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23 Mar 2016 18:34

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
PremierAndrew wrote:Stop hyping him up so much. Allow the kid to develop without placing too much pressure on him


That is not possible. A rider cannot be this good this young and avoid large amounts of hype and pressure. Hype and pressure are an automatic consequence.

But you can just look at the result and say that his 10th place was okay instead of hyping every single result of him no matter if it was really that great or just good.
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23 Mar 2016 18:39

Yes you can avoid hyping his 10th places, but it's not as if someone hyping his 10th place on an English language internet forum is really putting very much extra pressure on him!
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23 Mar 2016 19:01

He has everything a sprinter needs but experience, which will come, I think he will still be more of a stage race sprinter than a classics man, though me is likely to win sprinters classics like MSR, Ghent-Wevelegem etc. but probably not this year
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23 Mar 2016 20:04

Zinoviev Letter wrote:Yes you can avoid hyping his 10th places, but it's not as if someone hyping his 10th place on an English language internet forum is really putting very much extra pressure on him!


Haha true, but I think its fair to say that many of us find it extremely annoying when people are incredible subjective. I like Gaviria super much, same with Contador, but people on CN sometimes make it hard for cheer for someone...
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28 Apr 2016 18:30

Etixx stated on their homepage that "Fernando Gaviria will skip the May races which he was slated to start – Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn-Frankfurt, Quatre Jours de Dunkerque and the Tour of California – because of a right hand index finger fracture he suffered on Saturday, in Colombia." :(
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28 Apr 2016 18:32

Akuryo wrote:Etixx stated on their homepage that "Fernando Gaviria will skip the May races which he was slated to start – Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn-Frankfurt, Quatre Jours de Dunkerque and the Tour of California – because of a right hand index finger fracture he suffered on Saturday, in Colombia." :(

He fell off a ladder in his home. :o
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14 Jun 2016 22:29

What a classact he is. Already the second time this season that he lets his leadout man take the stage win. Makes me like him even more.
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15 Jun 2016 06:18

Akuryo wrote:What a classact he is. Already the second time this season that he lets his leadout man take the stage win. Makes me like him even more.

Well, I don't remember him being that happy when Martinelli won in La Provence. :p

It was a dangerous finish too.
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15 Jun 2016 07:22

Akuryo wrote:What a classact he is. Already the second time this season that he lets his leadout man take the stage win. Makes me like him even more.


Not really. It was impossible to overtake Richeze so we don't know if he'd let him win otherwise.
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15 Jun 2016 08:12

@Alexandre what do you mean? He clearly let Martinelli win who was riding for him, why would he let him win if he would not be happy with it?

@Flamin Overtaking was hard, but not impossible I think but he surely did not try to overtake him.
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15 Jun 2016 08:20

gaviria definitely could've overtaken him. he was immediately in his wheel. he definitely let him win just like he did with martinelli. gaviria, despite being 21 is already a leader in his behaviour
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15 Jun 2016 08:43

Right, Gaviria wasn't even in the wheel when he decided to sit up with 50m to go..

Surely he would have tried harder and not sat up if it wasn't a team mate in front, but to say he let him win is pure nonsense.
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15 Jun 2016 11:22

Flamin wrote:Right, Gaviria wasn't even in the wheel when he decided to sit up with 50m to go..

Surely he would have tried harder and not sat up if it wasn't a team mate in front, but to say he let him win is pure nonsense.

Saying Gaviria let him win is the most accurate assessment. Richeze's job is to be the leadout man. Once he sees that Gaviria is sprinting he is to move aside after having done a good job, but fortunately for him Gaviria never sprinted. If Gaviria had sprinted and Richeze hadn't let him through, then that would've been a mistake on his part.
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15 Jun 2016 11:58

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Flamin wrote:Right, Gaviria wasn't even in the wheel when he decided to sit up with 50m to go..

Surely he would have tried harder and not sat up if it wasn't a team mate in front, but to say he let him win is pure nonsense.

Saying Gaviria let him win is the most accurate assessment. Richeze's job is to be the leadout man. Once he sees that Gaviria is sprinting he is to move aside after having done a good job, but fortunately for him Gaviria never sprinted. If Gaviria had sprinted and Richeze hadn't let him through, then that would've been a mistake on his part.


It's a silly assessment. Richeze was clearly going very strong (also look at Sagan barely coming an inch closer) and Gaviria was still quite a long way off with only 50m to go.

What's most accurate is that Gaviria didn't want to screw over a team mate by trying to pip him onto the finish line, which is what it would've been if he had actually been able to beat him (and which would've been a ****move obviously). But by no means did he 'let' him win, that's something totally different, so it's kind of ridiculous to give him credit for not being a major ****.
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15 Jun 2016 12:15

I guess if Gaviria wanted to win he would have overtaken Richeze before last corner. It was obviously team plan to go 1-2 into the corner as then it is impossible to lose. So maybe Richeze's win was even planned.
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15 Jun 2016 15:27

Flamin wrote:
SergeDeM wrote:
Flamin wrote:Right, Gaviria wasn't even in the wheel when he decided to sit up with 50m to go..

Surely he would have tried harder and not sat up if it wasn't a team mate in front, but to say he let him win is pure nonsense.

Saying Gaviria let him win is the most accurate assessment. Richeze's job is to be the leadout man. Once he sees that Gaviria is sprinting he is to move aside after having done a good job, but fortunately for him Gaviria never sprinted. If Gaviria had sprinted and Richeze hadn't let him through, then that would've been a mistake on his part.


It's a silly assessment. Richeze was clearly going very strong (also look at Sagan barely coming an inch closer) and Gaviria was still quite a long way off with only 50m to go.

What's most accurate is that Gaviria didn't want to screw over a team mate by trying to pip him onto the finish line, which is what it would've been if he had actually been able to beat him (and which would've been a ****move obviously). But by no means did he 'let' him win, that's something totally different, so it's kind of ridiculous to give him credit for not being a major ****.

The point here is that you think it would've been OK for Richeze to keep sprinting against Gaviria if he'd tried to pass through, and I don't. If Gaviria sprints then Richeze slows down, and since their jobs are to make Gaviria win, then it's silly to think pipping him on to the finish would be a **** move. It would be mission accomplished.
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15 Jun 2016 15:42

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Flamin wrote:
SergeDeM wrote:
Flamin wrote:Right, Gaviria wasn't even in the wheel when he decided to sit up with 50m to go..

Surely he would have tried harder and not sat up if it wasn't a team mate in front, but to say he let him win is pure nonsense.

Saying Gaviria let him win is the most accurate assessment. Richeze's job is to be the leadout man. Once he sees that Gaviria is sprinting he is to move aside after having done a good job, but fortunately for him Gaviria never sprinted. If Gaviria had sprinted and Richeze hadn't let him through, then that would've been a mistake on his part.


It's a silly assessment. Richeze was clearly going very strong (also look at Sagan barely coming an inch closer) and Gaviria was still quite a long way off with only 50m to go.

What's most accurate is that Gaviria didn't want to screw over a team mate by trying to pip him onto the finish line, which is what it would've been if he had actually been able to beat him (and which would've been a ****move obviously). But by no means did he 'let' him win, that's something totally different, so it's kind of ridiculous to give him credit for not being a major ****.

The point here is that you think it would've been OK for Richeze to keep sprinting against Gaviria if he'd tried to pass through, and I don't. If Gaviria sprints then Richeze slows down, and since their jobs are to make Gaviria win, then it's silly to think pipping him on to the finish would be a **** move. It would be mission accomplished.


It sure is OK. The parcours lend itself to something like this. No need for Richeze to sit up when in a winning position. You can't just stop, give Sagan a chance to pass Gaviria and reduce the chance of a victory for the team.
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15 Jun 2016 15:52

But Gaviria still came in second even after celebrating before the line, so it's not like he had no chance. My whole point is not that he would've won, it's that by not contesting it, he let his teammate win. Maybe that doesn't make any sense for you, but it does to me. Cool that it worked out anyway.
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15 Jun 2016 16:11

SergeDeM wrote:
Flamin wrote:
SergeDeM wrote:
Flamin wrote:Right, Gaviria wasn't even in the wheel when he decided to sit up with 50m to go..

Surely he would have tried harder and not sat up if it wasn't a team mate in front, but to say he let him win is pure nonsense.

Saying Gaviria let him win is the most accurate assessment. Richeze's job is to be the leadout man. Once he sees that Gaviria is sprinting he is to move aside after having done a good job, but fortunately for him Gaviria never sprinted. If Gaviria had sprinted and Richeze hadn't let him through, then that would've been a mistake on his part.


It's a silly assessment. Richeze was clearly going very strong (also look at Sagan barely coming an inch closer) and Gaviria was still quite a long way off with only 50m to go.

What's most accurate is that Gaviria didn't want to screw over a team mate by trying to pip him onto the finish line, which is what it would've been if he had actually been able to beat him (and which would've been a ****move obviously). But by no means did he 'let' him win, that's something totally different, so it's kind of ridiculous to give him credit for not being a major ****.

The point here is that you think it would've been OK for Richeze to keep sprinting against Gaviria if he'd tried to pass through, and I don't. If Gaviria sprints then Richeze slows down, and since their jobs are to make Gaviria win, then it's silly to think pipping him on to the finish would be a **** move. It would be mission accomplished.


That's not really the point i was trying to make though. But on such a finish, it's actually smart to continue sprinting, since whoever (with a good kick) came out of that bend first, had a decent chance of winning.
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16 Jun 2016 10:30

Great talent and a interesting rider to follow regarding his development, he could become a great.
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