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Re: Team Movistar-thread

25 Jun 2018 02:33

skippo12 wrote:Have I missed someone or is this really the first time since 2006 (Garate) that another team won the national road race in spain?


Everything I've read is saying since 2010.
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Re: Team Movistar-thread

25 Jun 2018 02:40

Plaza won in 2009 riding for Liberty Seguros, he went to Caisse d'Epargne only the following winter.
http://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=1199&y=2009
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25 Jun 2018 06:49

Escarabajo wrote:I would put the money on Oliveira because of the climbing and he is good time trialist.
Now I am not sure about Rojas. I would put Soler instead.


Although Soler is much better rider already, I think we all underestimate how valuable rider Rojas is, as a domestique particularly. He can ride on pretty much every terrain, he's good uphill, downhill, on the flat, you name it... and he rarely disappoints ( if ever), he's always in good condition and rides his heart out for his leader(s), especially for Valverde.
Soler in top shape is no doubt a better rider, but I think his shape is questionable, and if that's the case I would pick Rojas over him any day of the week.
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Re: Team Movistar-thread

25 Jun 2018 07:44

skippo12 wrote:Have I missed someone or is this really the first time since 2006 (Garate) that another team won the national road race in spain?


Small note, Garate won in 2005. In 2006 there was no race, the riders were striking against the Puerto investigation
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25 Jun 2018 14:24

Andrey Amador
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde
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Re: Team Movistar-thread

25 Jun 2018 15:30

Nirvana wrote:Plaza won in 2009 riding for Liberty Seguros, he went to Caisse d'Epargne only the following winter.
http://firstcycling.com/race.php?r=1199&y=2009


Thanks for the info...went through the list of spanish road race champions and thought he was with Caisse D`Epargne.
Plaza spent one season with Benfica Lissabon. You learn something new every day. Never knew they had a pro cycling team.
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25 Jun 2018 15:51

Breh wrote:Andrey Amador
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde


I guess Unzue is not worried about the TTT, which is a little strange to say the least.
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25 Jun 2018 16:52

AlexNYC wrote:
Breh wrote:Andrey Amador
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde


I guess Unzue is not worried about the TTT, which is a little strange to say the least.


Hope they don't shift too much time in the TTT - That team is carrying three or four riders for the TTT.
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25 Jun 2018 19:33

yaco wrote:
AlexNYC wrote:
Breh wrote:Andrey Amador
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde


I guess Unzue is not worried about the TTT, which is a little strange to say the least.


Hope they don't shift too much time in the TTT - That team is carrying three or four riders for the TTT.


Other than Landa and Quintana, who?
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25 Jun 2018 19:50

Blanco wrote:
yaco wrote:
AlexNYC wrote:
Breh wrote:Andrey Amador
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde


I guess Unzue is not worried about the TTT, which is a little strange to say the least.


Hope they don't shift too much time in the TTT - That team is carrying three or four riders for the TTT.


Other than Landa and Quintana, who?


Reckon you need three or even four big engines to do a good TTT, 2 riders who are decent and two are carried - Amador has a big engine, while Valverde and Soler are decent while the rest are meh - Keep within a minute of the Sky/BMC and they've done well.
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25 Jun 2018 20:31

yaco wrote:
Blanco wrote:
yaco wrote:
AlexNYC wrote:
Breh wrote:Andrey Amador
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde


I guess Unzue is not worried about the TTT, which is a little strange to say the least.


Hope they don't shift too much time in the TTT - That team is carrying three or four riders for the TTT.


Other than Landa and Quintana, who?


Reckon you need three or even four big engines to do a good TTT, 2 riders who are decent and two are carried - Amador has a big engine, while Valverde and Soler are decent while the rest are meh - Keep within a minute of the Sky/BMC and they've done well.


Sprinters are really underrated in TTT...but both JJR and Bennati are past their prime and probably aren`t even considered sprinters these days.
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25 Jun 2018 21:29

skippo12 wrote:
yaco wrote:
yaco wrote:
AlexNYC wrote:
Breh wrote:Andrey Amador
Daniele Bennati
Imanol Erviti
Jose Joaquin Rojas
Marc Soler
Mikel Landa
Nairo Quintana
Alejandro Valverde


I guess Unzue is not worried about the TTT, which is a little strange to say the least.


Hope they don't shift too much time in the TTT - That team is carrying three or four riders for the TTT.


Other than Landa and Quintana, who?


Reckon you need three or even four big engines to do a good TTT, 2 riders who are decent and two are carried - Amador has a big engine, while Valverde and Soler are decent while the rest are meh - Keep within a minute of the Sky/BMC and they've done well.


Sprinters are really underrated in TTT...but both JJR and Bennati are past their prime and probably aren`t even considered sprinters these days.[/quote]


Rojas doesn't even like for anyone to call him a sprinter anymore. He also seems happier to give a leadout to Valverde for a sprint than try to contest on himself at this point in his career.

I'm not liking this team for the TTT. Amador, Valverde, and Soler are by far the best riders on this team for a time trial and that is asking a lot of those three. Plus do we even know how Valverde is doing mentally with time trials as it was a time trial crash at the Tour last summer that almost ended his career. He's raced 2 ITTs (Abu Dhabi and Spanish Nationals) and 1 TTT (Valencia that didn't really count) this year.
Truthfully I think Bennati is included for the cobbled stage and he and Valverde are probably their best cobbled riders. Erviti isn't too bad with the cobbles either. This team could definitely lose a minute-ish to Sky and BMC in the TTT. Valverde is the only one of the 3 GC guys who might be able to claw some of that time back on the cobbled stage.
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25 Jun 2018 21:41

Movistar? Won't see them until week 2 (Ok, Valverde might get bored and strech his legs on a couple of stages but otherwise, why bother?)
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26 Jun 2018 01:09

I wasn't expecting Amador but it makes sense. He is good in TT and good in mountains. With Soler and Amador they have good domestiques in the mountains. With Rojas they have a decent climber for the lower slopes. Now I don't buy that only Valverde, Amador and Soler are the only good time trialists. Riders like Bena and Erviti can be very valuable as well. This is a TTT and not individual TT. Some of these big guys that don't figure out in the regular TT can be very strong in the TTT when required. Rojas can help also as well. Landa and Quintana if fit they can defend themselves. My 2 cents.
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28 Jun 2018 17:52

Interview with Valverde:

http://www.revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/25722-el-tour-este-ano-sera-mas-abierto-porque-froome-no-fue-en-el-giro-tan-superior-como-otras-veces-alejandro-valverde.html

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"I want to do it right. My job is to work for Nairo and Mikel or if the race gives me the opportunity to be in front, I'll take the responsability. My condition is good to be in front.
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28 Jun 2018 19:12

He always says the right things. He also again says in that interview that his big goals are the the Vuelta and Worlds. It goes with things he's said before about the Tour not being one of his goals. However, just because of who he is he'll be a protected rider throughout the race. They won't expect him to do the job of a domestique. Also another interesting note, someone (on another discussion board) said that in an interview Alex Dowsett said that Alejandro doesn't have an ego. (Would love to find that interview from Alex).
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28 Jun 2018 19:24

Koronin wrote:He always says the right things. He also again says in that interview that his big goals are the the Vuelta and Worlds. It goes with things he's said before about the Tour not being one of his goals. However, just because of who he is he'll be a protected rider throughout the race. They won't expect him to do the job of a domestique. Also another interesting note, someone (on another discussion board) said that in an interview Alex Dowsett said that Alejandro doesn't have an ego. (Would love to find that interview from Alex).

Excellent excuse.
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28 Jun 2018 20:34

Bot. Sky_Bot wrote:
Koronin wrote:He always says the right things. He also again says in that interview that his big goals are the the Vuelta and Worlds. It goes with things he's said before about the Tour not being one of his goals. However, just because of who he is he'll be a protected rider throughout the race. They won't expect him to do the job of a domestique. Also another interesting note, someone (on another discussion board) said that in an interview Alex Dowsett said that Alejandro doesn't have an ego. (Would love to find that interview from Alex).

Excellent excuse.


Well he's said from the beginning of the year that the Tour isn't one of his goals. However, he's also very good at talking down his chances.
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28 Jun 2018 20:35

I’ve learned to not put much weight on Valverde’s explanations of what his role will be at any given race where he’s not the designated leader. He always has a hidden agenda.
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30 Jun 2018 19:53

Escarabajo wrote:I wasn't expecting Amador but it makes sense. He is good in TT and good in mountains. With Soler and Amador they have good domestiques in the mountains. With Rojas they have a decent climber for the lower slopes. Now I don't buy that only Valverde, Amador and Soler are the only good time trialists. Riders like Bena and Erviti can be very valuable as well. This is a TTT and not individual TT. Some of these big guys that don't figure out in the regular TT can be very strong in the TTT when required. Rojas can help also as well. Landa and Quintana if fit they can defend themselves. My 2 cents.

You’re right here. A lot of posters are misunderstanding the difference between a TTT and a regular TT.

The effort required in a TTT is closer to a prologue or the run into a field sprint than a standard TT, which is why pursuiters and sprinters who can ride strong short to medium TTs are so valuable like Küng, Meyer, Matthews, Sagan and Kittel. They can raise the teams pace above what the pure time trialists can.
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