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30 Aug 2017 08:08

Chrispol wrote:
TromleTromle wrote:
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Red Rick wrote:The Asiago stage was pretty well designed. Other side of Grappa and you have an epic stage

Yeah, but they didn't use that side and therefore made complete crap. It's like saying a MTT up Fedaia from the west side is well designed because it would be epic if they had used the other side.


I think it was a great stage. The climb was not super selective so it made sense to work together in groups. And the false flat pursuit was exciting!

NOTHING would have happened before Foza however you design it - the guys were full stop empty!


Hum, not true I'd say.

Katusha worked a lot in front, and their acceleration was violent, they almost cracked Dumoulin at a point, but this side of Monte Grappa have too much flat between the up sections.

Give them some double digit gradients and the peloton would have been totally shattered.

EDIT : Ok Red Rick saying exactly the same think a few minutes ago, be concise Chrispol. :o


Or would have prevented anyone from doing anything at all - we can only guess - and be subjective :)
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Re: Re:

30 Aug 2017 10:59

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Gigs_98 wrote:On another note, do I understand it right that Sestriere might be Cima Coppi (if they pass it in the Jafferau stage)? Because that must be the lamest Cima Coppi since its invention.

Finestre is higher...

Cervinia could be Cima Coppi if they added the 2kms of sterrato at ~ 10% you mentioned. I suppose it would be close.
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30 Aug 2017 11:05

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Gigs_98 wrote:So the rumors suggest they will also climb Finestre? Didn't know that but that at least upgrades this stage a lot.

Dude this is from almost one month ago! :p You haven't been paying attention :(

I looked back a few pages and saw that I even commented the finestre rumor and compared the stage to the 2016 rissoul stage. I feel a bit stupid now :o
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Re: Re:

30 Aug 2017 11:59

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:
Eshnar wrote:
Gigs_98 wrote:On another note, do I understand it right that Sestriere might be Cima Coppi (if they pass it in the Jafferau stage)? Because that must be the lamest Cima Coppi since its invention.

Finestre is higher...

Cervinia could be Cima Coppi if they added the 2kms of sterrato at ~ 10% you mentioned. I suppose it would be close.

It would be by looks of things - 2km at 10% means 200m elev. gain, Cervinia is normally 2001, which means we're talking ±2200m, whilst Finestre is 2178m
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31 Aug 2017 08:04

mikii4567 wrote:It would be by looks of things - 2km at 10% means 200m elev. gain, Cervinia is normally 2001, which means we're talking ±2200m, whilst Finestre is 2178m

yes, it would be at ~2190m. This fact alone tells me they're not gonna do it :p
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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31 Aug 2017 20:22

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Forever The Best wrote:Is there any chances of stage 18 using Sampeyre and Fauniera?

Sampeyre, 0%
Fauniera, 5% because I'm optimistic.

:o
Thanks Eshnar. Bad news then. Pratonevoso is lame compared to Sampeyre-Fauniera combo.
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31 Aug 2017 20:27

Isn't one side of Sampeyre (I think it's the Elva side of the climb) closed to traffic because of landslides?
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Re: Re:

01 Sep 2017 09:06

Eshnar wrote:
mikii4567 wrote:It would be by looks of things - 2km at 10% means 200m elev. gain, Cervinia is normally 2001, which means we're talking ±2200m, whilst Finestre is 2178m

yes, it would be at ~2190m. This fact alone tells me they're not gonna do it :p
What do you mean? I hope you're not implying that that would somehow be beneath RCS. They only care about $$$$$$$$$$$$ anymore, IMO.

I think it depends on how bad Cervinia wants it. If they don't particularly care, then no, probably not. But otherwise...
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01 Sep 2017 09:42

18-Valve. (pithy) wrote:
Eshnar wrote:
mikii4567 wrote:It would be by looks of things - 2km at 10% means 200m elev. gain, Cervinia is normally 2001, which means we're talking ±2200m, whilst Finestre is 2178m

yes, it would be at ~2190m. This fact alone tells me they're not gonna do it :p
What do you mean? I hope you're not implying that that would somehow be beneath RCS. They only care about $$$$$$$$$$$$ anymore, IMO.

I think it depends on how bad Cervinia wants it. If they don't particularly care, then no, probably not. But otherwise...

well I did mean that. Unless Vegni has sold his soul to the Devil for good I can't see him doing it. He didn't even put the Cima Coppi on the Bonette in 2016.
A race that doesn't give an attacker the chance to finish it off alone is not a race anymore.


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01 Sep 2017 12:58

btw, according to locals, the route to Cervinia should be pretty much the same as the 1997 stage, with Champremiere and St.Panthaleon.
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01 Sep 2017 13:12

Eshnar wrote:btw, according to locals, the route to Cervinia should be pretty much the same as the 1997 stage, with Champremiere and St.Panthaleon.


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01 Sep 2017 13:14

Eshnar wrote:btw, according to locals, the route to Cervinia should be pretty much the same as the 1997 stage, with Champremiere and St.Panthaleon.
That stage went up to 2100m followed by a 2km descent at ~ 5% to the finish line, it seems.

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01 Sep 2017 13:18

that is true, they took a secondary road to some kind of resort a bit above the valley and then descended to town. It's not related to the rumoured finish of this year, tho.
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01 Sep 2017 13:19

Eshnar wrote:that is true, they took a secondary road to some kind of resort a bit above the valley and then descended to town. It's not related to the rumoured finish of this year, tho.
Okay, thanks.
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09 Sep 2017 13:04

The Mayor of Mercogliano declared that the Giro should go to Montevergine in 2018 :o... I assume it'll be stage 8. Also, the presentation of the Giro start is set to be on September 18 in... Jerusalem. Wonder if this confirms something :lol:

1-3 Israel

4 Catania-Caltagirone
5 Agrigento-Santa Ninfa(Valle del Belice)
6 Caltanissetta-Etna(Osservatorio Astrofisico)
7 Tropea? - Scalea
8 Scalea? - Montevergine
9 ??? - Francavilla?

10 Francavilla? - Gualdo Tadino
11 Rimini - S.Marino OR Fano - Iesi (both ITT)
12 ??? - Vicenza?
13 ??? - Vittorio Veneto?
14 S.Vendemiano? - Zoncolan
15 Tolmezzo - Sappada

16 Trento - Rovereto ITT
17 ???
18 ??? - Prato Nevoso (or surroundings)
19 Busca - Monte Jafferau
20 Susa? - Cervinia
21 ??? - Roma
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09 Sep 2017 13:06

Eshnar wrote:The Mayor of Mercogliano declared that the Giro should go to Montevergine in 2018 :o... I assume it'll be stage 8.

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09 Sep 2017 17:58

If it's a crap route do you reckon we can do a crowdfunding and pay RCS enough to let us design next year's race
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09 Sep 2017 18:01

Brullnux wrote:If it's a crap route do you reckon we can do a crowdfunding and pay RCS enough to let us design next year's race

Honestly, they'd probably be ok with it, if the money was right.
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09 Sep 2017 18:03

Mayomaniac wrote:
Brullnux wrote:If it's a crap route do you reckon we can do a crowdfunding and pay RCS enough to let us design next year's race

Honestly, they'd probably be ok with it, if the money was right.

I've honestly wondered at times if were possible for a GT to try and auction off a stage design. Especially if they give you the starting place.
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09 Sep 2017 18:23

Mayomaniac wrote:
Brullnux wrote:If it's a crap route do you reckon we can do a crowdfunding and pay RCS enough to let us design next year's race

Honestly, they'd probably be ok with it, if the money was right.

Awesome. There's almost 100,000 people on this forum so if everyone commits $5 we can get to half a million and surely that'd be enough. It will be a bit of a waste of money but the route will be top notch.
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