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25 Oct 2017 16:41

Who do they have that are good TT'ers for the TTT at the Tour?

Just curious!
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25 Oct 2017 17:26

Escarabajo wrote:Who do they have that are good TT'ers for the TTT at the Tour?

Just curious!


Phinney, even though he is miles away from the rider he used to be. They really lack TT specialists/rouleurs.
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25 Oct 2017 18:11

Escarabajo wrote:Who do they have that are good TT'ers for the TTT at the Tour?

Just curious!

They are going to lose a lot of time.

No extraordinary TT-ists in the roster, just some (and not many) solid ones like Phinney, Langeveld and Craddock (if he's back to any reasonable form). I wonder if they are going to reconsider their 2018 plans because of that and send Uran to the Giro instead.
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25 Oct 2017 18:12

Escarabajo wrote:Who do they have that are good TT'ers for the TTT at the Tour?

Just curious!


They are going to get crucified on that stage. They had no depth in TTs this year and will be even worse at it next year.
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25 Oct 2017 23:42

Thanks for the answers.

There goes the podium!!! :o
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26 Oct 2017 04:36

Garmin won the TTT in 2011. They finished 7th, at 0.17, in 2013. Then outside the top 10 at 1.29 in 2015. What's up with the steady decline?

The 2013 team had Millar, Hesjedal, Navardauskas, Rohan Dennis and Jack Bauer. Nobody like that in the current lineup.
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26 Oct 2017 06:55

It says a lot that there three best picks are Uran, Phinney and Vanmarcke.
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26 Oct 2017 09:17

Leinster wrote:Garmin won the TTT in 2011. They finished 7th, at 0.17, in 2013. Then outside the top 10 at 1.29 in 2015. What's up with the steady decline?

The 2013 team had Millar, Hesjedal, Navardauskas, Rohan Dennis and Jack Bauer. Nobody like that in the current lineup.

There was a switch of focus within the team around 2014. As the old core of the team with riders like Millar, Zabriskie, Vande Velde and Farrar declined, they've sacrificed their rolling-TT power in favor of climbing and hilly terrain. Back in the day they were really lacking climbing depth and often sending only 2-3 guys who were any use on a climb to any GT.
Also being gradually more and more outspent by other teams financially started to make it harder to keep up.

Btw. The kit for next year will be revealed next week.
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29 Oct 2017 06:32

I wonder why the team hasn't made an official announcement about Cardona and Martinez yet.
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30 Oct 2017 07:54

If Bevin, Mullen and Van Baarle were kept they'd have an ok squad (of course none of those guys add climbing wise so they'd have to find a balance somewhere).

I tried to make a team for both the Giro and TDF (assuming the Giro has no TTT it looked like this Uran, Dombrowski, Martinez, D.Moreno L.Craddock, S.Clarke, A.Howes and N.Brown) and then I was going to say Cannondale could have a relatively ok TTT squad for the TDF if they focused on stage wins (Woods, Vanmarcke, their two sprinters etc.) but then realised I forgot Rolland in both squads so that ruins that latter idea.
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30 Oct 2017 11:15

I also tried to play with the pontential rosters for Giro and Tour.

Assuming that Uran goes for the Tour:
Tour: Uran, Rolland, Clarke, Brown, Craddock, Vanmarcke, Phinney, Langeveld - that could allow to limit TTT loses quite well. Only Rolland is below average rider for stages like that. The rest is not great but solid. Also a very balanced team overall- great for the cobbled stage and not awful for mountains.

It's hard to do well in the Tour after the Giro so Rolland does TdF+Vuelta rather than Giro+TdF as Uran needs him in good shape in July.

Giro: Modolo, Breschel, Woods, Martinez, Carthy, Dombrowski, Howes + McLay or Van Asbroeck- I was thinking about even more support for Modolo but then I realised that it would have left too many pure climbers without doing a GT which is not what you want,

Chosing to ride the Giro with Uran complicates things because I don't think focusing on sprints during TdF can bring them much success agaisnt riders like Kittel, Gaviria, Groenewegen and Demare. That's almost like writing TdF off.

Giro: Uran, Woods, Breschel, Clarke, Carthy, Dombrowski, Howes, Martinez

TdF: Rolland, Brown/Craddock, Vanmarcke, Langeveld, Phinney, Modolo, McLay, Van Asbroeck/Docker - trying to win the cobbled stage should be a priority, then you just rely on Rolland's mountain breakaways and Modolo/McLay getting lucky in one of the sprints.

I don't include Dani Moreno because he hasn't been 100% confirmed, has he?
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30 Oct 2017 14:27

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01 Nov 2017 19:53

Haven't seen any news or announcements but Tom Scully is showing on PCS as retained on a one-year contract for 2018. Good to see, as he will continue to develop into a handy opportunist.
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06 Nov 2017 17:30

If they don't sign Dani Moreno, they really are idiots.
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06 Nov 2017 19:09

Are you even sure it's up to them to decide that?
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08 Nov 2017 21:14

So were Oath the major sponsor who backed out?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oath-backs-out-of-sponsorship-deal-with-slipstream-sports/

It seems like the logical conclusion to draw, unless JV dives headlong into another desperate last minute push to dig up a few mil to save the squad.
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09 Nov 2017 07:43

Leinster wrote:So were Oath the major sponsor who backed out?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oath-backs-out-of-sponsorship-deal-with-slipstream-sports/

It seems like the logical conclusion to draw, unless JV dives headlong into another desperate last minute push to dig up a few mil to save the squad.


were Oath a "direct cash sponsor" or just media services/exposure (worth XY amount of cash)?
What about the other "cash sponsors" who were lured because of Oath media potential services?
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09 Nov 2017 09:54

Leinster wrote:So were Oath the major sponsor who backed out?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oath-backs-out-of-sponsorship-deal-with-slipstream-sports/

It seems like the logical conclusion to draw, unless JV dives headlong into another desperate last minute push to dig up a few mil to save the squad.

No, Oath was not that sponsor. Oath was just supposed to be one of the secondary sponsors. I assume that lesser than Cannondale, Drapac and EF as they were not supposed to appear in the team's name.

I've read rumours that the company which backed out before EF arrived was a betting company.
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09 Nov 2017 12:12

Anderis wrote:
Leinster wrote:So were Oath the major sponsor who backed out?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oath-backs-out-of-sponsorship-deal-with-slipstream-sports/

It seems like the logical conclusion to draw, unless JV dives headlong into another desperate last minute push to dig up a few mil to save the squad.

No, Oath was not that sponsor. Oath was just supposed to be one of the secondary sponsors. I assume that lesser than Cannondale, Drapac and EF as they were not supposed to appear in the team's name.

I've read rumours that the company which backed out before EF arrived was a betting company.


Yup, Unibet
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