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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

14 Oct 2018 22:47

What a great way to end the season for Monsieur Pinot -- his greatest showing in a major classics race and a deserving conclusion to this most challenging season. How he finished his last stage at the Giro is beyond me, considering his body was torn with pneumonia. No one should doubt his courage. I can see him winning a grand tour if he is able to come into it at top form and if he has no crashes or illness -- not saying he will, but that he has a shot (with some good fortune); certainly a podium is within reach, as he has already proved.
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15 Oct 2018 02:41

Leinster wrote:Is he certain to do the Tour next year? It seems to me with no Dumoulin or Froome at the Giro, his strongest opponent there, if he were to go, would be whichever Yates brother shows up. Or maybe Nibali, to whom he’s just shown a clear back tire. Depending on the parcours, it could be his best ever chance to actually win a GT, and bridgYe a gap all the way back to Fignon.

Also as others have said, I’d love to see him try the Ardennes.

Yeah, returning to the Tour could be a big mistake for him, this fall was possible only thanks to the blessing in disguise of being forced to miss the Tour. But until he stays with Madiot I think is impossible for him to exclude the Tour from his schedule and he'll always have a lot of pressure in France.
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15 Oct 2018 02:57

Though I've warmed to him a bit, I've never really been a Pinot fan but he's been in monster form and earned that victory, so kudos to him.
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15 Oct 2018 06:34

He is just so likeable. Seems like a very humble, kind person, has a great attacking style and the fact that he isn't an invincible robot and sometimes struggles and suffers mental or physical breakdowns makes it even easier to cheer for his success.
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15 Oct 2018 12:25

Not sure he can win a GT but we have had Thomas and S. Yates win this year so why not? Which one suits him best do you think? I'm inclined to think Vuelta, Giro and Tour, in that order.
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15 Oct 2018 12:59

dastott wrote:Not sure he can win a GT but we have had Thomas and S. Yates win this year so why not? Which one suits him best do you think? I'm inclined to think Vuelta, Giro and Tour, in that order.


Giro, no question. Unless the Tour route spends like 3 days in Italy somehow.
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15 Oct 2018 14:31

Expect Pinot to ride the TDF in 2019 - Whether that is stage hunting or GC is yet to be decided - Also gives Demare a chance to go back to the Giro.
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15 Oct 2018 16:41

yaco wrote:Expect Pinot to ride the TDF in 2019 - Whether that is stage hunting or GC is yet to be decided - Also gives Demare a chance to go back to the Giro.


Demare has stage wins in his last 2 Tours and would be a decent shot at the green jersey, versus his 2 DNFs at the Giro. Pinot historically performs better in Italy and would have a better shot at the Giro GC, than no chance at the Tour. If Pinot wasn’t French, there’d be no question of sending him to Le Tour.
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15 Oct 2018 17:34

Leinster wrote:
yaco wrote:Expect Pinot to ride the TDF in 2019 - Whether that is stage hunting or GC is yet to be decided - Also gives Demare a chance to go back to the Giro.


Demare has stage wins in his last 2 Tours and would be a decent shot at the green jersey, versus his 2 DNFs at the Giro. Pinot historically performs better in Italy and would have a better shot at the Giro GC, than no chance at the Tour. If Pinot wasn’t French, there’d be no question of sending him to Le Tour.


Traditionally FDJ has split their two marquee riders between the Giro and the TDF - This is something AGR2 should do if they ever consider finding a top class sprinter.
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15 Oct 2018 18:10

yaco wrote:
Leinster wrote:
yaco wrote:Expect Pinot to ride the TDF in 2019 - Whether that is stage hunting or GC is yet to be decided - Also gives Demare a chance to go back to the Giro.


Demare has stage wins in his last 2 Tours and would be a decent shot at the green jersey, versus his 2 DNFs at the Giro. Pinot historically performs better in Italy and would have a better shot at the Giro GC, than no chance at the Tour. If Pinot wasn’t French, there’d be no question of sending him to Le Tour.


Traditionally FDJ has split their two marquee riders between the Giro and the TDF - This is something AGR2 should do if they ever consider finding a top class sprinter.

I’m sure Lavenu will get back to you on that one...
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15 Oct 2018 21:41

Leinster wrote:
dastott wrote:Not sure he can win a GT but we have had Thomas and S. Yates win this year so why not? Which one suits him best do you think? I'm inclined to think Vuelta, Giro and Tour, in that order.


Giro, no question. Unless the Tour route spends like 3 days in Italy somehow.


Giro and Vuelta double would be cool programme but it's unlikely he'll be able to skip the Tour. It's a shame because he might be able to win either the Giro (has come quite close, loves Italy but will ship time in the Giro's longer TTs) or the Vuelta (goes well on steep climbs, has good form in the 2nd half of season).
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

16 Oct 2018 00:30

This win resounded big in France, judging by the articles, the comments, front page plus five pages in l'Equipe. Beyond reasonable, but considering how the French cycling fans have been starved, understandable.

There's no escaping Le Tour at this point, and ASO has already planted the PDBF seed. Last time, clueless as their designers are, they forgot the real lead out by Chevreres...let's see the route.

There's a way to make it an every other year plan. '20 Giro-Vuelta-RRWC would be great after a '19 TdF commitment. And in this case, I hope we see a AGR, FW, LBL block this coming spring. Saturday's Thibaut would be one of the LBL favorites IMO.
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16 Oct 2018 03:49

I'm not sure if I'm committed on him going to the Tour for GC as I don't think he can place higher than top 5 if everything goes right for him and nothing happens to the stronger riders.

If he can find a second peak he could repeat his last months this year into next year with hopefully the same results if he does the Tour.

I just feel there will be to much pressure on him, especially if Bardet performs underpar.
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

16 Oct 2018 06:41

Tonton wrote:This win resounded big in France, judging by the articles, the comments, front page plus five pages in l'Equipe. Beyond reasonable, but considering how the French cycling fans have been starved, understandable.

There's no escaping Le Tour at this point, and ASO has already planted the PDBF seed. Last time, clueless as their designers are, they forgot the real lead out by Chevreres...let's see the route.

There's a way to make it an every other year plan. '20 Giro-Vuelta-RRWC would be great after a '19 TdF commitment. And in this case, I hope we see a AGR, FW, LBL block this coming spring. Saturday's Thibaut would be one of the LBL favorites IMO.

That's very bad for him, his problem with the Tour has always been the high pressure on him in his home race that has lead to the failures after his surprise podium in 2014, if French medias are adding another extra weight of pressure on him ahead of next year Tour is the perfect recipe for another failure.
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Re: Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

16 Oct 2018 07:21

Nirvana wrote:
Tonton wrote:This win resounded big in France, judging by the articles, the comments, front page plus five pages in l'Equipe. Beyond reasonable, but considering how the French cycling fans have been starved, understandable.

There's no escaping Le Tour at this point, and ASO has already planted the PDBF seed. Last time, clueless as their designers are, they forgot the real lead out by Chevreres...let's see the route.

There's a way to make it an every other year plan. '20 Giro-Vuelta-RRWC would be great after a '19 TdF commitment. And in this case, I hope we see a AGR, FW, LBL block this coming spring. Saturday's Thibaut would be one of the LBL favorites IMO.

That's very bad for him, his problem with the Tour has always been the high pressure on him in his home race that has lead to the failures after his surprise podium in 2014, if French medias are adding another extra weight of pressure on him ahead of next year Tour is the perfect recipe for another failure.

I don't think that's too bad.

At this point, we wish him to enjoy a successful Tour, not winning the damn thing.
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16 Oct 2018 08:27

If no Giro I'd like stagehunting Tour and Vuelta for GC.

I hope the French coach realises Pinot and Bardet are the best bets for both the ORR and WCRR in 2020.
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16 Oct 2018 10:05

The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.
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16 Oct 2018 10:24

Nirvana wrote:The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.


Alaphilippe will get murdered on the main Tokyo climb. He won't be within a minute of the best on the top of that climb
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16 Oct 2018 13:45

Red Rick wrote:
Nirvana wrote:The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.


Alaphilippe will get murdered on the main Tokyo climb. He won't be within a minute of the best on the top of that climb

The Fuji is circa 100 kms to go, no one will burn the limited domestiques there to eliminate him, someone will try to go for sure but the peloton will go at low pace.
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16 Oct 2018 14:18

Nirvana wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
Nirvana wrote:The Olympics are better for Alaphilippe, the last climb is 30 kms away from the finish and before there are almost 50 kms of flat, it's even easier than Innsbruck. The real hard race will be the WC if rumors are real.
The only "problem" could be the five man teams that in Rio i think were the real factor that lead to an uncontrolled race for the standards we are used to.


Alaphilippe will get murdered on the main Tokyo climb. He won't be within a minute of the best on the top of that climb

The Fuji is circa 100 kms to go, no one will burn the limited domestiques there to eliminate him, someone will try to go for sure but the peloton will go at low pace.


Im talking about Mikuni pass
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