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27 Apr 2018 18:31

If he keeps dominating 1-week stage races perhaps we should rename the thread as 'the new Richie Porte'
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27 Apr 2018 19:06

Cance > TheRest wrote:His best display of climbing was undoubtedly the stage he won in TDF last year. Of course, if he can be on that level day in and day out in a grand tour, I'd say he has what it takes. But given that today was a relatively short MTT, I don't think it proves anything further about him than what we already knew beforehand.


10km isn't that short and at 8% average gradient it was a kind of stage where only strong climbers could excel. It's no coincidence Bernal and Porte were in a league of their own (with Primoz). You can clearly see the difference between a phenomenal time trialist who defends himself well on the climbs (Dennis, who btw targets GC in the Giro, I don't think he'll succeed but that's another matter) and Roglic. The difference was 1:22...that's a lot and I think Dennis did pretty well actually.

Tomorrow will be another important day of confirmation of his climbing abilities. Three 1st cat. and two 2nd cat. climbs with two of the best climbers in the World just seconds behind him in the GC. If he survives the day in yellow, well...I don't need any more proof for the year thank you.
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27 Apr 2018 19:46

johnymax wrote:
Cance > TheRest wrote:His best display of climbing was undoubtedly the stage he won in TDF last year. Of course, if he can be on that level day in and day out in a grand tour, I'd say he has what it takes. But given that today was a relatively short MTT, I don't think it proves anything further about him than what we already knew beforehand.


10km isn't that short and at 8% average gradient it was a kind of stage where only strong climbers could excel. It's no coincidence Bernal and Porte were in a league of their own (with Primoz). You can clearly see the difference between a phenomenal time trialist who defends himself well on the climbs (Dennis, who btw targets GC in the Giro, I don't think he'll succeed but that's another matter) and Roglic. The difference was 1:22...that's a lot and I think Dennis did pretty well actually.

Tomorrow will be another important day of confirmation of his climbing abilities. Three 1st cat. and two 2nd cat. climbs with two of the best climbers in the World just seconds behind him in the GC. If he survives the day in yellow, well...I don't need any more proof for the year thank you.


Actually, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't keep yellow. The last climb is very far from the finish and Bernal is going feel today's effort most likely.
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27 Apr 2018 19:53

AlexNYC wrote:
johnymax wrote:
Cance > TheRest wrote:His best display of climbing was undoubtedly the stage he won in TDF last year. Of course, if he can be on that level day in and day out in a grand tour, I'd say he has what it takes. But given that today was a relatively short MTT, I don't think it proves anything further about him than what we already knew beforehand.


10km isn't that short and at 8% average gradient it was a kind of stage where only strong climbers could excel. It's no coincidence Bernal and Porte were in a league of their own (with Primoz). You can clearly see the difference between a phenomenal time trialist who defends himself well on the climbs (Dennis, who btw targets GC in the Giro, I don't think he'll succeed but that's another matter) and Roglic. The difference was 1:22...that's a lot and I think Dennis did pretty well actually.

Tomorrow will be another important day of confirmation of his climbing abilities. Three 1st cat. and two 2nd cat. climbs with two of the best climbers in the World just seconds behind him in the GC. If he survives the day in yellow, well...I don't need any more proof for the year thank you.


Actually, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't keep yellow. The last climb is very far from the finish and Bernal is going feel today's effort most likely.

Roglic will feel it too.

But the descent and flat after should really help Roglic, as well as the fact that the final climb isn't that steep and the fact that Roglic should have Kruijswijk on the final climb
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27 Apr 2018 21:25

Question is if its and advantage to have Kruijswijk on the downhill. Too soon? :D

Expecting a fast and furious stage tomorrow and I expect Roglic to defend himself. Would be amazing with yet another 1 week stage win.
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28 Apr 2018 15:48

What a boss! The strongest today.
Riposa in pace, Michele!
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28 Apr 2018 15:55

Amazing how he repelled all those Bernal accelerations. And he was never panicking in the final downhill / flat part. Mentally tough as nails as well.
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28 Apr 2018 15:55

Taking the RaboFail out of LottoNL?
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28 Apr 2018 15:56

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Amazing how he repelled all those Bernal accelerations. And he was never panicking in the final downhill / flat part. Mentally tough as nails as well.

Why would he be panicking?

He's not flying 10m above ground at 110kph for 200m
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28 Apr 2018 15:57

Red Rick wrote:Taking the RaboFail out of LottoNL?

I think they have not been 'RaboFail' for a while now. For one, they have much smaller budget, for two, they have clearly specialised in a few departments. Sprints, time trials and small stage races. And that brings me to 3, they have done that really well with Groenewegen, almost anyone that can time trial and Roglic.

You can hardly blame them for not showing up at some races (classics especially), as they have simply made a hard choice not to.
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28 Apr 2018 15:57

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Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Amazing how he repelled all those Bernal accelerations. And he was never panicking in the final downhill / flat part. Mentally tough as nails as well.

Why would he be panicking?

He's not flying 10m above ground at 110kph for 200m


:lol: yeah that was a walk in the park for him compared to those days.
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28 Apr 2018 15:59

Red Rick wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Amazing how he repelled all those Bernal accelerations. And he was never panicking in the final downhill / flat part. Mentally tough as nails as well.

Why would he be panicking?

He's not flying 10m above ground at 110kph for 200m

It's more being the isolated GC leader in a group with the nr 2,3 and 5 there (and fuglsang but he was never a danger)
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28 Apr 2018 16:10

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:I think they have not been 'RaboFail' for a while now.

Once RaboFail, always RaboFail. They can try to run away from their nature, but their nature will catch up to them.
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28 Apr 2018 16:13

I think he did OK-ish today on the final climb :)

Rode like a boss today. Always in control, easily (I'm sure it was far from easy but he never looked like suffering) followed Bernal's attacks, great tactical decisions and on top of that wins the sprint for second. Another fantastic performance.
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28 Apr 2018 16:18

Roglic has impressed me much more than Bernal, If I was one of the so-called "bigs" I would be vary worried about these 2 (Rogla and Bernal)
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28 Apr 2018 16:45

One of the best cyclists in the world already imo, he really needs to target the Ardennes classics next year. What is he riding to prepare for the Tour? Tour of Slovenia? Tour de Suisse or Dauphiné might be a bit too much if he still wants to be fresh in the Tour.
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28 Apr 2018 16:54

I think the idea was to go for stage wins in the TDF.

Roglic and Lotto decided this year was going to be for 1 week stage races. Next year a leadership in a GT. They are taking it slow.
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28 Apr 2018 17:02

He is doing Slovenia before the Tour. The route has been revealed two weeks ago. The race will consist od five stages (one more than in previous years). A sprint stage to begin with, a hilly stage 2, two mountin stages, one with a hill-top finish and the other with a downhill finish. And then a TT of about 20 kilometers to finish it off. I think Roglič should easily win the race, especially with a flat TT on the last day. And the winner of (possibly) three stage races before the Tour doesn't just intentionally lose time there... I hope... If he is out of it by the end of week one (with cobbles, TTT and potential crashes), then by all means, lose some more time and go for stage wins. But if he somehow comes out of the first nine days somewhat close to the top, then anything could happen (if he holds or even improves the shape he is in now).
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28 Apr 2018 17:13

:surprised: Wow, what a beast!!! My expectations with him were very high, but he has managed to overcome them by quite a margin.
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28 Apr 2018 17:27

bajbar wrote:He is doing Slovenia before the Tour. The route has been revealed two weeks ago. The race will consist od five stages (one more than in previous years). A sprint stage to begin with, a hilly stage 2, two mountin stages, one with a hill-top finish and the other with a downhill finish. And then a TT of about 20 kilometers to finish it off. I think Roglič should easily win the race, especially with a flat TT on the last day. And the winner of (possibly) three stage races before the Tour doesn't just intentionally lose time there... I hope... If he is out of it by the end of week one (with cobbles, TTT and potential crashes), then by all means, lose some more time and go for stage wins. But if he somehow comes out of the first nine days somewhat close to the top, then anything could happen (if he holds or even improves the shape he is in now).

My thought exactly, but he doesn't need to spent too much energy keeping at the front all the time. They don't exactly have the personnel to protect him with Steven, Gesink, Groenewegen and his sprint train....
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