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Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Future

15 Mar 2017 01:20

General discussion of Aussie riders, particularly those without the profile for their own thread.

Aussies listed to start MSR:

M Scotson (BMC) < Big race for a Neo?
S Clarke (CDT)
C Ewan (ORS)
M Hayman (ORS)
S Gerrans (ORS)
M Matthews (SUN) < Might be a chance

Volta Ciclista a Catalunya
R Dennis (BMC)
D Howson (ORS)
A Edmondson (ORS)
B Canty (CDT) < Watching with interest
C Hamilton (SUN)
N Haas (DDD)
L Morton (DDD)
J McCarthy (BOH)
N Shultz (Caja)
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 03:45

Produce way better cyclists then the Colombian and Portuguese love affair on here but I notice a lot of people hate or dislike them.
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 04:41

Jack Haig has started the season really well, he is also a discuss talent for sure. I really expect him to ride Vuelta Catalunya, or else I don’t understand the Orica management quite frankly.

I like the look of Brendan Canty´s schedule as well. Catalunya, GP Miguel Indurain, Branbantse Pijl, Amstel Gold and Fleche Wallonne several punchy races which should suit his rider-repertoire perfectly!
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 08:25

Scarponi wrote:Produce way better cyclists then the Colombian and Portuguese love affair on here but I notice a lot of people hate or dislike them.


That's expected. Sports is a massively more important thing in australian society than any other, so they produce better athletes than most countries in most sports. Just like finland produce a lot of good heavy metal musicians, sheer quantity.

Colombian love affair? Debatable, but maybe. Portuguese love affair? No, just an oddly high number of portuguese posters around here

I don't see any hate for australian cyclists in general. I see a lot of dislike for specific individuals like Gerrans and Matthews for riding every race like cowards, but that's about it. Others like Adam Hansen get a lot of consistent praise. In any large group of people like "australian professional cyclists" you're going to have both people who are liked and people who are disliked
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 08:41

Thread headline suggests we may also talk about Aussie past riders but I don't see too much of that in posts. :o
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 08:50

swuzzlebubble wrote:General discussion of Aussie riders, particularly those without the profile for their own thread.

Volta Ciclista a Catalunya
R Dennis (BMC)
D Howson (ORS)
A Edmondson (ORS)
B Canty (CDT) < Watching with interest
C Hamilton (SUN)
N Haas (DDD)
L Morton (DDD)
J McCarthy (BOH)
N Shultz (Caja)


I'm definitely interested in seeing how Canty goes at Catalunya too. I assume he's in support of Carty and Talansky though and you might not see that much.
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 09:13

Echoes wrote:Thread headline suggests we may also talk about Aussie past riders but I don't see too much of that in posts. :o
Gerro got a mention ;)
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 09:27

Scarponi wrote:Produce way better cyclists then the Colombian and Portuguese love affair on here but I notice a lot of people hate or dislike them.


Oh... I dunno. I can name a few Colombians doing pretty well. :p

Echoes wrote:Thread headline suggests we may also talk about Aussie past riders but I don't see too much of that in posts. :o


Also, wouldn't present indicate present riders in general, rather than simply riders who'll happen to take part in the upcoming races?
Though... how are we gonna talk about future riders? We don't know anything about future riders, because they aren't riders yet.
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 11:50

Echoes wrote:Thread headline suggests we may also talk about Aussie past riders but I don't see too much of that in posts. :o


You say this after only 3 posts? The day and the thread is young.
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15 Mar 2017 12:01

Gerrans could have a good chance at MSR too, his sprint seems to have improved over the last few years. I'm wondering if Edmonson will ride the cobbled races too, if so Catalunya seems to be an odd race for him (even though there is a TTT and he has to gain mountainous endurance somewhere).
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 13:14

Angliru wrote:You say this after only 3 posts? The day and the thread is young.


After one post was enough. Since there's no mention of past riders in the OP I may logically ask the question whether discussions about past great Australian riders do belong here given the fact that I would rather talk about them than about current riders...
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15 Mar 2017 13:17

I think we're supposed to be the ones talking about the riders. After all; listing all past and present Aussie pros would be quite a feat. And that's not even getting started on those future riders...
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 13:48

Jakob747 wrote:Jack Haig has started the season really well, he is also a discuss talent for sure. I really expect him to ride Vuelta Catalunya, or else I don’t understand the Orica management quite frankly.

I like the look of Brendan Canty´s schedule as well. Catalunya, GP Miguel Indurain, Branbantse Pijl, Amstel Gold and Fleche Wallonne several punchy races which should suit his rider-repertoire perfectly!


Jack Haig is still working his way into race fitness - Will ride Pais Vasco.

Canty as an older cyclist is a gifted climber - Very excited about what he can produce in the next few years - personally think his upcoming schedule sucks - He will be a stage racer.
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 14:02

RedheadDane wrote:
Scarponi wrote:Produce way better cyclists then the Colombian and Portuguese love affair on here but I notice a lot of people hate or dislike them.


Oh... I dunno. I can name a few Colombians doing pretty well. :p

Echoes wrote:Thread headline suggests we may also talk about Aussie past riders but I don't see too much of that in posts. :o


Also, wouldn't present indicate present riders in general, rather than simply riders who'll happen to take part in the upcoming races?
Though... how are we gonna talk about future riders? We don't know anything about future riders, because they aren't riders yet.


I'll help you with future riders - Australia had a bit of lull with new WT riders in the last 2 or 3 years - The next 2 or 3 years should see the introduction of quality Aussie cyclists

- Chris Hamilton
- Mitchell Storer
- Jai Hindley
- Robert Stannard
- Samuel Jenner
- Cyrus Monk
- Ashley Porter ( if they get him off the track )
- Callum Scotson

About half of these riders are climber types and may end up being GC riders - Australia last year won the Teams GC at L'Avenir, as well as winning a stage and having 2 in the top 10 - Potentially this could be a golden 2 or 3 years for Australian road cycling.
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15 Mar 2017 14:05

greenedge wrote:Gerrans could have a good chance at MSR too, his sprint seems to have improved over the last few years. I'm wondering if Edmonson will ride the cobbled races too, if so Catalunya seems to be an odd race for him (even though there is a TTT and he has to gain mountainous endurance somewhere).


Gerrans will be the back up protected rider like in 2012 when he won MSR - Remember Goss was the protected rider in 2012 - Orica seems to think Edmondson will be a Ronde Vlaaanderen rider, though I've seen nothing to indicate this in his riding - Orica expect a podium from A.Yates at Catalunya - This will be supported by a strong TT squad in the 41km TTT.
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 15:06

Echoes wrote:
Angliru wrote:You say this after only 3 posts? The day and the thread is young.


After one post was enough. Since there's no mention of past riders in the OP I may logically ask the question whether discussions about past great Australian riders do belong here given the fact that I would rather talk about them than about current riders...


Honestly, couldn't you have contributed an in depth post about the great Aussie riders of the past to get things started since that is the area of the discussion that you saw being neglected? I know that based on your posting history, you have the knowledge to share. You would be sharing your wealth of knowledge with those, like my self that only can go back as far as Phil Anderson's era.
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15 Mar 2017 16:22

Let me help

- Phil Andersen is criminally under-rated in Australia - Seriously struggles to make the top 10 best riders of all time in Australia - The only rider who I have ahead of Andersen is Evans ( This assessment is Aussie riders who have made it in Europe). Always thought Gilbert had a similar his riding style.

- Going back around 90 years, Hubert Oppermann was a fantastic rider with a glittering palmares. Russell Mockridge was a gifted who tragically had his career cut short by a fatal crash in a race around 60 years ago.

- McEwan must be rated highly with his record in sprints at the TDF and The Giro.
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 19:11

yaco wrote:
Jakob747 wrote:Jack Haig has started the season really well, he is also a discuss talent for sure. I really expect him to ride Vuelta Catalunya, or else I don’t understand the Orica management quite frankly.

I like the look of Brendan Canty´s schedule as well. Catalunya, GP Miguel Indurain, Branbantse Pijl, Amstel Gold and Fleche Wallonne several punchy races which should suit his rider-repertoire perfectly!


Jack Haig is still working his way into race fitness - Will ride Pais Vasco.

Canty as an older cyclist is a gifted climber - Very excited about what he can produce in the next few years - personally think his upcoming schedule sucks - He will be a stage racer.


I wouldn't say he's an older cyclist only turning 25 in January this year but I guess he's a late comer to the pro peloton. You are dead wrong about his schedule, he had a health set back in Oz which is why he was late to start in Europe but either way his races next up are great. While he does look like a stage racer he has plenty of scope to do well in punchy one day races, I don't think he'll be top shelf but could see him doing well in lesser one day races.
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Re: Aussie Riders in the Pro Peloton - Past, Present & Futur

15 Mar 2017 20:02

yaco wrote:
RedheadDane wrote:
Scarponi wrote:Produce way better cyclists then the Colombian and Portuguese love affair on here but I notice a lot of people hate or dislike them.


Oh... I dunno. I can name a few Colombians doing pretty well. :p

Echoes wrote:Thread headline suggests we may also talk about Aussie past riders but I don't see too much of that in posts. :o


Also, wouldn't present indicate present riders in general, rather than simply riders who'll happen to take part in the upcoming races?
Though... how are we gonna talk about future riders? We don't know anything about future riders, because they aren't riders yet.


I'll help you with future riders - Australia had a bit of lull with new WT riders in the last 2 or 3 years - The next 2 or 3 years should see the introduction of quality Aussie cyclists

- Chris Hamilton
- Mitchell Storer
- Jai Hindley
- Robert Stannard
- Samuel Jenner
- Cyrus Monk
- Ashley Porter ( if they get him off the track )
- Callum Scotson

About half of these riders are climber types and may end up being GC riders - Australia last year won the Teams GC at L'Avenir, as well as winning a stage and having 2 in the top 10 - Potentially this could be a golden 2 or 3 years for Australian road cycling.


But those are already riders, making them not future-riders.
Okay, the OP does say "In the Pro Peloton"... :p
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15 Mar 2017 20:53

yaco wrote:Let me help

- Phil Andersen is criminally under-rated in Australia - Seriously struggles to make the top 10 best riders of all time in Australia - The only rider who I have ahead of Andersen is Evans ( This assessment is Aussie riders who have made it in Europe). Always thought Gilbert had a similar his riding style.

- Going back around 90 years, Hubert Oppermann was a fantastic rider with a glittering palmares. Russell Mockridge was a gifted who tragically had his career cut short by a fatal crash in a race around 60 years ago.

- McEwan must be rated highly with his record in sprints at the TDF and The Giro.

Let's get Don Allan in there too, first Aussie to win a stage at the Peace Race, a rolling stage into Kielce in 1973 before turning pro. His career is neatly bookended by two terrible crashes that injured his spine and pelvis.
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