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11 Sep 2017 18:34

What are we comparing?
Aka The Ginger One.
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13 Sep 2017 00:19

RedheadDane wrote:What are we comparing?


Beligian victories with the French ones listed in the OP, it seems.
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13 Sep 2017 00:32

Chrispol wrote:
Alexandre B. wrote:What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.



Wait for Lombardy I told you. :D

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13 Sep 2017 09:59

Alexandre B. wrote:What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.


That was harsh... Sure no big win (monument or GT or prestigious WT stage race) this year, but the density at higher level of the french peloton was again visible this year, Démare or Alaphilippe on the classics, Pinot, Bardet and even Barguil in the mountains and stage races, Latour suffering in the mountains but showing strong TT capabilities for future stage results, Calméjane and others ready to keep the high level (Voeckler/Fedrigo/Casar) baroudeur tradition alive and very promising youngsters like Gaudu or Benjamin Thomas for example.

Sure that big result eluded us, but it is coming, maybe not a GT win yet, but just like the San Remo monument win by Démare, a stage race win will happen soon enough.

And more significantly the economics of the french peloton are quite good at the moment with a new Conti Pro team in Vital Concept, Fortuneo-Oscar growing with Barguil, and the free of access TV l'Equipe showing more than 120 days of racing on french TV and doing great scores allowing for more interest from investors for cycling.

Awful is way too extreme a word. After 2016, Démare's victory and Bardet's 2nd place at the Tour as well as the Dauphiné we could hope for more, but podium on MSR for Alaphilippe, podium for Bardet on the tour, 4th from Pinot on the Giro, stage wins and many top5/10s by french riders will have to do. No need to be depressed.
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13 Sep 2017 10:35

veji11 wrote:
Alexandre B. wrote:What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.


That was harsh... Sure no big win (monument or GT or prestigious WT stage race) this year, but the density at higher level of the french peloton was again visible this year, Démare or Alaphilippe on the classics, Pinot, Bardet and even Barguil in the mountains and stage races, Latour suffering in the mountains but showing strong TT capabilities for future stage results, Calméjane and others ready to keep the high level (Voeckler/Fedrigo/Casar) baroudeur tradition alive and very promising youngsters like Gaudu or Benjamin Thomas for example.

Sure that big result eluded us, but it is coming, maybe not a GT win yet, but just like the San Remo monument win by Démare, a stage race win will happen soon enough.

And more significantly the economics of the french peloton are quite good at the moment with a new Conti Pro team in Vital Concept, Fortuneo-Oscar growing with Barguil, and the free of access TV l'Equipe showing more than 120 days of racing on french TV and doing great scores allowing for more interest from investors for cycling.

Awful is way too extreme a word. After 2016, Démare's victory and Bardet's 2nd place at the Tour as well as the Dauphiné we could hope for more, but podium on MSR for Alaphilippe, podium for Bardet on the tour, 4th from Pinot on the Giro, stage wins and many top5/10s by french riders will have to do. No need to be depressed.


GiroBio this year is a great sign for the future as well, Pavel Sivakov is taking French nationality. Could Sky end France's wait for a GT winner?
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13 Sep 2017 10:45

veji11 wrote:
Alexandre B. wrote:What an awful year for us.

No victories of significance, only stage wins.


That was harsh... Sure no big win (monument or GT or prestigious WT stage race) this year, but the density at higher level of the french peloton was again visible this year, Démare or Alaphilippe on the classics, Pinot, Bardet and even Barguil in the mountains and stage races, Latour suffering in the mountains but showing strong TT capabilities for future stage results, Calméjane and others ready to keep the high level (Voeckler/Fedrigo/Casar) baroudeur tradition alive and very promising youngsters like Gaudu or Benjamin Thomas for example.

Awful is way too extreme a word. After 2016, Démare's victory and Bardet's 2nd place at the Tour as well as the Dauphiné we could hope for more, but podium on MSR for Alaphilippe, podium for Bardet on the tour, 4th from Pinot on the Giro, stage wins and many top5/10s by french riders will have to do. No need to be depressed.

"Awful" isn't the right term, but with the amount of talent we have today, I hope for more than stage wins (admittedly, the quality of those stage wins has risen).

Even when we were struggling to qualify a full-roster for the Worlds (and sometimes failing to do so), winning stages in the Tour wasn't a problem.

As a famous newly-retired rider said, second place is not good. :p
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13 Sep 2017 12:20

Surely Alaphilippe will catch a big one next year. He's had his share of bad luck and second places.
As for Grand Tours, GC still looks out of reach for the current frenchies but with a little luck you never know
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13 Sep 2017 12:21

France is currently 3rd in nations ranking in the pro tour behind Belgium and Italy, was first last year, the density at high level is sort of back to historical standards now, after the massive dip post festina. Big victories will come, don't worry. But we also have to realise that even coming back to our historical place means a lot less victories than in the pre-90s cycling world where only athletes from 5/6 historical cycling countries were competitive. In a more global sport it will never go back to the Hinault years.
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23 Sep 2017 00:41

Nobody celebrating Cosnefroy's win? :eek:
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23 Sep 2017 04:57

TMP402 wrote:Nobody celebrating Cosnefroy's win? :eek:

Winning medals in the younger categories is what we do best. :D
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24 Sep 2017 14:48

Not this year.
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24 Sep 2017 14:50

I believed it today though.
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24 Sep 2017 15:09

Alexandre B. wrote:Not this year.

There is still lombardia
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24 Sep 2017 15:14

Really thought that was it today .. :(
The broadcasting made it so much painful. The world champion was French in my head for some long minutes
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07 Oct 2017 14:49

Every major nation won a major race, be it a prestigious one-week race, a GT or a Classic this year.

Except one. :Neutral:
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07 Oct 2017 14:53

I believed.

Until 15k. :(
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17 Oct 2017 17:26

On behalf of not-France I want to make a formal request for France to breed a GC rider who excels at timetrialling, so that ASO will stop making these pathetic routes with only one medium length TT in order to get French riders on the podium.
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