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17 Jul 2018 21:07

Valv.Piti wrote:The loss of Rojas is pretty bad, Soler is super inconsistent since Catalunya, so this is pretty much bound to happen. God I wish they still had Castroviejo or Izagirre. One of the tree amigos arent gonna sacrifice himself for the others, so prepare for a lot of blame towards Valverde from commentators (even though he is the last one of those who should attack).

I don't know tomorrow, I fear they are just gonna wait for Huez.


This belief that Valverde is a genuine contender to win this Tour is based on magical thinking. If Movistar are content with a podium (and even that is a reach for Valverde, let's be honest) then yes, by all means, treat him like your main GC rider. But if they actually want to win the race, they need to start using him to setup Quintana and Landa because it appears Movistar don't have anyone else to play that role.

I can't believe Unzue would be this stupid, thus my belief from the start that Valverde is supposed to be a decoy of sorts (although I know he will never give himself fully).
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17 Jul 2018 21:10

I think Landa, yes, Quintana are the ones who should be attacking and Valverde following wheels in the first place given the GC situation and the time trial. It quickly becomes clear if he has it or not and if he doesnt, yes, he should set it up, but Quintana can't expect him to do that all the time. He should also take the bulls by its horns sometimes himself
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17 Jul 2018 22:57

Actually it wasn't Valverde's legs today that was a problem at the top of the final climb. He dropped his chain and had to fix it while still riding right before the top of the final climb.
One other thing Landa said that today wasn't good terrain for him to attack on and tomorrow and Thursday fit him much better (also would fit Quintana better).
With Valverde having an issue with his chain it IS possible he was shifting so he could try at attack at the moment and had a mechanical let down.
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18 Jul 2018 07:36

AlexNYC wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:The loss of Rojas is pretty bad, Soler is super inconsistent since Catalunya, so this is pretty much bound to happen. God I wish they still had Castroviejo or Izagirre. One of the tree amigos arent gonna sacrifice himself for the others, so prepare for a lot of blame towards Valverde from commentators (even though he is the last one of those who should attack).

I don't know tomorrow, I fear they are just gonna wait for Huez.


This belief that Valverde is a genuine contender to win this Tour is based on magical thinking. If Movistar are content with a podium (and even that is a reach for Valverde, let's be honest) then yes, by all means, treat him like your main GC rider. But if they actually want to win the race, they need to start using him to setup Quintana and Landa because it appears Movistar don't have anyone else to play that role.

I can't believe Unzue would be this stupid, thus my belief from the start that Valverde is supposed to be a decoy of sorts (although I know he will never give himself fully).


You don't get it, do you?
They will use him to set up either Quintana or Landa, but they could do it once, maybe twice at most. He needs to be high in the GC for that to succeed.
For example, if they tried that yesterday it would've been a double fail because a) that attack would go nowhere with 5 Sky doms, and b) Valverde wouldn't been as high in the GC anymore, so no genuine threat.
So, they need to be careful when and where they will use him, but I guess Unzue who won 7 Tours and Valverde who practically won on every corner of the Earth would now thing or two about that.
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18 Jul 2018 10:32

An a-typical transfer with Roelandts probably joining the team. With more cobblestone races in the World Tour it became inevitable.
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18 Jul 2018 11:44

Roelandts is a good upgrade on Bennati
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18 Jul 2018 12:10

Weird transfer that would be. First Belgian rider (or any member for that matter) in Movistar's long history I guess?
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18 Jul 2018 12:42

Flamin wrote:Weird transfer that would be. First Belgian rider (or any member for that matter) in Movistar's long history I guess?

I cant remember it. Isn't he a bit past his prime?
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18 Jul 2018 16:36

They've had a dutchman and few germans, but can't remember any belgians
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18 Jul 2018 16:38

They did quite bad today their strategy.
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18 Jul 2018 16:41

Taxus4a wrote:They did quite bad today their strategy.

No, they just were not good enough. No strategy works when your leaders are not good
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18 Jul 2018 16:44

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
Taxus4a wrote:They did quite bad today their strategy.

No, they just were not good enough. No strategy works when your leaders are not good


Right. Strategy can be perfect, but if the other guys are better than you anyway, it makes no difference.
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18 Jul 2018 16:58

Lots of racing left in this Tour but if this turns
out to be the pivotal stage....and it's still a bit
early to know if it is....it might be said that the
real mistake Movistar made was to send their
A team to de Suisse instead of the Dauphine.
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18 Jul 2018 16:58

Eventhough Quintana didn't have a perfect day, it is clear that he is the strongest rider in the team right now and hopefully Valverde and Landa will help him now. Only then they can do anything about Sky.
I am sure that Quintana would've been able to go with Froome, but he missed the attack and didn't want to work alone and as a result of this he lost more time. Tomorrow will be crucial for him. If he doesn't take anything back tomorrow then I have no idea what's next.
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18 Jul 2018 17:06

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
Taxus4a wrote:They did quite bad today their strategy.

No, they just were not good enough. No strategy works when your leaders are not good


That was revealed in the last kilometers of La Rosiere but even if Quintana and Landa were stronger, the strategy of Movistar didn't disturb the unity of Sky. Movistar when are preparing an attack, use to, place a element in the front group to serve as satellite, instead of causing a selection in the favourites group. To defeat Sky is necessary to use their tactics.
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18 Jul 2018 17:16

Son of Amsterhammer wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
Taxus4a wrote:They did quite bad today their strategy.

No, they just were not good enough. No strategy works when your leaders are not good


Right. Strategy can be perfect, but if the other guys are better than you anyway, it makes no difference.

Correct. Strategy was good. We all could see it boiling. But I think there was a combination of weakness and Sky being super strong.
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18 Jul 2018 17:18

jfazendeiro wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
Taxus4a wrote:They did quite bad today their strategy.

No, they just were not good enough. No strategy works when your leaders are not good


That was revealed in the last kilometers of La Rosiere but even if Quintana and Landa were stronger, the strategy of Movistar didn't disturb the unity of Sky. Movistar when are preparing an attack, use to, place a element in the front group to serve as satellite, instead of causing a selection in the favourites group. To defeat Sky is necessary to use their tactics.

But of course but who has that strength? nobody. Let's not kid ourselves.
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18 Jul 2018 17:38

Son of Amsterhammer wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
Taxus4a wrote:They did quite bad today their strategy.

No, they just were not good enough. No strategy works when your leaders are not good


Right. Strategy can be perfect, but if the other guys are better than you anyway, it makes no difference.


Landa was hurt and Valverde didn't seem to be that great rather soon after his attack and yet they made a decision to make the race harder for themselves as Sky had almost the whole team at that point.

I am not against attacking, but that was not really the perfect time.
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18 Jul 2018 17:42

Escarabajo wrote:
jfazendeiro wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:
Taxus4a wrote:They did quite bad today their strategy.

No, they just were not good enough. No strategy works when your leaders are not good


That was revealed in the last kilometers of La Rosiere but even if Quintana and Landa were stronger, the strategy of Movistar didn't disturb the unity of Sky. Movistar when are preparing an attack, use to, place a element in the front group to serve as satellite, instead of causing a selection in the favourites group. To defeat Sky is necessary to use their tactics.

But of course but who has that strength? nobody. Let's not kid ourselves.


To me the effort that Soler and Valverde did in the breakaway would be enough to left Sky only with Froome, Thomas and Bernal.
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18 Jul 2018 18:10

I think it’s a combination of Sky having absurdly strong doms and Movistar GC guys not being strong enough. Landa looked bad... Is he hurt? And Quintana... Well, I’m not sure. GT cannot possibly be this much stronger. Tomorrow will tell the tale about him. He sounded pretty bad after the race, so I’m not optimistic.
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