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19 Apr 2016 13:22

A thread for discussing news about the Cannondale-Drapac Pro Cycling Team.

They've had a lacklustre start to the 2016 season, but Slagter (Tour du Haut Var) and Clarke (GP Industria & Artigianato di Larciano) picked up a couple of wins for the team.

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Re: Cannondale Pro Cycling

19 Apr 2016 13:42

They definetely have better start of the season this year than last year (last year was really disastrous), but they're still not where they used to be as a Garmin team and not where they should be considering the amount of talent in that team.

Woods, Bevin, Craddock and Van Baarle are bright points this year. Most of the rest has been kind of disappointment so far.

Giro has been pointed as the team's main goal for this year. We'll see if they match expectation. It seems they'll send a strong roster, but some of the riders need to show improvement over what they've shown so far this year.
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Re: Cannondale Pro Cycling

19 Apr 2016 13:44

Anderis wrote:They definetely have better start of the season this year than last year (last year was really disastrous), but they're still not where they used to be as a Garmin team and not where they should be considering the amount of talent in that team.

Has their budget been cut compared with Garmin?
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Re: Cannondale Pro Cycling

19 Apr 2016 14:15

CheckMyPecs wrote:Has their budget been cut compared with Garmin?

Garmin has never been a high budget team compared to other WT teams but I think I've read something about Vaughters complaining that his budget for 2016 is $2m (or €2m, can't recall) smaller than for 2015.

It's strange, because they've expanded their roster from 27 to 30 riders this year and they brought to the team more big names (Uran, Rolland, Breschel, Clarke) than they lost (Martin, Hesjedal).

I think Cannondale deal runs out after 2017. I'm curious if this will affect their transfer activity, because that would mean Vaughters probably couldn't offer deals beyond 2017, while most of the good riders as well as the most promising neo-pros will most likely demand 2 years deals.

Interesting to see if Talansky will get an extension. Unless he does something very good by the end of July, he will probably need to take a pay cut for his next deal, as the previous one was signed straight after his Dauphine win and with rumours about Team Sky interest around. He might look for a fresh start with a new team, since his last 2 seasons were way below expectations.
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19 Apr 2016 14:51

The lack of decent results sure will hardly persuade Cannondale to extend their contract.
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19 Apr 2016 16:10

Its too early for this discussion. Their goals are coming up with the Ardennes, the Giro, and the TdF.
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19 Apr 2016 16:29

jmdirt wrote:Its too early for this discussion. Their goals are coming up with the Ardennes, the Giro, and the TdF.


So eh, betting on Slagter for F-W and L-B-L? Still remember that day in the Tour (I think Gallopin won) where Garmin suddenly decided to start an all out chase on the break and Slagter wasn't among the 50 best that day. That was hilarious

They should be very good in the Giro and decent in the Tour depending on Tolansky, Rolland always performs well
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19 Apr 2016 16:39

Valv.Piti wrote:They should be very good in the Giro and decent in the Tour depending on Tolansky, Rolland always performs well

He could be an outsider for the podium if he doesn't lose time on purpose to go stage hunting.
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19 Apr 2016 16:46

Nice opening pictures but there's already an established thread for this team http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23020.
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19 Apr 2016 16:46

CheckMyPecs wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:They should be very good in the Giro and decent in the Tour depending on Tolansky, Rolland always performs well

He could be an outsider for the podium if he doesn't lose time on purpose to go stage hunting.

Rolland? He is a better bet than Talansky, thats for sure, but podium is stretching it. Top-5 if he is 2011-level at best. And I dont think he should give up on stages and Polkadots, he should do like Rasmussen did in 2005 and 2007 on stage 8, thats perfect to try to get a few minutes and a considerably lead in the polkas.
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19 Apr 2016 17:01

I think Wippert also performed decently so far.
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19 Apr 2016 17:11

PeterB wrote:Nice opening pictures but there's already an established thread for this team http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23020.

Well, that thread title is "Garmin cannondale" which doesn't really fit the current team name.

Valv.Piti wrote:So eh, betting on Slagter for F-W and L-B-L? Still remember that day in the Tour (I think Gallopin won) where Garmin suddenly decided to start an all out chase on the break and Slagter wasn't among the 50 best that day. That was hilarious

Yeah, that was an embarassing day during TdF (not only Slagter's performance, but for the fact the whole team went 100% on those hills and when the last guy finished his work, there were still like 100 guys in the peloton), but about Ardennes, Slagter was pretty good there in 2014, wasn't he? And in 2015 he finished top10 in Fleche despite being way off his best form. He is a decent bet maybe not for a win, but for a top5 somewhere, at least on paper, because I'm not convinced about his form this spring and it's rather worrying he was dropped so early at AGR.

GenericBoonenFan wrote:I think Wippert also performed decently so far.

He has not embarassed himself, but neither he hasn't exceeded expectations.
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19 Apr 2016 18:01

VanBaarle getting 6th at Flanders was a good result for a team that is a long way from the strength on the cobbles that they once had. In the sprints they've done about as expected, although they will be hoping Wippert brings in a few small wins. The problem has been the team on the terrain where they are supposed to be good, ie when it goes uphill.

That was a desperately bad AGR for a team that looks strong on paper, although FW should suit Slagter more.

I'd rate Uran about fourth or fifth favourite for the Giro, but I don't think a top 5 would be a good result given how much they have resting on his performance. The positive side is that the bigger favourites are all, for various reasons, people he might reasonably hope to beat if he's better than expected and they are worse. Nibali, Landa, Valverde are tough opponents, but not as obviously invincible to an Uran as say Froome, Contador, Quintana.
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19 Apr 2016 18:05

Anderis is quite right about Talansky. If he's planning on having a career as a GC leader at Cannondale or any other WT team, he needs to show something this year. You can have a bad year, but two in a row and it's 2014 rather than 2015 that starts looking like the blip.
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19 Apr 2016 18:41

Zinoviev Letter wrote:That was a desperately bad AGR for a team that looks strong on paper, although FW should suit Slagter more.

Well, as I said in other thread, their selection for AGR didn't look that strong on paper, eventhough it was expected more from Slagter and Clarke. Also FW and LBL rosters are far from the best with Uran and Moser being left home. And you could find a few more guys in the team who on their good form should be upgrade over Brown or King in this kind of terrain (like Villella).

Van Baarle has exceeded my expectations on cobbles this year. Not only finished 6th in Flanders, but showed himself nicely in E3 and Roubaix, where he finished inside top20 despite not being at the front of the race when some major splits appeared. Possibly he could have the legs for top10 in all 3 races.
The rest of the cobbled team was abysmal, though. Cannondale is not one of the strongest cobbled teams on paper, but also nowhere near as bad as they performed. Langeveld was a consistent top10 performer in cobbled monuments not so long ago (and not like he is an old rider), and they also have two top10 E3 finishers from last year in Breschel and Bauer. They justified themselves by ilnesses and stomach problems that hit them very badly, but still so many decent riders underperformed badly all throughout cobbled campaign.

I hope Uran is up to the task in Romandie and Giro. Last year he had 120 WT points collected already by this point of the year. This year he only has mere 4 points for 10th in Catalunya. He was supposed to be the most consistent point-scorer of the team.
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19 Apr 2016 18:52

Last year Urán also disappointed majorly in the Giro apart from the last week so he has probably looked to prepare better this time around, not necessarily hunting results early on. Might be a good strategy after all, Giro podium is realistic.
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19 Apr 2016 19:04

Yeah, Uran never had many great results before doing well at the Giro, so I'm not too worried.
It will be nice to see what Formolo will be able to do in his 2nd Giro.
I'm also hoping that Dombrowski will be able to do something, it's his 2nd GT and he said that the 2nd half of the Vuelta and the 3rd week was a lot easier for him than the first week (he was also pretty strong on the Andorra stage, he tried to go in the breakaway, crashed, had to chase back to the main group and finished with Quintana and Torres), so I want him to go full Sella in the high mountains. :cool:
Simon Clake could do well in the hilly stages, Cannondale could have a great team for the Giro.
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19 Apr 2016 20:11

PeterB wrote:Nice opening pictures but there's already an established thread for this team http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23020.

Some teams have at least two or three threads, top riders have three or four threads, and some races have several (P-R, Predicting P-R, Rating the Field at P-R, Rating P-R, Who will win P-R...). Why? 1) The search function is poor so you might not be able to find the thread you are looking for so you start a new one, 2) Some people like to separate things out more (in my mind everything about a race could be in one thread, in others minds different aspects deserve their own thread).

EDIT: Another thread was added about Valverde today, he might be up to five now.
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19 Apr 2016 21:29

Valv.Piti wrote:Rolland? He is a better bet than Talansky, thats for sure, but podium is stretching it. Top-5 if he is 2011-level at best. And I dont think he should give up on stages and Polkadots, he should do like Rasmussen did in 2005 and 2007 on stage 8, thats perfect to try to get a few minutes and a considerably lead in the polkas.

That's why I said outsider. E.g. if Landa blows up because of not enough training or if Nibali gets disqualified for an extra-sticky bottle again... :D
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19 Apr 2016 21:35

CheckMyPecs wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:Rolland? He is a better bet than Talansky, thats for sure, but podium is stretching it. Top-5 if he is 2011-level at best. And I dont think he should give up on stages and Polkadots, he should do like Rasmussen did in 2005 and 2007 on stage 8, thats perfect to try to get a few minutes and a considerably lead in the polkas.

That's why I said outsider. E.g. if Landa blows up because of not enough training or if Nibali gets disqualified for an extra-sticky bottle again... :D


Wait, I thought you were talking about Rolland, Urán can easily podium.
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