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17 Mar 2017 12:16

IndianCyclist wrote:If the French arrive at the Vuelta fresh, they definitely have a good chance to win whether the big four participate or not. Look at what Dumoulin did last year.
The french had great track cyclists but none of them are there in the road scene whereas Britain & Australia have managed to do so. The french are behind w.r.t methods as exemplified by Madiot and spoken by Rolland. Voeckler came closest to wining the tour and he was not a mountain climber of any note. There is talent but not properly trained or spotted or motivated. Maybe they should hire Sutton.


The trouble is they all ride the Tour so they won't be reaching the Vuelta fresh. Bardet was a good ride last year but never really threatened Froome unlike Quintana in 2015 who just isn't aggressive enough especially in the first half of the Tour.
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10 Sep 2017 20:30

What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.
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10 Sep 2017 20:42

Alexandre B. wrote:What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.



Wait for Lombardy I told you. :D
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10 Sep 2017 20:45

I'm depressed.

Australia wins big more often.
Netherlands win big more often.
Colombia wins big more often.
Even Denmark wins big more often.

I don't consider those countries superior to us. But they win big. We are not.
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10 Sep 2017 20:47

Poor thing. D'you want a handkerchief?
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10 Sep 2017 20:48

I think Colombia at this point is a better nation or at least just as good. And when in gods name does Denmark win big more often? :D
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10 Sep 2017 20:49

Alexandre B. wrote:What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.

Bala junior is the only one who can win big races in my opinion but unfortunately he has too many injuries and I really don't know why... maybe overtraining?
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10 Sep 2017 20:49

Echoes wrote:Poor thing. D'you want a handkerchief?

Go waste your time whining about Sagan 'cheating' in the wheels.
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10 Sep 2017 20:51

You've been wasting your time baiting me for the whole year, Frenchy!

While I'd never been looking for trouble...
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10 Sep 2017 20:59

Alexandre B. wrote:I'm depressed.

Australia wins big more often.
Netherlands win big more often.
Colombia wins big more often.
Even Denmark wins big more often.

I don't consider those countries superior to us. But they win big. We are not.


Since when? Denmark has, what? Three WT wins this year (Fuglsang's two stages and the overall at Dauphine), while France has... I don't even wanna start counting.
Dunno if you're going by some other criteria. Other Danish victories this year; Cort in Valencia and Almeria, Søren Kragh in Oman... can't think of others right now. Probably gonna get some next week, but Tour of Denmark isn't exactly a big race.
Buttom line: Denmark doesn't have more big victories than France.
Aka The Ginger One.
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10 Sep 2017 21:05

I'm talking about winning big races, not winning stages or minor races. :D

We're not even able to win a single WorldTour event, be it with teams or riders, and there are plenty nowadays.
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10 Sep 2017 21:11

I just figured GT stages are pretty big...
So, what you're saying is Denmark has more big races than France by having one big race?
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10 Sep 2017 21:14

RedheadDane wrote:I just figured GT stages are pretty big...
So, what you're saying is Denmark has more big races than France by having one big race?

I'd almost kill for a Dauphiné win :p
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10 Sep 2017 21:31

Christophe Moreau this living legend. :D
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11 Sep 2017 07:42

Alexandre B. wrote:I'm talking about winning big races, not winning stages or minor races. :D


Yes, when a race is not World Tour, it does not deserve any recognition... It can die. The big ones are made to eat the small ones.
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11 Sep 2017 08:18

Alexandre B. wrote:What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.

What a weird statement. I would call 2017 a good year for France. Bardet on the podium in Paris, Pinot confirmed as Grand Tour contender (only 1:17 behind the Giro winner), plenty of wins for Demare. Career best season for Barguil and breakthrough season for Calmejane, both winning stages at the Tour. With Gaudu you have one of the hottest prospects and a healthy Alaphilippe is a force to be reckoned with. Most other nations would be jealous.
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11 Sep 2017 15:41

I think the dauphiné win is worth much more than several GT stages.
In 3 years, there's only one french victory at world tour level (Demare at MSR last year). That's very poor.
Bardet and Pinot confirmed this year a very good level in GT, but I feel the podium is their limit. And 1-week race aren't good for them.
We're all waiting for Gaudu, but he curently is the only real prospect. He will have all the nation's hopes on his shoulders. Not the best situation for him to develop in a good environment.

Alaphilippe and Demare seem like the only options to win something big in the next years, I hope they will.
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11 Sep 2017 16:55

axl wrote:I think the dauphiné win is worth much more than several GT stages.
In 3 years, there's only one french victory at world tour level (Demare at MSR last year). That's very poor.
Bardet and Pinot confirmed this year a very good level in GT, but I feel the podium is their limit. And 1-week race aren't good for them.
We're all waiting for Gaudu, but he curently is the only real prospect. He will have all the nation's hopes on his shoulders. Not the best situation for him to develop in a good environment.

Alaphilippe and Demare seem like the only options to win something big in the next years, I hope they will.


Latour is also a great prospect.
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11 Sep 2017 17:02

fauniera wrote:
Alexandre B. wrote:What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.

What a weird statement. I would call 2017 a good year for France. Bardet on the podium in Paris, Pinot confirmed as Grand Tour contender (only 1:17 behind the Giro winner), plenty of wins for Demare. Career best season for Barguil and breakthrough season for Calmejane, both winning stages at the Tour. With Gaudu you have one of the hottest prospects and a healthy Alaphilippe is a force to be reckoned with. Most other nations would be jealous.


He's had 3 top tens in GT's already, including a 3rd in the Tour 4 years ago, and 4th in the Giro confirms him as a GT contender!?
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11 Sep 2017 18:22

For those who'd like to compare:

Tour Down Under: ///
Paris-Nice: Frank Vandenbroucke (1998)
Tirreno-Adriatico: Greg Van Avermaet (2016)
Milan-San Remo: Fons De Wolf (1981)
E3 Harelbeke: Greg Van Avermaet (2017)
Volta a Catalunya: Freddy Maertens (1977)
Gent-Wevelgem: Greg Van Avermaet (2017)
Ronde van Vlaanderen: Philippe Gilbert (2017)
Tour of the Basque Country: Maurice De Waele (1929)
Paris-Roubaix: Greg Van Avermaet (2017)
Amstel Gold Race: Philippe Gilbert (2017)
La Flèche Wallonne: Philippe Gilbert (2011)
Liège-Bastogne-Liège: Philippe Gilbert (2011)
Tour de Romandie: Claude Criquelion (1986)
Giro d'Italia: Johan De Muynck (1978)
Critérium du Dauphiné: Michel Pollentier (1978)
Tour de Suisse: Luc Roosen (1991)
Tour de France: Lucian Van Impe (1976)
Clásica de San Sebastián: Philippe Gilbert (2011)
Vattenfall Cyclassics: Johan Museeuw (2002)
Tour de Pologne: Dylan Teuns (2017)
Eneco Tour: Tim Wellens (2015)
GP Ouest-France: Oliver Naesen (2016)
Vuelta a España: Freddy Maertens (1977)
GP de Québec: Philippe Gilbert (2011)
GP de Montréal: Greg Van Avermaet (2016)
World Individual Time Trial Championship: ///
World Team Time Trial Championship: Etixx- Quick Step (2016)
World Road Race Championship: Philippe Gilbert (2011)
Giro di Lombardia: Philippe Gilbert (2010)
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