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Tracking the French drought

14 Apr 2016 19:56

The aim of this thread is to provide a documentary reference of top races and their last French winner:

Tour Down Under: Gilles Maignan (2000)
Paris-Nice: Laurent Jalabert (1997)
Tirreno-Adriatico: NEVER
Milan-San Remo: Arnaud Démare (2016)
E3 Harelbeke: NEVER
Volta a Catalunya: Laurent Jalabert (1995)
Gent-Wevelgem: Philippe Gaumont (1997)
Ronde van Vlaanderen: Jacky Durand (1992)
Tour of the Basque Country: Laurent Jalabert (1999)
Paris-Roubaix: Frédéric Guesdon (1997)
Amstel Gold Race: Bernard Hinault (1981)
La Flèche Wallonne: Laurent Jalabert (1997)
Liège-Bastogne-Liège: Bernard Hinault (1980)
Tour de Romandie: Laurent Jalabert (1999)
Giro d'Italia: Laurent Fignon (1989)
Critérium du Dauphiné: Christophe Moreau (2007)
Tour de Suisse: Christophe Agnolutto (1997)
Tour de France: Bernard Hinault (1985)
Clásica de San Sebastián: Tony Gallopin (2013)
Vattenfall Cyclassics: Arnaud Démare (2012)
Tour de Pologne: Laurent Brochard (2002)
Eneco Tour: NEVER
GP Ouest-France: Sylvain Chavanel (2014)
Vuelta a España: Laurent Jalabert (1995)
GP de Québec: Thomas Voeckler (2010)
GP de Montréal: NEVER
World Individual Time Trial Championship: Laurent Jalabert (1997)
World Team Time Trial Championship: NEVER IN THE TRADE TEAM FORMAT
World Road Race Championship: Laurent Brochard (1997)
Giro di Lombardia: Laurent Jalabert (1997)
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14 Apr 2016 19:57

Do you reckon Vuillermoz can end the 50-year French drought in the Amstel Gold Race?
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14 Apr 2016 20:05

Why isn't the WCRR or WCITT in there?
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14 Apr 2016 20:12

CheckMyPecs wrote:Do you reckon Vuillermoz can end the 50-year French drought in the Amstel Gold Race?

I see him more as a FW rider, but it would be awesome.
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14 Apr 2016 20:15

Red Rick wrote:Why isn't the WCRR or WCITT in there?

I picked World Tour races, but sure, I'll throw them in with the lot.
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Re: Tracking the French drought

14 Apr 2016 21:00

CheckMyPecs wrote:Tour de Suisse: Gaspard Rinaldi (1935)


Christophe Agnolutto won the TdS in 1997
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14 Apr 2016 21:14

CheckMyPecs wrote:Do you reckon Vuillermoz can end the 50-year French drought in the Amstel Gold Race?


More likely Gallopin or Coquard...
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Re: Tracking the French drought

14 Apr 2016 22:44

ciranda wrote:
CheckMyPecs wrote:Tour de Suisse: Gaspard Rinaldi (1935)


Christophe Agnolutto won the TdS in 1997

True. The tortoise that hares never caught...

Between Demare, Nacer, Coquard and Gallopin, Alaphilippe, Vuillermoz, Bardet, French sprinters and punchers should update that list in the years to come. Pinot at the GDL also. Gougeard and Latour can break through as well. For the GTs, maybe '17 or '18. It depends on many factors that we can't discuss here. A lot of Jalabert on that list :rolleyes: .

French cycling is better than it has been in over 20 years.
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14 Apr 2016 23:10

I don't think the French are any closer to winning a Grand Tour when you see the opposition they have still. Yes there are some good riders like Pinot and Bardet but I see them as top five riders at best. The 2014 Tour was an anomaly for obvious reasons. For all of the hype around Rolland the hoped for results were never close to being realized. Part of the problem is that many of them are mediocre TT riders and while their climbing can be good they are not near the level of Froome, Contador or Nibali and Quintana who can also time trial well. Of course the pressures on them are probably similar to the pressure that was on VDB as a Belgian hopeful in GTs but his best years are behind him now as they are for Rolland. We have been hearing for years about young French riders who will succeed one day and maybe Pinot and Bardet are their best hopes for many years depending on how much they can improve.
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14 Apr 2016 23:11

TMP402 wrote:
CheckMyPecs wrote:Do you reckon Vuillermoz can end the 50-year French drought in the Amstel Gold Race?


More likely Gallopin or Coquard...


Alaphilippe?
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Re: Tracking the French drought

15 Apr 2016 08:46

ciranda wrote:
CheckMyPecs wrote:Tour de Suisse: Gaspard Rinaldi (1935)


Christophe Agnolutto won the TdS in 1997


My bad. Corrected.
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15 Apr 2016 20:35

"GP Ouest-France: Laurent Brochard (2002)"
???

Sylvain Chavanel (2014), Voeckler (2007), Fedrigo (2008), Flickinger (2003), Rous (2004) ...
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15 Apr 2016 21:16

movingtarget wrote:I don't think the French are any closer to winning a Grand Tour when you see the opposition they have still. Yes there are some good riders like Pinot and Bardet but I see them as top five riders at best.


This kind of statement forgets that the field in Grand Tours can be very uneven. 2014 Tour wasn't really that much of an anomaly if you look at the three GTs rather than just the TdF. Neither Pinot nor Bardet can win the Tour de France without showing a big improvement in level. But if you can podium or top 5 a weak edition of the Tour, you can win a weak Vuelta or even Giro. Pinot and Bardet have more GT pedigree than a Hesjedal, Cobo or Horner.

The fact that they are French makes that harder, of course, because they are likely to target the Giro or Vuelta in the first place.
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Re: Tracking the French drought

15 Apr 2016 21:30

Tonton wrote:
ciranda wrote:
CheckMyPecs wrote:Tour de Suisse: Gaspard Rinaldi (1935)


Christophe Agnolutto won the TdS in 1997

True. The tortoise that hares never caught...

Between Demare, Nacer, Coquard and Gallopin, Alaphilippe, Vuillermoz, Bardet, French sprinters and punchers should update that list in the years to come. Pinot at the GDL also. Gougeard and Latour can break through as well. For the GTs, maybe '17 or '18. It depends on many factors that we can't discuss here. A lot of Jalabert on that list :rolleyes: .

French cycling is better than it has been in over 20 years.


You say you can't discuss it here, but I'm afraid you don't want to see reality. a bit naive for a good member of this forum.
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15 Apr 2016 22:19

data should always be visualised

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16 Apr 2016 08:01

swissfr wrote:"GP Ouest-France: Laurent Brochard (2002)"
???

Sylvain Chavanel (2014), Voeckler (2007), Fedrigo (2008), Flickinger (2003), Rous (2004) ...
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Argh, I did put Sylvain Chavanel (2014), but in the wrong place (Eneco Tour, which was actually won by Wellens that year). Thanks. Corrected.
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16 Apr 2016 08:15

Breh wrote:
TMP402 wrote:
CheckMyPecs wrote:Do you reckon Vuillermoz can end the 50-year French drought in the Amstel Gold Race?


More likely Gallopin or Coquard...


Alaphilippe?


Alaphilippe would probably be a better bet for Fleche Walonne, but not sure about this year, Etixx's main man will be probably Dan Martin..
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16 Apr 2016 08:45

SeriousSam wrote:data should always be visualised

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16 Apr 2016 13:25

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
movingtarget wrote:I don't think the French are any closer to winning a Grand Tour when you see the opposition they have still. Yes there are some good riders like Pinot and Bardet but I see them as top five riders at best.


This kind of statement forgets that the field in Grand Tours can be very uneven. 2014 Tour wasn't really that much of an anomaly if you look at the three GTs rather than just the TdF. Neither Pinot nor Bardet can win the Tour de France without showing a big improvement in level. But if you can podium or top 5 a weak edition of the Tour, you can win a weak Vuelta or even Giro. Pinot and Bardet have more GT pedigree than a Hesjedal, Cobo or Horner.

The fact that they are French makes that harder, of course, because they are likely to target the Giro or Vuelta in the first place.


Can't see it happening for them this year but when Contador has retired and Froome and others start to go backwards re a generational change it might be possible. You can never tell with young riders unless they find immediate success which is rare these days in GTs.
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16 Apr 2016 14:13

Lmao, that visualization is brilliant.
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