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Tao Geoghegan Hart discussion thread

27 Jan 2017 08:16

Yes, I know, it's a bit previous, given he's only kicking off his Sky season today. Expecting good things this year though and the reason for the post is that I enjoyed reading this blog piece this morning. https://taogeogheganhart.com/move/
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27 Jan 2017 09:51

When is someone going to stop this outrage? Only the top cream of cycling used to have their own threads, back when this still was a great forum. Now threads are popping up like mushrooms for guys who barely finished a professional race. Heck, there's a goddamn "rider thread directory" stickied to track down if nobody X already has a thread (no idea why this was approved as a good idea, since that only opened the door for more). Meanwhile race threads that are actually relevant are merging in other, existing threads.

Btw, nothing personal, you didn't start this. It already did quite some time ago.
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27 Jan 2017 10:38

https://taogeogheganhart.com/about/
Seems to like to refer to himself in the third person, or who's writing this?
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27 Jan 2017 11:56

Flamin wrote:When is someone going to stop this outrage? Only the top cream of cycling used to have their own threads, back when this still was a great forum. Now threads are popping up like mushrooms for guys who barely finished a professional race. Heck, there's a goddamn "rider thread directory" stickied to track down if nobody X already has a thread (no idea why this was approved as a good idea, since that only opened the door for more). Meanwhile race threads that are actually relevant are merging in other, existing threads.

Btw, nothing personal, you didn't start this. It already did quite some time ago.


Ordinarily I wouldn't have. I enjoyed reading his blog posts ... well written and a good insight into the life of a neo-pro. I was going to just post a link but thought I might as well give him a thread. I reckon he will earn it this year anyway. No outrage was intended.
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27 Jan 2017 12:12

armchairclimber wrote:
Flamin wrote:When is someone going to stop this outrage? Only the top cream of cycling used to have their own threads, back when this still was a great forum. Now threads are popping up like mushrooms for guys who barely finished a professional race. Heck, there's a goddamn "rider thread directory" stickied to track down if nobody X already has a thread (no idea why this was approved as a good idea, since that only opened the door for more). Meanwhile race threads that are actually relevant are merging in other, existing threads.

Btw, nothing personal, you didn't start this. It already did quite some time ago.


Ordinarily I wouldn't have. I enjoyed reading his blog posts ... well written and a good insight into the life of a neo-pro. I was going to just post a link but thought I might as well give him a thread. I reckon he will earn it this year anyway. No outrage was intended.


Yeah I know, like I said, nothing personal because you're living up to the new standard of the forum that every rider gets his own thread. So that's perfectly fine. I'm also sure it's an interesting read.

It's just a general message that I don't understand why exactly this has become the new standard.
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27 Jan 2017 15:48

Finished 4th in Majorca today if that helps :)
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30 Jan 2017 09:19

I haven't seen Hart race but looking at results I'm struggling to see what the fuss is about. Brits are talking as if he's the second coming of Merckx but Hart isn't even their best young rider ATM :confused:
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30 Jan 2017 11:45

42x16ss wrote:I haven't seen Hart race but looking at results I'm struggling to see what the fuss is about. Brits are talking as if he's the second coming of Merckx but Hart isn't even their best young rider ATM :confused:


Have to agree, his results in the under 23's and juniors were solid enough but hasn't set the world alight. He looks like he'll make a solid pro but has had some unwarranted hype attached to him.
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30 Jan 2017 12:01

42x16ss wrote:I haven't seen Hart race but looking at results I'm struggling to see what the fuss is about. Brits are talking as if he's the second coming of Merckx but Hart isn't even their best young rider ATM :confused:


Agree - Think Doull is a better prospect.
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30 Jan 2017 19:39

I have no idea. I only noticed him early last year. What I like is that he seems to have something about him. To have the self belief to go and get in the shake up in his first race for Sky .... and to actually be disappointed that he didn't podium .... I like that. Sometimes you need more than just pure ability .... especially in a team like Sky, where you could easily be overawed by the company.
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30 Jan 2017 20:56

yaco wrote:
42x16ss wrote:I haven't seen Hart race but looking at results I'm struggling to see what the fuss is about. Brits are talking as if he's the second coming of Merckx but Hart isn't even their best young rider ATM :confused:


Agree - Think Doull is a better prospect.

Carthy as well. Having said that, I'll keep an eye on Hart going forward.

Can he climb? If so that may be a reason for solid but unspectacular U23 results.
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30 Jan 2017 22:15

Ok, since there is some interest in this topic after all, I think Tao would appreciate if his name was spelled correctly in the thread title...
For me the most important question about him right now is: how to really correctly pronounce his name? Once that is sorted out he can start dominating pro cycling as far as I am concerned.
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30 Jan 2017 22:44

42x16ss wrote:
yaco wrote:
42x16ss wrote:I haven't seen Hart race but looking at results I'm struggling to see what the fuss is about. Brits are talking as if he's the second coming of Merckx but Hart isn't even their best young rider ATM :confused:


Agree - Think Doull is a better prospect.

Carthy as well. Having said that, I'll keep an eye on Hart going forward.

Can he climb? If so that may be a reason for solid but unspectacular U23 results.


Might have to do with Tao having less chance to shine in Europe, coming from Axel's team. Not to mention AXEON rarely designates a leader for a race, he's never had full team support. That said, they're different riders, but I also think Carthy has the brighter future ahead of him. Tao's skillset seems a bit all over the place.
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31 Jan 2017 12:17

PeterB wrote:Ok, since there is some interest in this topic after all, I think Tao would appreciate if his name was spelled correctly in the thread title...
For me the most important question about him right now is: how to really correctly pronounce his name? Once that is sorted out he can start dominating pro cycling as far as I am concerned.


In Ireland, Geoghegan is a fairly common name. It is pronounced somewhere between "Gay-gun" and "Gay-gan".


So rhyming with Ronald Reagan.
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01 Feb 2017 17:52

Thanks for clarifying, glad to hear that pronounciation is actually much simpler than the written form suggests.
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01 Feb 2017 19:37

PeterB wrote:Thanks for clarifying, glad to hear that pronounciation is actually much simpler than the written form suggests.


Irish names are notorious for having spellings that have little relationship to pronunciation (from the point of view of monoglot anglophones).

There are three basic reasons for this. One is that the historical development of the spelling of Irish preserved an unusual number of letters that had ceased to be pronounced, even after a rather incomplete spelling reform effort in the middle of the 20th Century. The second is the role of the letter h, which is less a letter in its own right than a replacement for a diacritic. Where a h now appears, there used to be in most instances an "overdot" over the previous consonant, indicating as the h does now that the letter is aspirated or softened often to the point of being effectively omitted. The third is that there are different rules for pronouncing vowels.

The easiest rule of thumb when trying to pronounce an Irish language name (or a lightly anglicised Irish language name like Geoghegan) is to ignore any consonants with a h after them. You may still get the vowel sounds wrong, but you will at least get the right number of syllables.

It used to be considerably trickier to work out how an Irish word was pronounced. For example the word "beiriu", used to be spelled "beirbhiughadh".
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01 Feb 2017 21:00

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
PeterB wrote:Thanks for clarifying, glad to hear that pronounciation is actually much simpler than the written form suggests.


...

It used to be considerably trickier to work out how an Irish word was pronounced. For example the word "beiriu", used to be spelled "beirbhiughadh".


Sounds like the language of Satan to me.
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01 Feb 2017 21:18

PeterB wrote:Ok, since there is some interest in this topic after all, I think Tao would appreciate if his name was spelled correctly in the thread title...
For me the most important question about him right now is: how to really correctly pronounce his name? Once that is sorted out he can start dominating pro cycling as far as I am concerned.

Tay-o Gee-ow-gan- Hart
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01 Feb 2017 21:38

BigMac wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:
PeterB wrote:Thanks for clarifying, glad to hear that pronounciation is actually much simpler than the written form suggests.


...

It used to be considerably trickier to work out how an Irish word was pronounced. For example the word "beiriu", used to be spelled "beirbhiughadh".


Sounds like the language of Satan to me.


It's quite a straightforward language in its spoken form, at least as compared to English. It's just not obvious to non-speakers how pronunciation is connected to spelling.

Outside of the small predominantly Irish speaking (Gaeltacht) areas and Irish language schools, its main day to day usage is as an unbreakable code when around non-Irish people. You'd have to be really spectacularly unlucky for anyone other than another Irish person, someone from the Scottish Gàidhealtachd (note Scottish Gaelic's less reformed spelling!) or a Manx language enthusiast to understand you. It's just not close enough to other languages, even Welsh or Breton, for anyone else to work out.

Anyway, there's pretty much zero chance that Tao Geoghegan Hart knows much of it beyond his name. For that matter, it's unlikely that most of the actually Irish registered pros speak it either as Martin, Brammeier and Mullen weren't educated in Ireland, Irvine's from the North and Roche only spent part of his schooldays in Ireland (and so probably didn't have compulsory Irish exams).
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01 Feb 2017 22:27

lemon cheese cake wrote:
PeterB wrote:Ok, since there is some interest in this topic after all, I think Tao would appreciate if his name was spelled correctly in the thread title...
For me the most important question about him right now is: how to really correctly pronounce his name? Once that is sorted out he can start dominating pro cycling as far as I am concerned.

Tay-o Gee-ow-gan- Hart


Are you sure? That's not how Geoghegan is usually pronounced. Of course, he wouldn't be the first person of Irish stock to amend pronunciation of their name when living outside the auld sod.
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