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Giro 2017, stage 11: Ponte a Ema – Bagno di Romagna 161 km

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17 May 2017 19:07

Do not think 7% climbs are a weakness for dumoulin. However any multitude of climbs and a severe attack by movistar is another thing.
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17 May 2017 19:11

Libertine Seguros wrote:
Mayomaniac wrote:
WheelofGear wrote:Is it just me or is Dumoulin actually better on the very steep climbs (at 9%+ like Blockhaus) than the hard but not brutal climbs (at 7-8% like Oropa)?

He is an odd rider. I actually think Quintana will be able to do better on Oropa than Blockhaus.

A bit like a Dutch Mauri Melcior.
Yeah, the Oropa stage should be longer or have another climb at the start and the Lombardia stage should be a proper Lombardia stage.

The weirdest thing with Mauri was that he was fine on the inconsistent and steep stuff in Asturias and Cantabria, but absolutely dreck at getting a good rhythm going on the low to mid gradient climbs that normally suit riders such as him (as evidenced by tempo climbers like Nozal in later years). The reason that's strange is that all of those climbs in that Vuelta were in Catalunya, his home region.

Yes, nobody understands the Mauri thing, he was the cycling version of the Voynich manuscript.
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17 May 2017 19:12

Valv.Piti wrote:Damn the next 4 stages are underwhelming. After 4 days of good racing, we can expect a couple of very dull ones. Even Oropa and Bergamo are flat for the most part.... they could definitely have done a better job there.

I've realised a couple of days ago that the whole route is much more underwhelming than I inidially thought. Not many stages suited for long-range attacks and tactical moves.
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17 May 2017 19:16

WheelofGear wrote:
Climbing wrote:Apart from SK and GT I think Mollema was a bit in difficulty when Nibali accelerated.
TD didn't look particularly sharp, mouth open and heavy breathing, but maybe that was just an impression.
Yates didn't look brilliant either.

Anyway big chapeau for Fraile, impressive and very well deserved.


Who looked great then? :D


Narito and Pinot
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17 May 2017 19:39

Carols wrote:
WheelofGear wrote:
Climbing wrote:Apart from SK and GT I think Mollema was a bit in difficulty when Nibali accelerated.
TD didn't look particularly sharp, mouth open and heavy breathing, but maybe that was just an impression.
Yates didn't look brilliant either.

Anyway big chapeau for Fraile, impressive and very well deserved.


Who looked great then? :D


Narito and Pinot

Those for sure.
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17 May 2017 19:54

Asero831 wrote:
markene2 wrote:Man Fraile super strong!



Or the competition too weak?


Really? Amador and Kangert are top 10 in this race currently. Rui Costa is a breakaway beast, Visconti is also breakaway master. Cataldo was there, Hermans, Rolland..., all great riders. Not to mention one and only Mikel Landa, successor of Pantani :p . I would say he was super strong.
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17 May 2017 20:10

yaco wrote:
Singer01 wrote:Thomas could have lost a lot more, couple of days to recover now, i can't believe people think deignan shouldn't be called back.


Of course Deignan should have been called back when Thomas is off the back of the Pink Jersey group.


Deignan is at this point a career domestique and I'm sure he expects to be called back to help his team leader.

That said, there comes a point when you have to start wondering about whether there should still be a team GC leader. That point for some may quite reasonably come when the original leader is a couple of minutes outside the GC top 10 is in the process of getting dropped by twenty guys on a medium mountain stage and is quite possibly carrying injuries. What exactly are they supposed to be aiming for with Thomas at this point? That he scrapes into 9th or something? How many minutes behind a meaningful GC place does he have to be before a team decides it's all for stage victories now?
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17 May 2017 20:29

Ouch, the main grupetto came in at 26 minutes, but 6 out of 9 Wilier riders were in the small group at 31 minutes (along with Ewan, among others).
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17 May 2017 20:32

shalgo wrote:Ouch, the main grupetto came in at 26 minutes, but 6 out of 9 Wilier riders were in the small group at 31 minutes (along with Ewan, among others).

They had team orders to help Mareczko, so that he wouldn't end up OTL.
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17 May 2017 20:58

Anderis wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:Damn the next 4 stages are underwhelming. After 4 days of good racing, we can expect a couple of very dull ones. Even Oropa and Bergamo are flat for the most part.... they could definitely have done a better job there.

I've realised a couple of days ago that the whole route is much more underwhelming than I inidially thought. Not many stages suited for long-range attacks and tactical moves.

There was today, queen stage to Bormio, dolomite-stage and potentially the stage to Foza with Grappa, but thats only if they go bananas and even then, i dno. Otherwise, this Giro is pretty straught forward, way too many flat roads.
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17 May 2017 21:17

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
yaco wrote:
Singer01 wrote:Thomas could have lost a lot more, couple of days to recover now, i can't believe people think deignan shouldn't be called back.


Of course Deignan should have been called back when Thomas is off the back of the Pink Jersey group.


Deignan is at this point a career domestique and I'm sure he expects to be called back to help his team leader.

That said, there comes a point when you have to start wondering about whether there should still be a team GC leader. That point for some may quite reasonably come when the original leader is a couple of minutes outside the GC top 10 is in the process of getting dropped by twenty guys on a medium mountain stage and is quite possibly carrying injuries. What exactly are they supposed to be aiming for with Thomas at this point? That he scrapes into 9th or something? How many minutes behind a meaningful GC place does he have to be before a team decides it's all for stage victories now?

Pointless trying to bring logic into it when it's Sky making the decisions
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17 May 2017 21:26

Just love to see (almost) everyone underestimating dumoulin.
Quintana is clearly waiting for stage 16. Why did movistar put 3 riders in the front of the race? Quintana didn't do anything. Is such a shame seeing a guy who is so talented in climbs (but pretty average in time trials, windy stages,etc), not having the charisma, the guts, the SPARK to go ballistic in a stage like today. Everything was in his favour in the beggining of the stage.
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17 May 2017 21:51

Valv.Piti wrote:There was today, queen stage to Bormio, dolomite-stage and potentially the stage to Foza with Grappa, but thats only if they go bananas and even then, i dno. Otherwise, this Giro is pretty straught forward, way too many flat roads.
Unless Quintana is solidly in pink by then, the stage to Foza will be proper raced, IMHO.
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17 May 2017 22:13

Chapeau Fraile! :) (we need a chapeau emoji/smily!)
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Landa's attack seems to have been a test for condition only - though G might well have hoped to bridge over to him if G could attack. Sky seem to be in chaos.
Movistar have managed to get Sky's double GC contenders - Pinot, Nibs etc all need to be in front of Tom D before the last stage, so it'll be full gas over the lumpy bits - good TV-viewing! :)

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18 May 2017 17:37

staubsauger wrote:Foliforov, Hirt & Dombrowski still have been nowhere so far. What's their excuse?

Regarding Hirt - team doesn't wish team to take part in any attack so far. I have no clue about the other two.
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