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27 Sep 2018 11:36

Red Rick wrote:
tobydawq wrote:
Red Rick wrote:
tobydawq wrote:
Red Rick wrote:Van Avermaet has made it to the first group in Ans once and got wrecked on the final hill.
Matthews couldn't finish s.t. as the winner in the sprint in Ans.


Sagan has shown he can do one 3 minute effort and be near the best. But he can't do 5 in one race.


How many steep 20% walls did they cover in the last 30 kilometres in the stage he won in Tirreno last year? 5, 6 or 7 or something like that?

3, or something.

After only 200km, with only 30km that were hard, and he almost lost the sprint to Thibaut Pinot.

And then he was good in MSR and nowhere in the rest of the monuments.


Yeah, no, it was 6, he was nowhere near losing the sprint to Pinot, and he punctured out of an attack two times in Roubaix. If that's nowhere, then we're just not speaking the same language.

And what's your point, by the way? Now he isn't even good enough to be competitive in Flanders and Roubaix, either?

My point is that Sagan is the favorite on most routes cause they're almost all the freaking same and not because Sagan can magically do everything.


Oh, I thought he was a versatile and good rider. Thanks for clarifying what's really up...

I mean, certainly Paris-Roubaix, De Brabantse Pijl, the Doha Worlds, the Richmond Worlds, Gent-Wevelgem, the Tour of California GC, the Tirreno stages 2017 and 2013, the Tour de Suisse 2011 Grindelwald stage, De Ronde, every punchy Tour stage and the Tour de Suisse prologue is totally the same.
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27 Sep 2018 11:42

Sagan wasn't favorite in Doha
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27 Sep 2018 15:09

Pricey_sky wrote:Veloviewer have mapped the final circuit. Looks slightly harder than the profiles released last night.


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The double digit ramps are still less than 100 m. The course is too hard for pure sprinters but not it's not a puncheur course.

Types like Colbrelli, Roosen, Trentin, Cort, Drucker, Dupont, Coquard, Pasqualon even Laporte and Demare could win it.
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27 Sep 2018 17:31

Sagan is usually a favorite for any race he enters for the same rason Valverde is almost always a favorite for any race he enters. They are both versatile and both have skill sets that very few other riders could even dream of having AND they both race to win every time they enter a race.
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20 Oct 2018 06:22

Ewan vs Mathews
EBH vs Kristoff
Demare vs Ala

And Belgium and Netherlands do not have one designated leader
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20 Oct 2018 07:05

del1962 wrote:Sagan wasn't favorite in Doha

Outright favourite? No, of course not.

But everyone knew he had a realistic chance though.
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20 Oct 2018 08:26

When I think about it, I doubt it will be a reduced sprint. Mostly because of the nature of Sagan (who could wait if he wanted to) and the fact that riders like Alaphillipe, Kwiatkowski, GVA can't solely rely on their sprint. They can't gamble on a sprint against Colbrelli and co.

There are also dangerous rouleurs like Valgren and Terpstra who you just can't let go.

Harlow Moor is an actual hill. 6% for over 1 km. I'm sure Sagan will launch his attack there.
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