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15 May 2018 21:48

Valv.Piti wrote:Rettenbach is a lot different than Zonc as well. Well, Zonc is just different to any climb, but I'd definitely say that a climb like Rettenbach suits Pinot a lot more than Zonc.


Note to self: Rettenbach and Reichenbach is not the same!
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15 May 2018 21:57

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Valv.Piti wrote:45 min FTP on your TT-bike, are you out of your mind? Thats basically 15 less than what you would do in a full blown hour record assault :D Thats some real manly **** if he does that the day before the actual ITT as that stage actually requires right around 45 min FTP.

Rettenbach is a lot different than Zonc as well. Well, Zonc is just different to any climb, but I'd definitely say that a climb like Rettenbach suits Pinot a lot more than Zonc.

Good day for Pinot, he needs the contenders to eliminate themselves and stay his consistent self, then he'll probably win.

Yeah, I messed that one up, it should probably be 45min at lower intensity.

On the other hand, Pinot has had some problems after the rest day....
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15 May 2018 22:28

Valv.Piti wrote:45 min FTP on your TT-bike, are you out of your mind? Thats basically 15 less than what you would do in a full blown hour record assault :D Thats some real manly **** if he does that the day before the actual ITT as that stage actually requires right around 45 min FTP.

Rettenbach is a lot different than Zonc as well. Well, Zonc is just different to any climb, but I'd definitely say that a climb like Rettenbach suits Pinot a lot more than Zonc.

Good day for Pinot, he needs the contenders to eliminate themselves and stay his consistent self, then he'll probably win.

Meh ;) .

Unbeknownst to you Valv.Piti, with your "meh winner" post, you unleashed the biblical dimension of this Giro that began in the Holy Land. The deliverer shall salvage us from the bounds of misery, end the French Drought. The 10 plagues of Egypt began, one per day, after you made your statement...

Rest Day: water mixed with blood...we all know what it means, we just can't talk about it here. Today: the frog is invading the podium...the 10th plague is the demise of the first born. The question is: who was first, Simon, or Adam? Those who claim that Adam was the first man ever (and met Eve) are wrong. Fake news...

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15 May 2018 22:30

Mayomaniac wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:45 min FTP on your TT-bike, are you out of your mind? Thats basically 15 less than what you would do in a full blown hour record assault :D Thats some real manly **** if he does that the day before the actual ITT as that stage actually requires right around 45 min FTP.

Rettenbach is a lot different than Zonc as well. Well, Zonc is just different to any climb, but I'd definitely say that a climb like Rettenbach suits Pinot a lot more than Zonc.

Good day for Pinot, he needs the contenders to eliminate themselves and stay his consistent self, then he'll probably win.

Yeah, I messed that one up, it should probably be 45min at lower intensity.

Guessing 80% with maybe a few intervals at threshold or whatever
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

15 May 2018 23:30

On a more reasonable note, I had Dumoulin as my prediction 2018, with Thibaut second. At this juncture, that's how it looks to me. Yates? The joker...Aru? Done. Froome? Medium done...the rest? I don't worry. A Ninja attack to squeeze a podium is always possible though. And I hope it's not at TP's expense.

What I always worry about with Tibopino is the first 10 stages or so. Week 3, if he makes it that far and it has been an issue, he's always strong.

What's left? Plenty. Key stages?

Zonc will shape the GC, and in high altitude it gets a little colder, that's when Tibopino soars. He will top-3 that stage and I hope much better. I don't expect many contenders to show their cards "so early" in the race, therefore I don't expect Dumoulin to lose a bunch. The next day could be trickier...

The ITT is an obvious one, after a rest day :eek: , but you'd think that professionals would have learned and figured it out. Today makes me feel better (after a rest-day), although it wasn't a monster stage. But look at Chaves today. Dumourain to crush it, Pinot will fare well.

The Finestre stage and the Cervinia, back-to-back, are opportunities to destroy TD. Destroy everyone, or destroy one-self. This is where politics can kill the fun, too many guys having too much to lose, or it can be the greatest show on Earth. Good finishes for Pinot. But will he go for the win? Will he be the only one (except for Pozzovino who attacks everyone and may attack himself)?

Thibaut Pinot on the podium, one stage, I feel good about that prediction. Can he win it all? Maybe not. But maybe. He's come way too far, all the trolls, the doubters. And he's a good guy. So Vai Thibaut, Vai.
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

16 May 2018 08:32

Tonton wrote:On a more reasonable note, I had Dumoulin as my prediction 2018, with Thibaut second. At this juncture, that's how it looks to me. Yates? The joker...Aru? Done. Froome? Medium done...the rest? I don't worry. A Ninja attack to squeeze a podium is always possible though. And I hope it's not at TP's expense.

What I always worry about with Tibopino is the first 10 stages or so. Week 3, if he makes it that far and it has been an issue, he's always strong.

What's left? Plenty. Key stages?

Zonc will shape the GC, and in high altitude it gets a little colder, that's when Tibopino soars. He will top-3 that stage and I hope much better. I don't expect many contenders to show their cards "so early" in the race, therefore I don't expect Dumoulin to lose a bunch. The next day could be trickier...

The ITT is an obvious one, after a rest day :eek: , but you'd think that professionals would have learned and figured it out. Today makes me feel better (after a rest-day), although it wasn't a monster stage. But look at Chaves today. Dumourain to crush it, Pinot will fare well.

The Finestre stage and the Cervinia, back-to-back, are opportunities to destroy TD. Destroy everyone, or destroy one-self. This is where politics can kill the fun, too many guys having too much to lose, or it can be the greatest show on Earth. Good finishes for Pinot. But will he go for the win? Will he be the only one (except for Pozzovino who attacks everyone and may attack himself)?

Thibaut Pinot on the podium, one stage, I feel good about that prediction. Can he win it all? Maybe not. But maybe. He's come way too far, all the trolls, the doubters. And he's a good guy. So Vai Thibaut, Vai.


Yes he can! And after Chaves eliminated, I think he will.

But then again I thought Chaves is going to win the whole thing :o
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16 May 2018 08:48

If Pinot has a bad day we'll know whose fault it is.

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16 May 2018 15:04

Not the best legs today, but he limited the damage well enough. Now the next time we'll be able to judge his form will be on Zoncolan...
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16 May 2018 15:07

He has never been the strongest thus far. Barely able to respond to the attacks and limit his losses.
I want to see something different on the Zoncolan, otherwise winning the Giro will be impossible.
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16 May 2018 15:11

Hopefully the high mountains will show that Thibaut can realistically challenge for maglia rosa.

Podium is still good.
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16 May 2018 15:11

SafeBet wrote:He has never been the strongest thus far. Barely able to respond to the attacks and limit his losses.
I want to see something different on the Zoncolan, otherwise winning the Giro will be impossible.

Only Yates is definitely stronger at this point. I'd say he is at least level with all other contenders, so it's not too bad. But yes, he has to take some time at some point.
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16 May 2018 15:13

LaFlorecita wrote:
SafeBet wrote:He has never been the strongest thus far. Barely able to respond to the attacks and limit his losses.
I want to see something different on the Zoncolan, otherwise winning the Giro will be impossible.

Only Yates is definitely stronger at this point. I'd say he is at least level with all other contenders, so it's not too bad. But yes, he has to take some time at some point.

At least on Dumoulin. Considering the TT is after a rest day, he could lose more than 2 minutes.
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16 May 2018 22:21

RedheadDane wrote:If Pinot has a bad day we'll know whose fault it is.

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I thought Moscon was not riding Il Giro... ;)
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16 May 2018 22:29

LaFlorecita wrote:
SafeBet wrote:He has never been the strongest thus far. Barely able to respond to the attacks and limit his losses.
I want to see something different on the Zoncolan, otherwise winning the Giro will be impossible.

Only Yates is definitely stronger at this point. I'd say he is at least level with all other contenders, so it's not too bad. But yes, he has to take some time at some point.

All true.

Good news: Froome is getting away from the picture, and even on a so-so day, st as Pozzo, takes time on the 5th, that finish was nothing like I expected BTW. No bad day is key. He had two last year, stages 10 and 16...so far so good. Fingers crossed.
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17 May 2018 00:08

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LaFlorecita wrote:
SafeBet wrote:He has never been the strongest thus far. Barely able to respond to the attacks and limit his losses.
I want to see something different on the Zoncolan, otherwise winning the Giro will be impossible.

Only Yates is definitely stronger at this point. I'd say he is at least level with all other contenders, so it's not too bad. But yes, he has to take some time at some point.

All true.

Good news: Froome is getting away from the picture, and even on a so-so day, st as Pozzo, takes time on the 5th, that finish was nothing like I expected BTW. No bad day is key. He had two last year, stages 10 and 16...so far so good. Fingers crossed.


Not having a bad day seems to be the biggest key here. So far he's been as strong if not stronger than most of the contenders. He should be better in the high mountains than Dumoulin or Yates and he's the pure climber, while Dumouin is still a time trialist and Yates is more of a puncheur.
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

17 May 2018 02:58

Pinot has looked strong, so far. He's not a puncheur like a Yates, but he has the grit and talent to do well on the long, high climbs coming up. He has time-trialed reasonably well, too. His podium chances look really strong. I think he still has a longshot chance to win the whole thing, though Yates looks to be in the form of his life and Big Tom is building mojo. Still, there are 10 stages to go. It's way too early to pick a winner. Ask Crush-Weak about that from 2016. :)
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17 May 2018 08:10

RedheadDane wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:Rettenbach is a lot different than Zonc as well. Well, Zonc is just different to any climb, but I'd definitely say that a climb like Rettenbach suits Pinot a lot more than Zonc.


Note to self: Rettenbach and Reichenbach is not the same!
Rettenbach is a climb
Reichenbach is a man.
Reichenbach might be a vital help for Pinot on the Zonc...


Reichenbach is also a series of waterfalls where Holmes and Moriarty fought a died.
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17 May 2018 08:21

Tonton wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
SafeBet wrote:He has never been the strongest thus far. Barely able to respond to the attacks and limit his losses.
I want to see something different on the Zoncolan, otherwise winning the Giro will be impossible.

Only Yates is definitely stronger at this point. I'd say he is at least level with all other contenders, so it's not too bad. But yes, he has to take some time at some point.

All true.

Good news: Froome is getting away from the picture, and even on a so-so day, st as Pozzo, takes time on the 5th, that finish was nothing like I expected BTW. No bad day is key. He had two last year, stages 10 and 16...so far so good. Fingers crossed.


Exactly. Yates will have one, I'm pretty sure. Dumoulin also, mountains this year are way too hard for him to avoid bad day(s). For Tibo, the key is consistency, he will not need to have stratospheric performances like Yates these days, or Dumoulin in TT's. He just needs to be among the best on all key mountain stages, and I think the win will came along.
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

17 May 2018 22:19

In New York City, Reichenbach Hall ;) . A great place for a beer, or two, or more... :)
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

19 May 2018 15:22

Not good enough...he lacks the last 2-3% compared to GT-winners.
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