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03 Jan 2018 18:11

portugal11 wrote:
Akuryo wrote:If you can win in the Ardennes, you can win Flanders on the right day in my opinion. It is not like Roubaix where you need a completely different skillset. It is basically a hilly race. Only difference is a few of those hills have cobbles. And you can prepare yourself for these occasions.

what??? if you can win flanders, you can win in the ardennes, not the opposite


Not sure that Sagan, GVA or a heavyweight could compete with Bala, Alaphilippe or Poels in such climbs. But a good climber that works on his cobbles101 and raw power could do the job on the Ronde. Not speaking about Paris-Roubaix surely.
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Re: Re:

03 Jan 2018 18:11

portugal11 wrote:
Akuryo wrote:If you can win in the Ardennes, you can win Flanders on the right day in my opinion. It is not like Roubaix where you need a completely different skillset. It is basically a hilly race. Only difference is a few of those hills have cobbles. And you can prepare yourself for these occasions.

what??? if you can win flanders, you can win in the ardennes, not the opposite


Alexander Kristoff appreciates your vote of confidence in his climbing abilities, but respectfully declines to demonstrate.

I think there’s a lot less evidence for your suggestion than vice versa. There have been multiple multi-Flanders winners who have never even attempted Liege.
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03 Jan 2018 18:41

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portugal11 wrote:
Akuryo wrote:If you can win in the Ardennes, you can win Flanders on the right day in my opinion. It is not like Roubaix where you need a completely different skillset. It is basically a hilly race. Only difference is a few of those hills have cobbles. And you can prepare yourself for these occasions.

what??? if you can win flanders, you can win in the ardennes, not the opposite

You do realise they actually mean the same thing by extension right?

⇒ ≠ ⇔ ;)
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03 Jan 2018 19:06

I think there is a spectrum.

Only Fleche/Liege: Henao, Purito, Martin, Poels
Fleche/Liege/Amstel/Strade, perhaps smaller cobbled races like E3 and even Flanders: Alaphillipe, Albasini, Valverde,
Pure all-rounder, Flanders AND Liege (sometimes even competitive in polar opposite races like Roubaix and Fleche): Kwaitkowski, Moscon and Gilbert
Roubaix/Flanders + Amstel, Strade and other hilly races: GVA, Sagan, Vanmacke, Trentin, Stybar
Only Roubaix/Flanders: Boonen, Terpstra, Stannard, Kristoff
Only Roubaix: Very heavy lead-out men
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03 Jan 2018 19:09

I can't see why Valverde and Purito are in different categories, but agreed, it's a distribution with two peaks.
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03 Jan 2018 19:16

Netserk wrote:I can't see why Valverde and Purito are in different categories, but agreed, it's a distribution with two peaks.

Purito is more pure in terms of being an explosive climber, where as Valverde has some more versatility to him, just look at Strade Bianche or his timetrials, especially shorter ones and prologues. He is very good technically as well. Simply just quite a bit better rouleur and allrounder than Purito ever could imagine to be. Had he been that, he would have won in Firenze.

I don't think Valverde is powerful enough for Flanders tho. However, I have no doubt in my mind that if he focused heavily on it and gained a few extra kilos and such he would be up there fighting for the win on the right day at some point of his career (assuming he took that path).
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03 Jan 2018 19:23

Velolover2 wrote:I think there is a spectrum.

Only Fleche/Liege: Henao, Purito, Martin, Poels
Fleche/Liege/Amstel/Strade, perhaps smaller cobbled races like E3 and even Flanders: Alaphillipe, Albasini, Valverde,
Pure all-rounder, Flanders AND Liege (sometimes even competitive in polar opposite races like Roubaix and Fleche): Kwaitkowski, Moscon and Gilbert
Roubaix/Flanders + Amstel, Strade and other hilly races: GVA, Sagan, Vanmacke, Trentin, Stybar
Only Roubaix/Flanders: Boonen, Terpstra, Stannard, Kristoff
Only Roubaix: Very heavy lead-out men

You need to allow for MSR in there as well, especially given JA’s 3rd place in 2017. It would give an interesting overlap with the big sprinters, who can ride Roubaix and Flanders but not Liege or Strade.

GVA has a top 10 and 11th at Liege, 4 top-20 finishes at Lombardia, and an Olympic RR title on a veery hilly course. He’s one of the only genuine all-road classics riders in the current peloton. Or he would be, if he chose to target them all.
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03 Jan 2018 19:24

Netserk wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
portugal11 wrote:
Akuryo wrote:If you can win in the Ardennes, you can win Flanders on the right day in my opinion. It is not like Roubaix where you need a completely different skillset. It is basically a hilly race. Only difference is a few of those hills have cobbles. And you can prepare yourself for these occasions.

what??? if you can win flanders, you can win in the ardennes, not the opposite

You do realise they actually mean the same thing by extension right?

⇒ ≠ ⇔ ;)

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I can't read

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03 Jan 2018 19:26

Netserk wrote:I can't see why Valverde and Purito are in different categories, but agreed, it's a distribution with two peaks.

Purito never contended at Strade, and never had the sprint to be a factor at Amstel. Valverde has been to the fore in both.
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03 Jan 2018 19:28

Purito was 2nd in Amstel, and I think he would have ridden Strade if he was younger, but I'll admit that Valverde is more of an all-rounder than Purito, I just don't think it is enough for them to be in different categories.
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03 Jan 2018 19:53

Leinster wrote:
Netserk wrote:I can't see why Valverde and Purito are in different categories, but agreed, it's a distribution with two peaks.

Purito never contended at Strade, and never had the sprint to be a factor at Amstel. Valverde has been to the fore in both.

This.

Valverde is obviously more versatile but why wouldn't 2012-esque Purito not be able to competitive in a race like Strade Biache?

You have top 10's from Pinot, Uran, Evans, Barguil, Rogers, Hesjedal and his lead-out man Caruso. Peak Purito could very well top 5 that race.

It's the only race for everyone except the pure sprinters.
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