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29 Jul 2016 19:43

Samamba wrote:
Charly_Gaul wrote:
Samamba wrote:
Charly_Gaul wrote:
Samamba wrote:Not just "good" results, he had a brilliant year so far and he can continue down this road if he wins the Tour d'Alsace. Queen stage tomorrow and he's the big favorite alongside Frankiny & Reyes. Maybe he's just preparing for the Tour de l'Avernir though, just like he was preparing for Savoie/Aosta in the Peace Race.

Not sure if Etixx is the best team for him though. Their record with GC riders isn't that great and they already have a phenomenal talent with De Plus.

By the moment anything tells me De Plus is potentially better climber and more interesting prospect than Mas. De Plus is not doing bad at the moment taking into acount he's a neoprofessional rider, but as a gifted climber he has never dominated on the mountains or stage races in any category. And Mas is doing it this year. Actually the spaniard is more complete rider.
Like KyoGrey i think is a great decission signing with Ettix skipping Movistar, he will get free role to show GT contender abilities.


More complete? De Plus has a massive engine for his age and has a decent TT. Don't forget that De Plus is the same age as Mas and already a pro. He was almost as good last year as Mas is right now. No he didn't dominate but he was 2nd in Isard, 2nd in Aosta (behind the unbeatable Power and in front of Frankiny), 4th in the Peace Race, 6th in Alsace and 2nd in GC before fading a little bit on the last day in the Tour de l'Avenir. I didn't see Mas getting results like that in his second year as a U23 rider. It probably has something to do with the fact that he was still riding in a smaller team ofcourse, but still. You can't use the argument that De Plus wasn't winning everything (btw, Mas didn't win Aosta, Frankiny did, the same guy that couldn't follow De Plus last year) to say that Mas is the better or more complete rider cause De Plus was a year younger in his last year as a U23 rider.

I'm not saying that Mas isn't the bigger talent. Who knows, but De Plus is a phenomenal talent and maybe more importantly Belgian. There is a possibility that Lefevre will give him more chances cause he knows that Belgium is dying for a new GC worthy rider. The commercial advantages that something like that would entail for a Belgian team are huge. That being said, you're absolutely right that Movistar wouldn't be team for him either.


Yes is more complete like stage racer, Mas is a TT champion showing very competitive this year on the discipline and De Plus has never won a Time Trial in his life.
De Plus did a great season last year no doubt but he wasnt even close to win a stage race.
At the moment Mas has compete in 5 and have won 2, that could be 3 counting Valle d'Aosta if its not for a unfortunate mechanical.

The only thing in which De Plus beats Mas right now in my opinion is in precociousness. For me De Plus is the typical case of slightly overrated rider that gets a lot of attention "only" for taking honour places in top races with a very poor balance of victories throghout all his career that then facing the true moment impact with reality. Saving exceptional cases i'ts extremely difficult to see a rider learning how to win and be a champion at professional category. Hope i am wrong.


Again, you're (probably on purpose) looking over the fact that De Plus was a year younger than Mas when he set those results. No doubt that he would've won at least one stage race this year if he didn't go pro this year. Mas wasn't a winner either till this year.


That's the fact. Probably as you've pointed he would have won at least one race showing significant progress on the mountains... or maybe not. Maybe the experience and development adquired this year on professional category would've not been the same in the U23 one. For ex. i think even the current De Plus no way could have beaten Enric and Geoghegan Hart in Savoie due to the TT.
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Re: Re:

29 Jul 2016 20:06

Charly_Gaul wrote:
Samamba wrote:Not just "good" results, he had a brilliant year so far and he can continue down this road if he wins the Tour d'Alsace. Queen stage tomorrow and he's the big favorite alongside Frankiny & Reyes. Maybe he's just preparing for the Tour de l'Avernir though, just like he was preparing for Savoie/Aosta in the Peace Race.

Not sure if Etixx is the best team for him though. Their record with GC riders isn't that great and they already have a phenomenal talent with De Plus.

By the moment anything tells me De Plus is potentially better climber and more interesting prospect than Mas. De Plus is not doing bad at the moment taking into acount he's a neoprofessional rider, but as a gifted climber he has never dominated on the mountains or stage races in any category. And Mas is doing it this year. Actually the spaniard is more complete rider.
Like KyoGrey i think is a great decission signing with Ettix skipping Movistar, he will get free role to show GT contender abilities.


This is ridiculous. De Plus is an incredible talent as well, arguably the bigger of the two
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Re: Re:

30 Jul 2016 09:12

Mayomaniac wrote:Back to Mas, his climbing style really reminds me of Contador.

He also has a similar build, 177cm and 61 kg
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30 Jul 2016 09:41

PremierAndrew wrote:
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Samamba wrote:Not just "good" results, he had a brilliant year so far and he can continue down this road if he wins the Tour d'Alsace. Queen stage tomorrow and he's the big favorite alongside Frankiny & Reyes. Maybe he's just preparing for the Tour de l'Avernir though, just like he was preparing for Savoie/Aosta in the Peace Race.

Not sure if Etixx is the best team for him though. Their record with GC riders isn't that great and they already have a phenomenal talent with De Plus.

By the moment anything tells me De Plus is potentially better climber and more interesting prospect than Mas. De Plus is not doing bad at the moment taking into acount he's a neoprofessional rider, but as a gifted climber he has never dominated on the mountains or stage races in any category. And Mas is doing it this year. Actually the spaniard is more complete rider.
Like KyoGrey i think is a great decission signing with Ettix skipping Movistar, he will get free role to show GT contender abilities.


This is ridiculous. De Plus is an incredible talent as well, arguably the bigger of the two


No way. He has never won a big U23 stage race. Mas already did.
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30 Jul 2016 09:48

Arredondo wrote:
PremierAndrew wrote:
Charly_Gaul wrote:
Samamba wrote:Not just "good" results, he had a brilliant year so far and he can continue down this road if he wins the Tour d'Alsace. Queen stage tomorrow and he's the big favorite alongside Frankiny & Reyes. Maybe he's just preparing for the Tour de l'Avernir though, just like he was preparing for Savoie/Aosta in the Peace Race.

Not sure if Etixx is the best team for him though. Their record with GC riders isn't that great and they already have a phenomenal talent with De Plus.

By the moment anything tells me De Plus is potentially better climber and more interesting prospect than Mas. De Plus is not doing bad at the moment taking into acount he's a neoprofessional rider, but as a gifted climber he has never dominated on the mountains or stage races in any category. And Mas is doing it this year. Actually the spaniard is more complete rider.
Like KyoGrey i think is a great decission signing with Ettix skipping Movistar, he will get free role to show GT contender abilities.


This is ridiculous. De Plus is an incredible talent as well, arguably the bigger of the two


No way. He has never won a big U23 stage race. Mas already did.


Again, De Plus never had a third year in the U23 category, Mas did and won his stage races in that year (same with a lot of other guys like Vervaeke a few years back). You can't use that as an argument to show Mas is more talented than De Plus. Next you guys are gonna say that Hofstede and Frankiny are bigger talents cause they won a stage race.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Mas and I'm not even a fan of De Plus but you can't say that Mas is the bigger talent just cause he won something in his third year.
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30 Jul 2016 09:51

Samamba wrote:
Arredondo wrote:
PremierAndrew wrote:
Charly_Gaul wrote:
Samamba wrote:Not just "good" results, he had a brilliant year so far and he can continue down this road if he wins the Tour d'Alsace. Queen stage tomorrow and he's the big favorite alongside Frankiny & Reyes. Maybe he's just preparing for the Tour de l'Avernir though, just like he was preparing for Savoie/Aosta in the Peace Race.

Not sure if Etixx is the best team for him though. Their record with GC riders isn't that great and they already have a phenomenal talent with De Plus.

By the moment anything tells me De Plus is potentially better climber and more interesting prospect than Mas. De Plus is not doing bad at the moment taking into acount he's a neoprofessional rider, but as a gifted climber he has never dominated on the mountains or stage races in any category. And Mas is doing it this year. Actually the spaniard is more complete rider.
Like KyoGrey i think is a great decission signing with Ettix skipping Movistar, he will get free role to show GT contender abilities.


This is ridiculous. De Plus is an incredible talent as well, arguably the bigger of the two


No way. He has never won a big U23 stage race. Mas already did.


Again, De Plus never had a third year in the U23 category, Mas did and won his stage races in that year (same with a lot of other guys like Vervaeke en few years back). You can't use that as an argument to show Mas is more talented than De Plus. Next you guys are gonna say that Hofstede and Frankiny are bigger talents cause they won a stage race.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Mas and I'm not even a fan of De Plus but you can't say that Mas is the bigger talent just cause he won something in his third year.


Exactly this ^
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Re: Enric Mas Rising Star

30 Jul 2016 12:08

Gigs_98 wrote:This has to be the 10th future multiple tdf winner I have read about this year :eek: :rolleyes:

I mean is it really necessary to make a thread for anyone who shows potential? Let's give those talents some time before we overhype them.


We must never criticise the hyping of young talents, because in five years' time it will give us much satisfaction/amusement.

On a completely separate note, have you read the OP in the Keldermerckx thread?
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30 Jul 2016 12:32

Mas comes from the youth team of Contador which is sponsored by Specialized. Etixx also uses Specialized, so Specialized ''placed'' him with Etix. No chance for Movistar (Canyon).
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30 Jul 2016 12:34

In 15 years, Mas fanboys and de Plus fanboys will give each other hell, and I will look back upon this thread, where a feud between fandoms was born.

jk though
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30 Jul 2016 13:10

Moviestar wrote:Mas comes from the youth team of Contador which is sponsored by Specialized. Etixx also uses Specialized, so Specialized ''placed'' him with Etix. No chance for Movistar (Canyon).


That was true, but they have started to use Look bikes this year.

Here is a nice interview, where he certainly shows some ambition looking into the future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX9KPirhxeY
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30 Jul 2016 13:57

Moviestar wrote:Mas comes from the youth team of Contador which is sponsored by Specialized. Etixx also uses Specialized, so Specialized ''placed'' him with Etix. No chance for Movistar (Canyon).

Of course, he is at Klein Constantia this year which is Etixx' feeder team. The Fundacion Contador seems to have an agreement with them, already 3 riders moved to that team
I also read a few months ago that Fran Contador (Alberto's brother and manager) is also the manager for some of the riders of the Fundacion, one of them being Enric. In that case, it makes even more sense, as Alberto was never big friends with Movistar so perhaps Fran convinced him Etixx was the best option.
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30 Jul 2016 14:25

LaFlorecita wrote:
Moviestar wrote:Mas comes from the youth team of Contador which is sponsored by Specialized. Etixx also uses Specialized, so Specialized ''placed'' him with Etix. No chance for Movistar (Canyon).

Of course, he is at Klein Constantia this year which is Etixx' feeder team. The Fundacion Contador seems to have an agreement with them, already 3 riders moved to that team
I also read a few months ago that Fran Contador (Alberto's brother and manager) is also the manager for some of the riders of the Fundacion, one of them being Enric. In that case, it makes even more sense, as Alberto was never big friends with Movistar so perhaps Fran convinced him Etixx was the best option.


He was close with them at least three times. After the end of Liberty Seguros-Wurth, Unzue could choose between Alberto and Luis Leon, but he chose for Luis Leon eventually.

Then again in 2009, but Unzue couldn't find a extra sponsor to sign Contador for Caisse, Contador couldn't wait and chose for Saxo. And at the start of the Movistar Project, Contador was approached but yet again Unzue couldn't give him guarantees.
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30 Jul 2016 14:41

cant wait for "No Mas" memes
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30 Jul 2016 18:11

A bit disappointing today in the Queen stage of the Tour d'Alsace.
Probably just preparing for the Tour de l'Avenir thought just like he did in the Peace Race.
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30 Jul 2016 18:33

The word "hype" of juniors/U's are just too quick to build in some cycling fans' perspectives. Mas is good, but still dependent on the right way(slow, fast, GT/no GT who knows?) up to prolevel. And I see theories of if x-rider was with y-manager etc.. Look at the seniors that "should have been sooooooo great, like Merxx".
I mean there is pressure of media from first time GT cyclists like this tour of Buchmann, Holst Enger, Mclay and the like. They did more than ok, but still it's like why they didn't do better?

Too much, this is a hard sport.
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30 Jul 2016 20:43

Samamba wrote:A bit disappointing today in the Queen stage of the Tour d'Alsace.
Probably just preparing for the Tour de l'Avenir thought just like he did in the Peace Race.


He said in an interview a few days ago that he'd be helping his teammates here. Yes is clearly on set-up.
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30 Jul 2016 21:26

well, lets see when the boy drops the nappy....
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Re: Enric Mas Rising Star

04 Jan 2017 10:05

Tour Down Under will be Enric's first WT race :)
I cannot say how excited and proud I am, having followed his progress since he joined Alberto's junior team in 2013. I see a big future for him. Vamos! :)

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Re: Enric Mas Rising Star

04 Jan 2017 10:51

LaFlorecita wrote:Tour Down Under will be Enric's first WT race :)
I cannot say how excited and proud I am, having followed his progress since he joined Alberto's junior team in 2013. I see a big future for him. Vamos! :)

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He looks a bit like andy schleck on that picture. You sure that you will root for him in the future? :p
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Re: Enric Mas Rising Star

04 Jan 2017 11:31

Gigs_98 wrote:He looks a bit like andy schleck on that picture. You sure that you will root for him in the future? :p

It's just a bad photo :p
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