as spectacular like Fabian.

Cancellara feels great to fight in the peloton a few years ago on a bicycle frame he had the medallion with the number seven on the dice game. He knows what it's all about

The luck plays a role on the cobbles, certainly.
Remember 2009. and 2012..
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16 Nov 2014 22:37

sir fly wrote:The luck plays a role on the cobbles, certainly.
Remember 2009. and 2012..


crash and defects, certainly

I love one-day races for often it is type of gambling, it is one day, one chance often. For example: 30 km to the finish line and what to do ? attack or be in a group and still waiting ? which way is better ? what if they catch up, you will lose all the power without the chance of a podium, time and kilometers run away. it is fantastic racing game :rolleyes:
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16 Nov 2014 22:41

PaPong wrote:crash and defects, certainly

I love one-day races for often it is type of gambling, it is one day, one chance often. For example: 30 km to the finish line and what to do ? attack or be in a group and still waiting ? which way is better ? what if they catch up, you will lose all the power without the chance of a podium, time and kilometers run away. it is fantastic racing game :rolleyes:

Chess on wheels.
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17 Nov 2014 09:51

sir fly wrote:The luck plays a role on the cobbles, certainly.
Remember 2009. and 2012..


Luck played no role back then. Flecha and Hushovd crashed because they were exhausted and made mistakes, period.

A crash on the cobbles is no bad luck, it's a matter of clear-mindedness as De Vlaeminck famously put it.

Luck plays no bigger role than on any other race.
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17 Nov 2014 19:11

Echoes wrote:Luck played no role back then. Flecha and Hushovd crashed because they were exhausted and made mistakes, period.

A crash on the cobbles is no bad luck, it's a matter of clear-mindedness as De Vlaeminck famously put it.

Luck plays no bigger role than on any other race.


I'm pretty sure it takes a little more luck to stay upright on cobbles than a smooth tarmac road. Of course great skill is involved, I just think there is a little more luck involved as well.
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17 Nov 2014 20:01

sir fly wrote:Chess on wheels.


Having played both a fair bit, I think it's interesting to compare both chess and poker to cycling.

Chess is a game of perfect information. You have full viability over all of your opponents pieces, options, etc. Chess players may & will be surprised by a novelty or brilliancy, but the opponent has every opportunity to see it coming and it's their own fault for not being better prepared.

Poker, on the other hand, is a game of partial / imperfect information. You have limited knowledge of your opponents strengths / weaknesses. You make your move based on the limited info you have.

Compared to cycling, I think a GT is more like a chess game. The strategies are mostly unveiled, and the strongest usually wins. The losers are rarely too surprised when they lose time on a MTF.

I think of classics more as a poker game. You don't really know how strong your opponent is, or if the peloton will chase the break, or if there will be a decisive crash. You have a bit of an idea of the right course of action, based on how your opponents have raced the race so far, but maybe they are bluffing. Or maybe they are acting weak when they are strong. It's much more a game of imperfect information. This makes it no less tactical -- in some ways it makes it more tactical.
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17 Nov 2014 21:31

Well said, GoodTimes.
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24 Aug 2015 17:30

Does he have what it takes to win the worlds road race after all these setbacks this season?
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24 Aug 2015 17:31

Best thing is not to hype him and let him take a low profile. Remember Florence.
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27 Aug 2015 17:46

He knows how best to prepare for the one day races. But of late i am not sure his strategies are correct. For example sprinting against pure sprinters in MSR and trying to take on the punchers in Florence WRR and failing. Though this might be his last favorable chance.
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27 Aug 2015 18:14

Don't think he has much of a chance on this route.
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