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17 Jul 2017 18:25

Chaves will be fine once he gets more miles in his legs - He should be fit enough to do a decent Vuelta.
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17 Jul 2017 20:04

I'm little surprised his mood became a topic.
No doubt he's affected, but his Tour showing is a consequence of several more factors. And I'd say the physical are way more responsible for his placings than mental reasons.
He's been through a lot, himself, and probably knows how to cope the crisis. The races and podiums are where all the people close to his heart would like to see him. Both gone and present.
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17 Jul 2017 20:09

He will probably do very well on one of the last mountain stages and everything will be fine heading into the Vuelta. For me, he is the favourite if he doesn't have any complications.
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21 Jul 2017 00:28

He looked so dreadful in this Tour that I am wondering what the hec happened with him and his injury in Colombia. Must have been terrible. He was even a bit overweight. He needs to improve soon in time for La Vuelta.
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21 Jul 2017 01:34

Chavito's doing very well, considering the circumstances. Going the distance this year is fairly satisfying.
By the Vuelta he should be in condition to repeat last year's performances, I hope. These weeks between the races are going to be important for him, and I'm pretty sure the team management is aware (and on top) of it.
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21 Jul 2017 09:23

Strange that it was posted in this thread that Chaves was using the TDF as a training exercise - Some fail to listen.
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21 Jul 2017 12:58

yaco wrote:Strange that it was posted in this thread that Chaves was using the TDF as a training exercise - Some fail to listen.

Yaco, I understand this and you said several times. I heard you already. I just think for his caliber of rider he looked really dead in some of the stages. I am not used to other Colombians of his caliber to just soft pedal. maybe I need to get use to it. And also about his personal life. I know that the dead of his massage therapist hit him very hard.

Thanks for all your feedbacks about him and Orica. I appreciate it. :)
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21 Jul 2017 16:03

Escarabajo wrote:
yaco wrote:Strange that it was posted in this thread that Chaves was using the TDF as a training exercise - Some fail to listen.

Yaco, I understand this and you said several times. I heard you already. I just think for his caliber of rider he looked really dead in some of the stages. I am not used to other Colombians of his caliber to just soft pedal. maybe I need to get use to it. And also about his personal life. I know that the dead of his massage therapist hit him very hard.

Thanks for all your feedbacks about him and Orica. I appreciate it. :)


Its not a strange performance when you did not race from February to June with half that time off the bike.
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21 Jul 2017 20:39

He still looked better in the Dauphine tho. I don't know, he hasnt been super uplifting, but maybe that wasn't the plan at all. Maybe it was 100% training riding at certain wattages to prepare as best as possible for the Vuelta.
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23 Jul 2017 11:32

From cyclingnews:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chaves-fights-through-setbacks-to-make-paris-in-tour-de-france-debut/

White has seen enough these past three weeks to be convinced of Chaves’ ability to win the Vuelta, but what does Chaves himself make of his prospects?

“If I’m on this level now,” he says, “the only way I can go is better.”


Good luck Chaves!
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23 Jul 2017 19:16

As White said, finishing the Tour with all misfortune Chaves experienced so far this year is praiseworthy.
And Chavito, himself, is handling the situation good.

Once again he's put to the test and I'm sure he can get stronger out of it. Even more so in such supporting and responsible environment of Orica.
Strong Vuelta would be fantastic in every sense, but first to get trough this completely. He's still in the crisis time frame, and a change in surrounding, daily routines etc., can reflect on recovery... In both ways.
I'm sure the professionals in the team are aware of every aspect of this textbook situation.

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23 Jul 2017 22:17

I put an each way bet on him at 40-1, seemed too good to turn down. What I should have done was look at the route first. When was the last time the vuelta had a time trial over 40km? It's like they want Froome to win.
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23 Jul 2017 22:19

Strawberry_Jams wrote:I put an each way bet on him at 40-1, seemed too good to turn down. What I should have done was look at the route first. When was the last time the vuelta had a time trial over 40km? It's like they want Froome to win.

2016.
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23 Jul 2017 22:19

Jesus, are we so far gone that 40 km of ITT registers as "a lot"?
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23 Jul 2017 22:22

Strawberry_Jams wrote:I put an each way bet on him at 40-1, seemed too good to turn down. What I should have done was look at the route first. When was the last time the vuelta had a time trial over 40km? It's like they want Froome to win.

The 47km Salamanca TT in 2011. But it's not like the TT length for the one long ITT is uncharacteristic though, it was 37km last year, 39km in 2015, 37km in 2014, 39km in 2013, and 39km in 2012. This year's TTT is significantly shorter than 2013 and 2016, longer than 2015 but on a par with 2012 and 2014 roughly. Although 2014 had that additional epilogue TT on the final day in Santiago de Compostela.

If they "wanted Froome to win" they'd probably have two decent length TTs, like they did in the days when guys like Ángel Casero and THE AITORMINATOR© were winning the race. If he came around now José María Jiménez would be a favourite every year.
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23 Jul 2017 22:24

hrotha wrote:Jesus, are we so far gone that 40 km of ITT registers as "a lot"?


And there's only 17 uphill finishes this year! How are climbers supposed to compete?
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23 Jul 2017 22:27

hrotha wrote:Jesus, are we so far gone that 40 km of ITT registers as "a lot"?

Contador said that as well after the route was announced.. Given just out many opportunities climbers (and opportunists) have to make a difference on this route, 42 km of time trial seems more than fair. Given that they are completely flat Chaves would probably lose 3-4 minutes on Froome under normal circumstances.
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