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02 Jan 2018 18:48

Sending Pinot to these 2 races is a big mistake IMHO. Not sure what the objective is. Just pick one and focus on that one.
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02 Jan 2018 18:58

Tonton wrote:In l'Equipe, Marc Madiot makes the Giro possible but not sure. We don't know. Like everybody else, it's a Froome watch stance. Dawg was weak last year but doubled. He still scares DS, or rather Sky does. Froome gone considering what is happening and we are in '87 or '88, even '89 (who knew that GL would resurrect?), or '08, '11...a Tour up for grabs. A unique opportunity.

Thibaut can beat Dumoulin in this 8 MTF Giro. Dumoulin should be ambitious and go for the Tour. Portugal11 should stop betting with me. :p . That's all we know.

What I read about build up is showing Tibopino doubling. I hope that he does, goes for the Giro GC, does a Majka in the Tour. Rainbow jersey. Alexandre changes avatar... :)

Froome watch. See Aru. Plans will change as things evolve. Le Tour is the big prize, they all know it. For us, maybe the Giro or Vuelta are more entertaining, but the best wins the Tour.

If Madiot targerts the Tour, no Demare.

Madiot said that the Tour will be the main highlight of Pinot's season, so he's not going here to do a Majka.
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02 Jan 2018 18:58

Tonton wrote:
drebelo wrote:
monsieur_hulot wrote:At this stage very hard to know what Froome's race programme will end up being next year! It might still be possible that he skips the Giro (due to a ban or sitting out while fighting his case) but is back for the Tour.

Either way I think Thibot is generally better suited to the Giro than the Tour, and it's healthy for French cycling in general that not all efforts are focused solely on July.


I tottaly agree with you, and with the team size reduction, sending both demare and pinot to the tour would be a tremendous error. And at this point of Pinot's carrer I highly doubt he can make a tour podium again, even more if he doesn't have a full dedicated team to support him.

I soooo disagree. If Bardet can do it, Pinot can do it. Behind Froome and Dumoulin (his Giro win was very impressive), it's wide open between Quintana (can he bounce back?), Nibali, Uran, Landa, Chaves, and the two Frenchies. Porte if he can finish a GT. I don't put Wilco, Zakarin in that group, but they are close. Valverde...

I agree with the team composition: you can't get it both ways. It's either Demare or Pinot. In the end, Thibaut's contract ends in '18, so politics are big: please him with Il Giro, please the sponsor with Le Tour. If they agree, fine, but recovery will be a big issue. And as a fan, it hurts to see such a great rider at 70%, struggling in climbs alongside the likes of Arashiro...

Why is that? Bardet seems much stronger than Pinot these days. The fact is, Pinot hasn't podiumed a GT since 2014 whereas Bardet was 2nd and 3rd in the Tour the last two years.
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

03 Jan 2018 00:39

BS if you ask me. Pinot was seconds away from a podium, Bardet one second away from losing his, that's about the same. With the amount of ITT in the Giro, Bardet would have been 5th or 6th at best.

Regardless, I like Bardet too, but besides Froome and Dumoulin, possibly Quintana and Nibali, I take PInot over the rest. The double is a bad idea, Madiot says one thing then another, we'll see. One year ago, you were all burying Tibopino. Read this thread. His Giro was great, the days after rest day weren't, it cost him the podium and maybe more.

Same time next year (and probably every year after that with portugal11 :) ), we'll circle back. I'm confident.
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

03 Jan 2018 00:44

...and for Zakarin, they both raced the Giro, right ;) .

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03 Jan 2018 03:13

Escarabajo wrote:Sending Pinot to these 2 races is a big mistake IMHO. Not sure what the objective is. Just pick one and focus on that one.


I think he could do well in either race but I agree, only one of them. If Nibali and Quintana turn up to the Tour in the same form as the Giro then Pinot is in race with the doubts about Froome, the usual doubts about Porte and the other riders like Uran, Bardet etc being pretty close. I really thought Pinot blew his chances in the Giro with his TT riding. I was surprised it wasn't better. Looking at the TTs for both races maybe the Tour is a better race for him. He won't lose much in the TTT, as for the cobbles and first week, you need an element of luck to get through that anyway. If anyone is going to have trouble in the first week it would probably be Porte and Quintana but hopefully not. I prefer to see a shoot out in the final week. Too often the GTs are weakened by some of the best riders crashing out or having health issues but that's grand tour racing of course.
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03 Jan 2018 15:18

Hope Thibo wins something major next year, he really needs a boost
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

03 Jan 2018 17:51

Tonton wrote:BS if you ask me. Pinot was seconds away from a podium, Bardet one second away from losing his, that's about the same. With the amount of ITT

Same time next year (and probably every year after that with portugal11 :) ), we'll circle back. I'm confident.

maybe more :surprised: so you think he could have won :surprised:
this mod is going crazy :D he doesn't have a chance against tom and aru. he should focus on classics and polka dot jersey :p
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03 Jan 2018 19:30

Pinot has podiumed the Tour, was 4th at the Giro and nearly won the Tour de Suisse! Where does this nonsense of him being behind Porte come from? We're talking about real big gc races here. Not about P-N. Pinot is miles ahead of Porte who lost the Dauphine against Jakob Fuglsang.
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03 Jan 2018 19:50

staubsauger wrote:Pinot has podiumed the Tour, was 4th at the Giro and nearly won the Tour de Suisse! Where does this nonsense of him being behind Porte come from? We're talking about real big gc races here. Not about P-N. Pinot is miles ahead of Porte who lost the Dauphine against Jakob Fuglsang.


Sorry, but: lol.

What on earth elevates a near TdS win above victories in Romandie, Paris-Nice and Catalunya combined with quite obviously being the best one week stage racer for the last couple of years?
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03 Jan 2018 20:59

Well, Pinot may target top 5 in Giro or top 10 in TdF. Nothing more.
He has no chances in competition with CF, TD, NQ, Landa, almost retired VN. Even if they target double (and Pinot not), he will be weaker in both races against them.
The same with Porte, who must finally break his GT curse.
But we also have Aru, Fuglsang, Lopez, Zakarin, Majka, Uran, Bardet, Kelderman, Poels, Kwiatkowski, Martin, GT, both Yates, even Valverde. That's Pinot's level of competition - half of them he may defeat, but will be beaten by the rest.
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03 Jan 2018 21:04

Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:Well, Pinot may target top 5 in Giro or top 10 in TdF. Nothing more.
He has no chances in competition with CF, TD, NQ, Landa, almost retired VN. Even if they target double (and Pinot not), he will be weaker in both races against them.
The same with Porte, who must finally break his GT curse.
But we also have Aru, Fuglsang, Lopez, Zakarin, Majka, Uran, Bardet, Kelderman, Poels, Kwiatkowski, Martin, GT, both Yates, even Valverde. That's Pinot's level of competition - half of them he may defeat, but will be beaten by the rest.

Landa in that company is quite laughable.

Pinot was only 37 seconds behind Nibali and 46 seconds behind Quintana in Italy, he has definitely his chances against them.
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03 Jan 2018 21:12

He was gifted more than a minute on the way to Ortisei because he wasn't a threat.
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03 Jan 2018 22:22

staubsauger wrote:Pinot has podiumed the Tour, was 4th at the Giro and nearly won the Tour de Suisse! Where does this nonsense of him being behind Porte come from? We're talking about real big gc races here. Not about P-N. Pinot is miles ahead of Porte who lost the Dauphine against Jakob Fuglsang.

By that logic Rui Costa is the biggest GT rider ever born
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03 Jan 2018 23:32

staubsauger wrote:Pinot has podiumed the Tour, was 4th at the Giro and nearly won the Tour de Suisse! Where does this nonsense of him being behind Porte come from? We're talking about real big gc races here. Not about P-N. Pinot is miles ahead of Porte who lost the Dauphine against Jakob Fuglsang.


2016 Tour Riche Porte 5th. Pinot 16th. Fuglsang also beat someone called Chris Froome in the Dauphine. When Pinot finished third in the 2014 Tour a certain Peraud finished second ..........to say Pinot is miles ahead of Porte is a bit silly but I do agree that at least Pinot has a podium courtesy of Contador and Froome crashing out of course but that's cycling. Ability wise I don't think he is better than Porte, Porte just has a case of the Gesinks.......what can go wrong will go wrong.
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03 Jan 2018 23:44

Netserk wrote:He was gifted more than a minute on the way to Ortisei because he wasn't a threat.


This...some people have selective memories. He had two mediocre time trials and overall didn`t gain any time in the mountains. It was only close because the top 3 had some tactical games to play and never saw a threat in Pinot. His stage win wasn`t as impressive as well. Winning a sprint against Nibali, NQ, Zakarin and Pozzovivo isn`t the same as beating them uphill.
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04 Jan 2018 02:55

Netserk wrote:He was gifted more than a minute on the way to Ortisei because he wasn't a threat.

...it made up for the time lost on Umbrail, which was a fluke. He was a threat. Too bad his ITT regressed, or he was second. Week 3 he was the arguably the strongest.

He's not the Black Album. Rubber Soul I said, maybe the White Album actually ;) . 2017 is a big year for Il Grandissimo. I won the '17 predictions :cool: , mark my words: a podium...5 big wins. For some, it's a career.
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04 Jan 2018 10:48

Tonton wrote:
Netserk wrote:He was gifted more than a minute on the way to Ortisei because he wasn't a threat.

...it made up for the time lost on Umbrail, which was a fluke. He was a threat. Too bad his ITT regressed, or he was second. Week 3 he was the arguably the strongest.

He's not the Black Album. Rubber Soul I said, maybe the White Album actually ;) . 2017 is a big year for Il Grandissimo. I won the '17 predictions :cool: , mark my words: a podium...5 big wins. For some, it's a career.

you said pinot would have made podium in the giro... so you were wrong.
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04 Jan 2018 13:24

Zakarin made up time to Pinot in the 3rd week so I guess he was even stronger.
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04 Jan 2018 13:25

Breh wrote:Zakarin made up time to Pinot in the 3rd week so I guess he was even stronger.

I see you forgot to dismiss all of Pinot's bad days. Not a fair comparison then.
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