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12 May 2017 07:34

movingtarget wrote:The best is yet to come for Ewan. He is still coming to grips with the chaos of grand tour sprints. In the smaller stage races the sprints are much cleaner and the gaps open up and the competition is not as high. I think Ewan has the ability but he's still learning and Orica are not the sprint team they were. Matthews is no longer there and Gerrans is near the end of his career and with three good young potential GT riders the pendulum has now swung over to the GT side. Sprints and stage wins are not the priority they were before when they didn't have a GT rider who could podium or even make the top 10. Albasini is the type of rider who doesn't need a sprint train and is not a flat sprinter anyway and he is also getting towards the end of his career. Not only is there a generational change happening at Orica but their style of racing is also getting reshaped. They are becoming more like a traditional team instead of a classics, stage win team like a Quickstep.


Think you summed it up fairly well. ORS's focus for GTs & most Euro stage races has changed and a sprint train just isn't compatable. Not saying that fast guys CAN'T be part of these line-ups but they're most likely going to be classics based riders who have some utility to the main GC focus and aren't requiring their own specific support riders. Going forward, Cort & potentially Edmondson could fill that role whereas Ewan will be an increasingly less comfortable fit

Wouldn't say that ORS is necessarily steering away from classics; if anything they are now seeing some of the riders they have brought through/developed starting to take over from the old hands and become contenders in their own right.
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 14:32

perico wrote:Beginning to look like the days of Cavendish vs Tyler Farrar.

I don't know if Caleb will do as good as Tyler Farrar did(does?) ;)
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12 May 2017 15:39

Well, it's 6:1 now ...
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12 May 2017 15:40

Akuryo wrote:Well, it's 6:1 now ...

6-2
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 15:41

I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan have become really annoying.
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 15:42

Gigs_98 wrote:I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan has become really annoying.

Exactly this. I like both guys.
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 15:43

Gigs_98 wrote:I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan has become really annoying.


Yeah... why do you have to be a fan of one guy, and hate the other?
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 15:48

Gigs_98 wrote:I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan have become really annoying.

Isnt it mainly dirkprovin doing that?
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 15:48

Gigs_98 wrote:I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan has become really annoying.


I would say this, it was a reversal of the last stage in some ways. Gaviria was clearly stronger than Ewan.
His mistake was to go behind Greipel who didn't have it and had a bad line. Ewan wasn't the strongest, but had the smartest race.

So, to summarize, the smartest always wins:
Stage 2:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Greipel
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 5:
Strongest: Greipel
Smartest: Gaviria
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 7:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Ewan
Weakest: Greipel
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12 May 2017 15:52

jaylew wrote:
Akuryo wrote:Well, it's 6:1 now ...

6-2


That one was a U23 race, I count only pro wins, but okay.
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12 May 2017 15:57

jaylew wrote:
Akuryo wrote:Well, it's 6:1 now ...

6-2

6-1. 1st win.
Here is Ewan's reaction (I guess he reads this thread! LOL):

#Giro100: "I was disappointed in the first stages, but I finally beat Gaviria." @CalebEwan after his stage 7 victory
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 15:58

gospina wrote:
Gigs_98 wrote:I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan has become really annoying.


I would say this, it was a reversal of the last stage in some ways. Gaviria was clearly stronger than Ewan.
His mistake was to go behind Greipel who didn't have it and had a bad line. Ewan wasn't the strongest, but had the smartest race.

So, to summarize, the smartest always wins:
Stage 2:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Greipel
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 5:
Strongest: Greipel
Smartest: Gaviria
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 7:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Ewan
Weakest: Greipel

Stage 2: Are you 100% sure you watched that stage? :lol:

Stage 5: Ewan didn't even contest the sprint. It's okay to criticize him for that but if you do you also have to count Gaviria as the weakest for stage 1.

Stage 7: Ewan was in the wind for 300 meters or so, ofc Gaviria was faster on the last meters, that doesn't mean he was generally stronger than him.
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12 May 2017 15:59

Its a funny rivalry which hopefully will continue for 10 years or so. Very different riders.
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 15:59

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Gigs_98 wrote:I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan has become really annoying.


I would say this, it was a reversal of the last stage in some ways. Gaviria was clearly stronger than Ewan.
His mistake was to go behind Greipel who didn't have it and had a bad line. Ewan wasn't the strongest, but had the smartest race.

So, to summarize, the smartest always wins:
Stage 2:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Greipel
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 5:
Strongest: Greipel
Smartest: Gaviria
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 7:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Ewan
Weakest: Greipel


Ewan was the strongest on stage 1. Also, your stage 2 assessment is off. Ewan coming out of the pedal doesn't mean he was weakest.
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12 May 2017 15:59

It was a good lead out by Mezgec, though he nearly lost it on the second last corner - Doubt there is much difference in top end speed between Gaviria and Ewan - Reckon Bennett and Groenewegen aren't far behind - Think its exciting we have four up and coming sprinters in the peleton.

Interesting that after the stage Ewan stated 'I finally beat Gaviria' - More battles on their way.
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 16:01

Gigs_98 wrote:
gospina wrote:
Gigs_98 wrote:I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan has become really annoying.


I would say this, it was a reversal of the last stage in some ways. Gaviria was clearly stronger than Ewan.
His mistake was to go behind Greipel who didn't have it and had a bad line. Ewan wasn't the strongest, but had the smartest race.

So, to summarize, the smartest always wins:
Stage 2:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Greipel
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 5:
Strongest: Greipel
Smartest: Gaviria
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 7:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Ewan
Weakest: Greipel

Stage 2: Are you 100% sure you watched that stage? :lol:

Stage 5: Ewan didn't even contest the sprint. It's okay to criticize him for that but if you do you also have to count Gaviria as the weakest for stage 1.

Stage 7: Ewan was in the wind for 300 meters or so, ofc Gaviria was faster on the last meters, that doesn't mean he was generally stronger than him.


You have a point but it made better story the way I said it hehe.

Here is more quotes. From Gaviria:

"Perder frente a un gran rival, no decepciona tanto".

Gaviria.
(Losing to such a great rival does not disappoint me so much)

#Giro100 #SeHablaCiclismo

And From Greipel:

Andre Greipel‏ @AndreGreipel 7m7 minutes ago
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Thanks @UCI_cycling commissaries for taking care about riders safety with a final like that-NOT...congrats @CalebEwan-fastest won.
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Re: The Caleb Ewan vs. Fernando Gaviria Thread

12 May 2017 16:13

jaylew wrote:
gospina wrote:
Gigs_98 wrote:I'm incredibly happy that Ewan won today. Not because I like him so much more than Gaviria but because Gaviria fans bashing Ewan has become really annoying.


I would say this, it was a reversal of the last stage in some ways. Gaviria was clearly stronger than Ewan.
His mistake was to go behind Greipel who didn't have it and had a bad line. Ewan wasn't the strongest, but had the smartest race.

So, to summarize, the smartest always wins:
Stage 2:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Greipel
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 5:
Strongest: Greipel
Smartest: Gaviria
Weakest: Ewan

Stage 7:
Strongest: Gaviria
Smartest: Ewan
Weakest: Greipel


Ewan was the strongest on stage 1. Also, your stage 2 assessment is off. Ewan coming out of the pedal doesn't mean he was weakest.


Agreed, I was incorrect in my assessment. Since you brought it up, who did Ewan bump into, messing up his sprint rhythm in the process? Gaviria. Conspiration fodder :)
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12 May 2017 16:42

So after Gaviria made some kamikaze moves in the sprint and came like a rocket, he says he didn't have the legs today. Lol, how would it look like if he had those.
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12 May 2017 17:11

Vroome.exe wrote:So after Gaviria made some kamikaze moves in the sprint and came like a rocket, he says he didn't have the legs today. Lol, how would it look like if he had those.


That's just an excuse. :)
He had the legs. Obviously there's more than just strong legs in a sprint.
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12 May 2017 17:25

Jspear wrote:
Vroome.exe wrote:So after Gaviria made some kamikaze moves in the sprint and came like a rocket, he says he didn't have the legs today. Lol, how would it look like if he had those.


That's just an excuse. :)
He had the legs. Obviously there's more than just strong legs in a sprint.


I wouldn't call it excuse, he said that Ewan was the strongest and deserved to win. I like how they all show big respect between each other.
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