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01 Jul 2018 01:07

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Koronin wrote:He always says the right things. He also again says in that interview that his big goals are the the Vuelta and Worlds. It goes with things he's said before about the Tour not being one of his goals. However, just because of who he is he'll be a protected rider throughout the race. They won't expect him to do the job of a domestique. Also another interesting note, someone (on another discussion board) said that in an interview Alex Dowsett said that Alejandro doesn't have an ego. (Would love to find that interview from Alex).

Excellent excuse.


Don't you have some gloating and synchophanting to do in another thread?
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09 Jul 2018 20:32

Movistar was in a weird position today. I think that if you told them prior to the start they were going to lose 54 seconds to the winner, everyone would be happy and smiling. But now, knowing that the likes of Astana and Katusha did better, I'm somewhat disappointed.
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09 Jul 2018 20:36

DNP-Old wrote:Movistar was in a weird position today. I think that if you told them prior to the start they were going to lose 54 seconds to the winner, everyone would be happy and smiling. But now, knowing that the likes of Astana and Katusha did better, I'm somewhat disappointed.


Three seconds and one second, come on. They were at their place.
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09 Jul 2018 20:37

They did something that they very rarely do - starting to strongly. They were very poor from the 1st time check to the finish and almost dropped 1 minute on 20 kilometres. Just for this stage specifically, I think Oliveira in general over 21 stages had added more than Rojas would have, but oh well. Castro, Izaigirre, Malori, Dowsett etc. are long gone and that is felt.
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09 Jul 2018 20:38

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DNP-Old wrote:Movistar was in a weird position today. I think that if you told them prior to the start they were going to lose 54 seconds to the winner, everyone would be happy and smiling. But now, knowing that the likes of Astana and Katusha did better, I'm somewhat disappointed.


Three seconds and one second, come on. They were at their place.

I could also point to Cannondale. I just expected more of them, despite the likes of Gorka, Castroviejo not being on the team anymore. Movistar used to be atop of the food chain in this discipline not too long ago.
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09 Jul 2018 20:49

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DNP-Old wrote:Movistar was in a weird position today. I think that if you told them prior to the start they were going to lose 54 seconds to the winner, everyone would be happy and smiling. But now, knowing that the likes of Astana and Katusha did better, I'm somewhat disappointed.


Three seconds and one second, come on. They were at their place.

I could also point to Cannondale. I just expected more of them, despite the likes of Gorka, Castroviejo not being on the team anymore. Movistar used to be atop of the food chain in this discipline not too long ago.


Cannondale has more turbo in their team compared to Movistar. Uran, Vanmarcke, Scully, Phinney and Craddock vs Amador, Valverde and let's say Erviti. Maybe a 7th spot was the highest position they could obtain, but higher certainly not.

Correct, Movistar has lost a lot of their turbo's and they have left out Oliveira and Sutterlin as well, their current best timetrial specialists.
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09 Jul 2018 20:51

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DNP-Old wrote:Movistar was in a weird position today. I think that if you told them prior to the start they were going to lose 54 seconds to the winner, everyone would be happy and smiling. But now, knowing that the likes of Astana and Katusha did better, I'm somewhat disappointed.


Three seconds and one second, come on. They were at their place.

I could also point to Cannondale. I just expected more of them, despite the likes of Gorka, Castroviejo not being on the team anymore. Movistar used to be atop of the food chain in this discipline not too long ago.


Yeah, but precisely because of the likes of Castro, Izagirre's, Malori, Dowsett...
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09 Jul 2018 20:58

With who they took, they had Valverde, Amador, Soler and maybe Erviti for this stage. That doesn't exactly make for a strong, or even good TTT team. I would have included either Oliveira or Sutterlin over Rojas for this Tour, but I'm not the one making decisions.
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09 Jul 2018 21:05

Oliveira is the better rider. Sutterlin has been rather underwhelming IMO.

These first 9 days have always been a case of not losing too much. Given that Froome is the one they are going up against, its not too bad - Landa and Valverde are even and Quintana is a minute down. As Valverde stated, instead of looking at the time Nairo lost, we should all be happy he didnt crashed out. So lets be that. I dont care if Landa or Quintana will be two, three, four or even FIVE minutes down on the Thomas, Jungels and TJs of the world as long as all 3 amigos are intact after the cobbles. Thats the most important thing. The Alps are super hard, afterwards the can hopefully work their magic and that starts on the early slopes of Col de Romme. Landa will be Sastre of 2009 with better legs.
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09 Jul 2018 21:19

Valv.Piti wrote:Oliveira is the better rider. Sutterlin has been rather underwhelming IMO.

These first 9 days have always been a case of not losing too much. Given that Froome is the one they are going up against, its not too bad - Landa and Valverde are even and Quintana is a minute down. As Valverde stated, instead of looking at the time Nairo lost, we should all be happy he didnt crashed out. So lets be that. I dont care if Landa or Quintana will be two, three, four or even FIVE minutes down on the Thomas, Jungels and TJs of the world as long as all 3 amigos are intact after the cobbles. Thats the most important thing. The Alps are super hard, afterwards the can hopefully work their magic and that starts on the early slopes of Col de Romme. Landa will be Sastre of 2009 with better legs.


I agree just think including one of them would have helped today and would help on stage 9 as well.

After today's stage, Landa said if you'd have told me I'd be a second or two ahead of Froome after the TTT I'd have taken it and I'm going to take it now and be happy no matter how we got here.

Valverde's comment was something to the effect of: We were within the expected time loss. We're fine.

I agree about not being worried about being down to Thomas, Jungels, Tejay's etc as something will happened with them at some point or other.
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10 Jul 2018 00:09

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DNP-Old wrote:Movistar was in a weird position today. I think that if you told them prior to the start they were going to lose 54 seconds to the winner, everyone would be happy and smiling. But now, knowing that the likes of Astana and Katusha did better, I'm somewhat disappointed.


Three seconds and one second, come on. They were at their place.

I could also point to Cannondale. I just expected more of them, despite the likes of Gorka, Castroviejo not being on the team anymore. Movistar used to be atop of the food chain in this discipline not too long ago.


Cannondale and Astana were the saves of the day. Movistar would have to be a little disappointed with that.
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11 Jul 2018 06:05

Movistar SD Arrieta, yesterday:
"Another race will start for us after the cobblestones stage. But we don't have three leaders. We have only one leader: it's Nairo Quintana because of his past at the Tour de France."
Any comment?
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11 Jul 2018 06:20

Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:Movistar SD Arrieta, yesterday:
"Another race will start for us after the cobblestones stage. But we don't have three leaders. We have only one leader: it's Nairo Quintana because of his past at the Tour de France."
Any comment?


That's why they send half of the squad to bring back Landa after that crash yesterday :rolleyes:
If you want to know what's happening in Movistar, don't listen Arrieta nor any other DS, listen to Unzue and Valverde...
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11 Jul 2018 06:45

Blanco wrote:
Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:Movistar SD Arrieta, yesterday:
"Another race will start for us after the cobblestones stage. But we don't have three leaders. We have only one leader: it's Nairo Quintana because of his past at the Tour de France."
Any comment?


That's why they send half of the squad to bring back Landa after that crash yesterday :rolleyes:
If you want to know what's happening in Movistar, don't listen Arrieta nor any other DS, listen to Unzue and Valverde...

OK :)
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11 Jul 2018 18:44

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Blanco wrote:
Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:Movistar SD Arrieta, yesterday:
"Another race will start for us after the cobblestones stage. But we don't have three leaders. We have only one leader: it's Nairo Quintana because of his past at the Tour de France."
Any comment?


That's why they send half of the squad to bring back Landa after that crash yesterday :rolleyes:
If you want to know what's happening in Movistar, don't listen Arrieta nor any other DS, listen to Unzue and Valverde...

OK :)



What Blanco said is correct. To really know what's going on at Movistar listen to Unzue and Valverde. Don't just listen to what they say, but also what they don't say as that can be just as important as what is said. Unzue has continued to say 3 leaders. Valverde has said 2 race race leaders as he's the team leader and those responsibilities fall on his shoulders. One other thing, don't be shocked if Arrieta's comment was try to appease the Quintana/Colombian fans. Also Valverde made a comment this morning before the start of the stage that we're here to try to win with either Landa or Quintana (he said their names in that order) as they have better options than he has, but that doesn't mean he can't go stage hunting. He also said if something happens and it falls to him that he'll do what he can, but doubts he can actually win it. Yes there are 3 protected riders on this team.
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12 Jul 2018 19:55

According to an article in the Spanish language cycling publication AS, Arrieta never said anything about Quintana being there leader and they have 3 leaders.

Here's the link to the article:
https://as.com/ciclismo/2018/07/11/tour_francia/1531332408_456373.html?id_externo_rsoc=comp_fb

Here's the paragraph in Spanish:

Preguntado por As, Arrieta negó haber realizado esas declaraciones: “Yo no dije nada de eso, no hablé sobre el tema. Nada ha cambiado en nuestra estrategia. Disponemos de tres bazas”. Diario As también contactó con los encargados de la comunicación del Tour, que desmintieron al navarro y confirmaron su información.


According to google translate this is the English translation:

Asked by As, Arrieta denied having made those statements: "I did not say anything about that, I did not talk about it. Nothing has changed in our strategy. We have three tricks. " Diario As also contacted the people in charge of the communication of the Tour, who denied the Navarre and confirmed their information.
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12 Jul 2018 20:06

Koronin wrote:According to an article in the Spanish language cycling publication AS, Arrieta never said anything about Quintana being there leader and they have 3 leaders.

Here's the link to the article:
https://as.com/ciclismo/2018/07/11/tour_francia/1531332408_456373.html?id_externo_rsoc=comp_fb

Here's the paragraph in Spanish:

Preguntado por As, Arrieta negó haber realizado esas declaraciones: “Yo no dije nada de eso, no hablé sobre el tema. Nada ha cambiado en nuestra estrategia. Disponemos de tres bazas”. Diario As también contactó con los encargados de la comunicación del Tour, que desmintieron al navarro y confirmaron su información.


According to google translate this is the English translation:

Asked by As, Arrieta denied having made those statements: "I did not say anything about that, I did not talk about it. Nothing has changed in our strategy. We have three tricks. " Diario As also contacted the people in charge of the communication of the Tour, who denied the Navarre and confirmed their information.

It was yesterday (or the day before yesterday) quoted in official Racecenter at letour.fr.
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12 Jul 2018 20:20

Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:
Koronin wrote:According to an article in the Spanish language cycling publication AS, Arrieta never said anything about Quintana being there leader and they have 3 leaders.

Here's the link to the article:
https://as.com/ciclismo/2018/07/11/tour_francia/1531332408_456373.html?id_externo_rsoc=comp_fb

Here's the paragraph in Spanish:

Preguntado por As, Arrieta negó haber realizado esas declaraciones: “Yo no dije nada de eso, no hablé sobre el tema. Nada ha cambiado en nuestra estrategia. Disponemos de tres bazas”. Diario As también contactó con los encargados de la comunicación del Tour, que desmintieron al navarro y confirmaron su información.


According to google translate this is the English translation:

Asked by As, Arrieta denied having made those statements: "I did not say anything about that, I did not talk about it. Nothing has changed in our strategy. We have three tricks. " Diario As also contacted the people in charge of the communication of the Tour, who denied the Navarre and confirmed their information.

It was yesterday (or the day before yesterday) quoted in official Racecenter at letour.fr.



It was, this article is from today and he's denying having said it at all. Thus more reason to just basically ignore what Movistar's DS's say for the most part. Heck at Catalonia last year the DS (I think it was again Arrieta) that said they had considered pulling the team out, then decided to allow the team to stay but they weren't going to race they were just there. Then Valverde went out and put on a clinic in bike racing. So, this is just more proof of not pay too much attention to their DS's.
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12 Jul 2018 21:33

Koronin wrote:this is just more proof of not pay too much attention to their DS's.


100%. Like in most team sports, when a DS or manager speaks to the press their goals are a) talk up/motivate your riders b) don't give away any secret plans c) charm the media so they give you positive coverage in future d) give the journos some filler if a/b/c give you nothing to say.
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15 Jul 2018 15:37

Amazing team performance today.

Overall, the first 9 day has been a success. Yes, Quintana lost a bit of time, Valverde didn't win a stage and Landa, Rojas is out and Landa crashed, but you can't ask for more this this. Froome is the reference and Valv is a bit ahead, Landa same time and Quintana a bit down, but not much. Now the race starts!
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