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31 May 2018 16:31

hazaran wrote:So of all their leaders, they send none to the Dauphine. They are going to come out of this entire racing block including the Tour totally empty-handed, calling it now.

People said that ahead of Paris-Nice and Giro d' Italia and look how that turned out. Sometimes you gotta give the young guys some chances and they have delivered so far, can't see why that should be different in this race.

Also, the thought process behind all of this is basically that they don't give a rats *** about anything else than the Tour, basically. So if Suisse is the best race for preparing, they go to Suisse. You can see that they have sent 7 out of the 10 guys in the picture to that race.
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31 May 2018 19:20

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hazaran wrote:So of all their leaders, they send none to the Dauphine. They are going to come out of this entire racing block including the Tour totally empty-handed, calling it now.

People said that ahead of Paris-Nice and Giro d' Italia and look how that turned out. Sometimes you gotta give the young guys some chances and they have delivered so far, can't see why that should be different in this race.

Also, the thought process behind all of this is basically that they don't give a rats *** about anything else than the Tour, basically. So if Suisse is the best race for preparing, they go to Suisse. You can see that they have sent 7 out of the 10 guys in the picture to that race.



One more thing to add is that after Soler won Paris-Nice he was promised leadership of the team for the Duaphine to see how he could do on a little larger stage. It's been known for a couple of months now that the big 3 were headed to Suisse this year. I think more of a need to get them all in a race before the Tour than anything else. Remember Quintana doesn't usually race the Duaphine before the Tour anyway. Although Valverde usually does.
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31 May 2018 19:55

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Valv.Piti wrote:
hazaran wrote:So of all their leaders, they send none to the Dauphine. They are going to come out of this entire racing block including the Tour totally empty-handed, calling it now.

People said that ahead of Paris-Nice and Giro d' Italia and look how that turned out. Sometimes you gotta give the young guys some chances and they have delivered so far, can't see why that should be different in this race.

Also, the thought process behind all of this is basically that they don't give a rats *** about anything else than the Tour, basically. So if Suisse is the best race for preparing, they go to Suisse. You can see that they have sent 7 out of the 10 guys in the picture to that race.



One more thing to add is that after Soler won Paris-Nice he was promised leadership of the team for the Duaphine to see how he could do on a little larger stage. It's been known for a couple of months now that the big 3 were headed to Suisse this year. I think more of a need to get them all in a race before the Tour than anything else. Remember Quintana doesn't usually race the Duaphine before the Tour anyway. Although Valverde usually does.


I fail to see how is Dauphine larger stage than Paris-Nice?
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31 May 2018 20:02

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Koronin wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:
hazaran wrote:So of all their leaders, they send none to the Dauphine. They are going to come out of this entire racing block including the Tour totally empty-handed, calling it now.

People said that ahead of Paris-Nice and Giro d' Italia and look how that turned out. Sometimes you gotta give the young guys some chances and they have delivered so far, can't see why that should be different in this race.

Also, the thought process behind all of this is basically that they don't give a rats *** about anything else than the Tour, basically. So if Suisse is the best race for preparing, they go to Suisse. You can see that they have sent 7 out of the 10 guys in the picture to that race.



One more thing to add is that after Soler won Paris-Nice he was promised leadership of the team for the Duaphine to see how he could do on a little larger stage. It's been known for a couple of months now that the big 3 were headed to Suisse this year. I think more of a need to get them all in a race before the Tour than anything else. Remember Quintana doesn't usually race the Duaphine before the Tour anyway. Although Valverde usually does.


I fail to see how is Dauphine larger stage than Paris-Nice?



My guess is against some of the riders who will be at the Duaphine compared to who was at Paris-Nice is what was being referred to.
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31 May 2018 20:04

Usually Dauphine is at least one level higher than Paris-Nice, but it probably aint the case this year where riders will be more undercooked and many of the usual suspects are riding Suisse or have ridden Giro (Froome).
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31 May 2018 23:21

It would be better to send Soler to the Vuelta for his own development, but if he can be in form it looks more and more necessary from the team’s point of view to have him in the Tour. With three leaders, their five domestiques will have to be capable of covering the work of seven. Soler is the guy on their roster who can double job as a climber and a rouleur at a high level. That’s valuable in any team, but it’s pretty much essential in a team with too few domestiques.

It’s going to get messy if Movistar have to defend the jersey.
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31 May 2018 23:37

Soler is needed for the cobbles ;)
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01 Jun 2018 00:09

Zinoviev Letter wrote:It would be better to send Soler to the Vuelta for his own development, but if he can be in form it looks more and more necessary from the team’s point of view to have him in the Tour. With three leaders, their five domestiques will have to be capable of covering the work of seven. Soler is the guy on their roster who can double job as a climber and a rouleur at a high level. That’s valuable in any team, but it’s pretty much essential in a team with too few domestiques.

It’s going to get messy if Movistar have to defend the jersey.



I think Amador fits that as well.

I'm not entirely sure they actually will defend the jersey if they get it in the first week. As for it getting messy, that's likely to happen with or without the jersey. The interesting part is what happens if Valverde is the one that gets it. How unhappy are both Landa and Quintana going to be about that.
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01 Jun 2018 06:46

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It’s going to get messy if Movistar have to defend the jersey.


No doubt! I can't wait -- having three putative leaders on one team is going to make for some exciting subplots. I had high hopes for M-S, with 2 potential leaders, at the Giro but Chaves flamed out spectacularly.
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01 Jun 2018 07:08

Everyone is talking about the tour but you know what I'm already looking forward to? The Vuelta where the three leaders will probably ride together again with a better rested carapaz who might as well be better than the other three. :D
Anyway, I agree with the ones who say Soler is a key factor in the tour. Amador is a great superdomestique because he is so incredibly versatile but Soler is the kind of guy who can absolutely shred the peloton on a hard climb. Because the inability of doing that would be catastrophic for Movistar. You can have three leaders to cause carnage in the mountains but if the sky train isn't destroyed already every attack becomes a suicide attack. Yeah such a suicide attack can actually make the sky train collapse but who of the three will be willing to waste his own tour for the sake of someone else's?
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01 Jun 2018 08:54

Gigs_98 wrote:Everyone is talking about the tour but you know what I'm already looking forward to? The Vuelta where the three leaders will probably ride together again with a better rested carapaz who might as well be better than the other three. :D
Anyway, I agree with the ones who say Soler is a key factor in the tour. Amador is a great superdomestique because he is so incredibly versatile but Soler is the kind of guy who can absolutely shred the peloton on a hard climb. Because the inability of doing that would be catastrophic for Movistar. You can have three leaders to cause carnage in the mountains but if the sky train isn't destroyed already every attack becomes a suicide attack. Yeah such a suicide attack can actually make the sky train collapse but who of the three will be willing to waste his own tour for the sake of someone else's?

Valverde will do that.
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01 Jun 2018 10:49

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Gigs_98 wrote:Everyone is talking about the tour but you know what I'm already looking forward to? The Vuelta where the three leaders will probably ride together again with a better rested carapaz who might as well be better than the other three. :D
Anyway, I agree with the ones who say Soler is a key factor in the tour. Amador is a great superdomestique because he is so incredibly versatile but Soler is the kind of guy who can absolutely shred the peloton on a hard climb. Because the inability of doing that would be catastrophic for Movistar. You can have three leaders to cause carnage in the mountains but if the sky train isn't destroyed already every attack becomes a suicide attack. Yeah such a suicide attack can actually make the sky train collapse but who of the three will be willing to waste his own tour for the sake of someone else's?

Valverde will do that.

Will Valverde also do this when he is the best placed gc rider after the first week? Considering how Valverde rode the tour in 2015 I doubt it
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01 Jun 2018 11:22

Valverde will most likely get over the couples the best, he was very adept in 2015 and made the split that eventually didn't matter anyways. He is by far the most versatile rider of the captains.
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01 Jun 2018 20:23

Valverde is the one most likely to be in the best shape after the first week of the Tour considering he can actually ride the cobbles and is by far the most versatile of the 3 leaders. He also CAN do a very good time trial unlike both Quintana and Landa. However, at least from comments Valverde has made he's more interested in la Vuelta and the Worlds than he is in the Tour. Also he isn't going to fully sacrifice himself just simply because he never riders into the red. He'll ride at this limit, but won't go into the red.
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05 Jun 2018 10:47

Valverde to ride Route du Sud instead of Suiza.
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05 Jun 2018 10:59

DNP-Old wrote:Valverde to ride Route du Sud instead of Suiza.

Oh ffs. So they are sending Quintana and Landa to Suisse with a long TT and Valverde to Sud.... it makes sense in the sense that Valverde probably will focus more on Vuelta and WCs tho.
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05 Jun 2018 11:36

LOL, now Landa could've done the Dauphine as well.
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05 Jun 2018 12:47

According to Valverde, he has been a bit under the weather for a few days and that's why he has changed his schedule.
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05 Jun 2018 16:49

Good. It's important that he's not overraced for the Worlds and every race day counts
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05 Jun 2018 19:56

tobydawq wrote:According to Valverde, he has been a bit under the weather for a few days and that's why he has changed his schedule.


Sure /s

A month till the Tour and there is already trouble in paradise. Will be great comedy in the TTT, every one of the GC guys and those believing themselves to be taking shorter pretend pulls than the next :lol:
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